All about the Maloofs (split from Natt thread)

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You can say what you want about Natt, but the next coach better have the full support of the Maloofs, not the back-biting, finger pointing, absentee support, but the "I'm behind the coach 100%" support, regardless of the whining of certain players and their agents, even if one of them is Martin. So, if Martin and the new coach don't get along, the Maloofs need to make a decision to say bye-bye to Martin or whomever. Otherwise, we'll go through through this permissive baby-sitting disempowerment of our new coach, just like we've gone through it with our last three (or should I say four).
 
Care to explain or clarify why you singled out Kevin????????

Yeah, first because he's the one with the lowest actual defense/defense potential ratio on the team; second because he's the #1 guy, and therefore the most politically potent of anyone on the team; third, because with all of the last three coaches I get distinct messages that players agents have influenced management/coaches when issues about Kevins defense comes up. Lastly, the insincerity of Kevin when he talks about his defense is laughable. He wants to go out there, take a ton of shots, not beat up his body, have fun, and play no defense whatsoever. So would it surprise me that a personality type like that makes waves if a coach gets on his A$$ to play some defense? Hell no.
 
Yeah, first because he's the one with the lowest actual defense/defense potential ratio on the team; second because he's the #1 guy, and therefore the most politically potent of anyone on the team; third, because with all of the last three coaches I get distinct messages that players agents have influenced management/coaches when issues about Kevins defense comes up. Lastly, the insincerity of Kevin when he talks about his defense is laughable. He wants to go out there, take a ton of shots, not beat up his body, have fun, and play no defense whatsoever. So would it surprise me that a personality type like that makes waves if a coach gets on his A$$ to play some defense? Hell no.

I have been one of those that have criticized Martin because of his defense. But it is possible that his ankle had something to do with it. At any rate, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until next year. Anyone who has had a bad ankle or groin injury knows that its the quick unexpected movements that cause the most trouble. On offense you know where your going and for the most part there aren't any quick unexpected movements. On defense, not so. Your simply reacting to the other player.

Now if he comes back next year, healthy, and plays defense the same way, then I'm on board with you.
 
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I have been one of those that have criticized Martin because of his defense. But it is possible that his ankle had something to do with it. At any rate, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until next year. Anyone who has had a bad ankle or groin injury knows that its the quick unexpected movements that cause the most trouble. On offense you know where your going and for the most part there aren't any quick unexpected movements. On defense, not so. Your simply reacting to the other player.

Now if he comes back next year, healthy, and plays defense the same way, then I'm on board with you.

Agreed. When I get injured playing basketball it's almost always an ankle injury and it's almost always while I'm playing defense.
 
Cisco talking about Kevin and his defense.

"I think Kevin is going to be an All-Star next year," García said. "When I'd talk to him about (his ankle) this year, he'd say how he couldn't be as quick defensively as he wanted. We talked about it all the time, and he wanted to (play better) and he was really frustrated. Offensively, he could do what he wants, but defensively, he couldn't move laterally because of his ankle. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but that's what it was."

"Everybody is always questioning his defense, but when I first got here (in 2005), me and Kevin was just defense," García said. "I know Kev can play defense, because I've been there with him. He came back early, and everybody could see he was limping on the court. He couldn't even dunk. … He still had his 24 points. What do you expect from a guy like that? He still went out there to compete, and he still was hurt."

source: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1787411.html
 
Cisco talking about Kevin and his defense.





source: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1787411.html


No Cisco isn't making excuses for Kevin -- he's merely passing along Kevin's excuses for himself.

Kevin didn't play any defense last year either. It wasn't the ankle. It was an emerging prima donna. Yeah, in 2005 Kevin was "all defense" or whatever for about the first two months of the season because he wasn't playing and he actually thought he had to work to get on the court. But then Bonzi got hurt, Kevin started scoring, and with all the accolades, guaranteed money, ESPN highlights etc. that scoring brought that whole hard work/defense thing went right out the door. And as Kevin's stamina has never been very good, obviously you have to choose one or the other, either scoring or defense but not both. Just as long as Kevin gets his scoring numbers, Kevin thinks he's doing his job. Its classic megasoft stuff. In football he would be the soft little wide receiver who won't throw a block or go over the middle. In baseball he'd be the slap singles hitter who only drives in 40 RBI a year but makes sure to keep that average over .300. And as long as people keep on making excuses for him, or passing along his own excuses, he has no reason to get much better. Only way to get somebody back once they've headed down that road is to let them know that you are singularly unimpressed and get into their pride.

As an aside, the fact that Kevin showed he could defend when he felt he needed to has long been the part that sticks in the craw with him. Some guys just physically may legitimately never be able to do much on defense. Kevin himself is too weak to ever be a stopper, but he's quick enough that he should at the very least be an impediment and a pest. Unfortunately he is only quick on the side of the ball that matters to him, and only develops a limp when its time to play defense.

To relate that back to the coaching search, while there is no reason why the leading scorer on a 17 win team should have any appreciable power at all, our front office rather ridiculously seemed to hitch their wagon to Kevin several years ago, going so far as to hire his agent as part of the front office. In that kind of setting, how is a coach ever supposed to lay down the law on defense? If you bring in an Avery or a Van Gundy or even an Ettore and they press the issue and Kevin whines, who gets marked out as the bad guy? Natt implied that he felt restricted by his interim status from playing the tough guy -- the implication being that if he did the players would whine and he'd get fired for it. Now that was Natt himself making excuses, but the dynamic is a legitimate concern. There is no reason whatsoever why any player currently on the Kings should have whine power as if he's a superstar, but if one of them does, who can you hire as coach who would have enough power to overcome that? Heard the Wizards made overtures to Pat Riley before settling on Flip. Maybe we should as well.
 
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I have been one of those that have criticized Martin because of his defense. But it is possible that his ankle had something to do with it. At any rate, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until next year. Anyone who has had a bad ankle or groin injury knows that its the quick unexpected movements that cause the most trouble. On offense you know where your going and for the most part there aren't any quick unexpected movements. On defense, not so. Your simply reacting to the other player.

Now if he comes back next year, healthy, and plays defense the same way, then I'm on board with you.

Well, his ankle might have something to do with his "post injury" period this year, but it doesn't account for previous years. I've waited every single year for Martin to start playing better defense, but I've given up waiting. I don't think he has the "want to" to do it.
 
Too bad there's not 50 time-outs allowed each game or you could just substitute Kev for Cisco on virtually every offense, defense switch:cool:
 
We are having a rough couple of years but that shouldnt justify the constant bashing the Maloofs are getting.

Although they have made mistakes , they still are some of the best owners in the league and are trying really hard for this team back on track.

edit: People dont know how good they have it, without the Maloofs basketball would of been long gone from the valley.
 
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