Allen Iverson thread - DAY TWO

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NOTE: I've moved this article, which summarizes pretty well what did and didn't happen today, to start a new thread. That way, hopefully, we won't end up with the world's longest thread that no one ever reads. -- VF21

Sources: Iverson nixes trade to Bobcats
Indiana, Boston, Minnesota and Sacramento are among the teams still in the mix, according to sources.

BY DAVID ALDRIDGE
The Philadelphia Inquirer
December 11, 2006, 10:42 PM EST
PHILADELPHIA -- For a while Monday, the Philadelphia 76ers were close to solving their Allen Iverson problem.

The Sixers, according to a source, were close to sending Iverson to the Charlotte Bobcats for a package of players Monday afternoon. But Iverson indicated his displeasure with being sent to the Bobcats -- the league's newest team, having begun play in 2004 -- and the deal died, the source said.

Iverson, a former Bethel High standout, asked to be traded last week, and a source indicated that he didn't care where he was sent. But that apparently did not extend to the Bobcats, who are struggling to draw fans, and who would have difficulty bringing someone to Charlotte who didn't want to be there, and who would likely make that unhappiness known to the public.

With only a little more than $38 million in player salaries -- forward Gerald Wallace is the team's highest-paid player, at just $5.5 million this season -- Charlotte is about $15 million below the league's salary cap of $53.1 million and could make a major player acquisition easier than any team in the league.

The Bobcats also have players with short contracts, which fits the Sixers' desires. Philadelphia wants to trade Iverson for players whose deals expire either this season or after the 2007-08 season, when Chris Webber's contract ends and the Sixers expect to finally get under the salary cap.

Charlotte has a few players who fill that bill: veteran guard Brevin Knight, who makes $4.4 million this season on a contract that expires in 2008; forward Melvin Ely, whose $3.3-million contract ends after this season; forward Othella Harrington (2008, $2.2 million this season); and underrated center Primoz Brezec (2008, $2.75 million this season).

Dealing any or all of those players would not affect the Bobcats' core group: guard Raymond Felton, guard Adam Morrison, forward Sean May or center Emeka Okafor. Wallace, 24, who has become a much-improved player in Charlotte, would be attractive to the Sixers, but he's also part of that core.

At least one team believed the Bobcats were in the driver's seat earlier Monday. "It's Michael (Jordan)'s deal to turn down," said an executive of one team that is involved in the trade discussions, referring to Charlotte's new minority owner. It is uncertain whether the proposed trade can be resurrected.

Meanwhile, Sixers president Billy King continues to sift through other offers. He's keeping those offers extremely close to the vest. One longtime friend of King's, with an NBA team, said King "wasn't telling me a ... thing" about which way he was thinking.

Sources indicate that Indiana, Boston and Minnesota continue to express interest in Iverson, with Denver and Sacramento also in the mix. But in some cases, King would likely have to take a player he wouldn't necessarily want in order to get rid of Iverson. The Pacers, for example, want to rid themselves of swingman Stephen Jackson, who has three years left on his deal. The Timberwolves are shopping guard Ricky Davis.

The Kings seem to be stronger players in the bidding for Iverson than one would think at first glance. A source said Sacramento was discussing a package including guard Mike Bibby and forward Kenny Thomas for Iverson.

Each has connections to Webber: Bibby and Webber led the Kings to the Western Conference finals in 2002; Thomas was part of the package the Sixers traded to Sacramento for Webber in 2005.

But Thomas' contract, which King negotiated, does not expire until after the 2008-09 season.


http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-bobcats.d12,0,1857875.story?coll=dp-news-local-final
 
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Alright! Great Article...keeps Getting Interesting By The Minute!
i agree, it is interesting if nothing else mainly because if i hadn't checked kingsfans the idea of AI coming here would have only been a joke to me. had no idea it was even in the realm of possibility.
 
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I never thought I'd see the day when "stronger players in the bidding for Iverson" and Kenny Thomas were mentioned in the same paragraph.
 

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Look again. It says the KINGS are strong players in the Iverson bidding. It doesn't refer to Kenny Thomas.

;)
 

hrdboild

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I think he meant it was surprising that the Kings would be able to put together a tempting package of players (thus making them strong dealers) and the implication that the enticing package of players includes Kenny Thomas (who we thought was pretty much untradeable during the off-season).
 
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I think it will be either Boston, Minn or Ind with minn getting him. I think they make kings and Denver closer then they really are.
 
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Is it actually possible to send a bibby package to philly for AI then a ron package to minny for KG? that way, we can have a KG+AI combo. hopefully we can keep martin in the with us, but everyone else should be tradeable.
 
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VF21

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Is it actually possible to send a bibby package to philly for AI then a ron package to minny for KG? that way, we can have a KG+AI combo. hopefully we can keep martin in the with us, but everyone else should be tradeable.
Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Erm, no...
 
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I think they make kings and Denver closer then they really are.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump the gun on that one, it feels like a solid legit possibility he could come to town. if nothing else, things in kings land has been rather exciting the past coupla days.
 
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ok say we get A.I. would you trade Kevin Martin for a front court player?
Ok mentioned this in the other thread and most people who replied were against it. They reason I bring tradeing Kevin(eventhough he is my favourite player) is that he will not be nearly as effective with A.I. demanding the ball more. Kevin relies on ball movement. We trade Kevin only to upgrade our front court though.
 
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hrdboild

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If Petrie thinks he can get AI for Bibby and unload Kenny Thomas' massive contract in the process than this is going to be worse for the Sixers than I thought. Especially since Iverson apparently is willing to wield his power with a veto as well. I was thinking KT would be a much better fit at PF than Shareef (defender, rebounder, not much need to score) but I guess if you have a chance to get out of an undesireable contract, you take it regardless. (see Webber deal for example)
 
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Iverson is coming to Sac, and I'll tell you why: The Jersey Theory. A few years ago, I buy a Brock Marion jersey (Pro Bowl safety for the Dolphins). Months later, he was a Detroit Lion. Next, I bought a Ricky Williams jersey, and that worked out swell. Then I buy a Baron Davis Hornets jersey, and within a year he's in the Bay. Last year I nearly bought a Stojakovic jersey, but thought better of it. I was going to buy a Bibby jersey at the beginning of the season b/c I thought he'd have an awesome season in a contract year, but I passed b/c I figured he'd somehow get traded.

Take it to the bank.
 

VF21

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So basically you even thinking about buying a jersey is the kiss of death? Please do NOT consider any of our younger players, okay? I'm not even going to mention names ...

;)
 
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I was thinking KT would be a much better fit at PF than Shareef (defender, rebounder, not much need to score) but I guess if you have a chance to get out of an undesireable contract, you take it regardless. (see Webber deal for example)
I agree with this. I doubt that we will be able to dump KT's contract on them though, our expirables plus Bibby is what this is all about. I am sure that there is a lot of back and forth and I cannot imagine that KT would be the end deal. Besides, he might actually fit in to the potential new starting 5.
 
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I think a deal that my go down between Minn and sixers is: Iverson for Foye (young and takes over the pg spot), Davs (has a year left and takes starting spot while Carney grows), Jaric (could start if Foye is not ready) and Griffin is a filler.

But if for some reason a deal does go down with the kings and sixers there is NO way the sixers do not get the young talent in Martin. They would be doing the same thing as the Lakers did by not getting wade in the shaq deal.
 
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As much as like Bibby I hate to say it but AI is better. He don't have the 3pt range as Bibby does (not this year thought) but defensivly and able to take over a game its interesting to say the least. Kenny Thomas being thrown in is addition by subtraction although I don't want to see a 4/5 rotation of Corlis,Miller, and SAR with Mo thrown in from time to time. I would imagine we would see alot of small ball with Artest playing the PF position. eeekkk. Please GP look at our frontcourt sitiuation as well.
 

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I think a deal that my go down between Minn and sixers is: Iverson for Foye (young and takes over the pg spot), Davs (has a year left and takes starting spot while Carney grows), Jaric (could start if Foye is not ready) and Griffin is a filler.

But if for some reason a deal does go down with the kings and sixers there is NO way the sixers do not get the young talent in Martin. They would be doing the same thing as the Lakers did by not getting wade in the shaq deal.

I don't know about Minn because they are looking at 2 guys taking up all their salary and down the road they will dwindle together and eventually leave. Much like Utah with Malone and Stockton. Utah is still trying to get put back together.
 
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As much as like Bibby I hate to say it but AI is better. He don't have the 3pt range as Bibby does (not this year thought) but defensivly and able to take over a game its interesting to say the least. Kenny Thomas being thrown in is addition by subtraction although I don't want to see a 4/5 rotation of Corlis,Miller, and SAR with Mo thrown in from time to time. I would imagine we would see alot of small ball with Artest playing the PF position. eeekkk. Please GP look at our frontcourt sitiuation as well.
Bibby was never on the same level as Iverson, lol. Iverson is a future hall of famer, one of the top players in the leauge for years now. Players like these gets trade once every two years maybe, first it was Vince, then it was T-mac and Shaq now it Iverson.
 
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I don't know about Minn because they are looking at 2 guys taking up all their salary and down the road they will dwindle together and eventually leave. Much like Utah with Malone and Stockton. Utah is still trying to get put back together.
I don't think many in Minn are worried about the future if Iverson comes to minn. That would make them instant title contenders that inside outside game would be crazy, it would be a way better vision of T-Mac and Yao or even Shaq and kobe. Two MVP's on the same team with some decent role players that team will be fine. And it might take a few years but a team will always come back after their star players leave.

If minn mgmnt doesn't get Iverson, kg tender in Minn would be all for nothing.
 
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The more I read about this I come to the conclusion it's not a Q of "If this trade happens...." it's only a matter of "When..."

(1) King and Petrie are proven partners when it comes to working out blockbuster mega-deals....i.e. Webber for the Philly Trio. They find common ground where other GMs butt heads and egos.

(2) King and and Coach Cheeks have to think about job security...Mike Bibby is a "safe" acquisition compared to some of these other names thrown around like Ricky Davis and Gerald Wallace; when it is time to pull the trigger take the guy who has performed year after year at a high level (current year withstanding) at the most important position on the court; they got to think Mike Bibby will be a lethal weapon when gets over his wrist injury, and he will compliment his teammates more than A.I....and if they think that they are right.

(3) The Maloofs like to gamble. They have to be quietly disgusted with the mediocre display this year. They crave excitement, a buzz in the air a player like A.I. can bring to the library known as Arco. They got to love AI for his competitiveness, relentless energy, and passion to win. They also want to win now, they are not into 3 year plans. And the acquisition of Ron Artest and that payoff so far has got to embolden them to roll the dice again.

The only way this trade doesn't happen is if a team steps up offers a package that include someone Monta Ellis from the Warriors, or Shaun Livingston from the Clips...maybe Randy Foy from the Wolves...if I am those teams I stop overrating my own players.

Lastly, if the Kings are going to include Garcia and a #1 pick, they better at least unload K9 in the process, and his lousy contract (or else we will be strapped when it comes time to re-sign K-Mart); or acquire Steven Hunter (who averages 1.64 blocks in only 17 minutes a game; Hunter has blocked 23 shots this year; Brad Miller, Shareef and K9 have a combined 22 blocks.)

And of course who wouldn't want the other AI (Iguodola); but then you have to trade K-Mart...which doesn't make sense. I like the idea of K-Mart and AI in the same court....their combined quickness and speed in the open court would be awesome.
 
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I like Bibby but this team looks like it did last year pre-Artest. Something needs to be shaken up to get Arco rockin' again.
I don't care about getting Arco rockin as I do about making the team better. That's the root. The team gets better, then Arco rocks. So, what you need to look at is will Iverson truly make this team better or not, then come to your conclusion.
 

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#30
Without question.

That doesn't neessarily mean that Iverson is a better fit for this team, however.

Well to start the season we were running Musselmans motion offense and Kmart thrived in that. Bibby didn't so he asked to change back to the high posting corner offense. Since then we lost 5 straight and Martin hasn't had over 20 since and we don't have fastbreak points anymore except off steals. AI would also thrive in the motion offense. Not to mention maybe the defensive team concept can once again refurbish on the perimeter however the frontcourt still needs vast changing. Philly HAS to unload AI now and Bibby is one of the few trade prospects that gives them a good talent and KT is involved as well maybe GP can give them POT's expiring for Hunter to give us some shtoblocking ability down low to come off the bench for Miller and SAR although is rebounding leaves alot to be desired.