Ailene Voisin: What's up with Peja? Not his confidence

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Ailene Voisin: What's up with Peja? Not his confidence



By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Wednesday, January 26, 2005


He is a better player than this. He has already proven that much. Yet throughout the first half of 2004-05, Peja Stojakovic has offered only glimpses of his former self, erupting for a three-point barrage here, accelerating for a series of back-door cuts there, amassing clusters of rebounds almost nowhere.



But what is most revealing about the three-time NBA All-Star's schizophrenic season?



His body language. His slumping shoulders. His drawn features. His confused looks. His lethargic movements and tendency to stand in the corners, waiting for someone to notice rather than demanding the ball.

"It has been an inconsistent year," Stojakovic acknowledged, nodding, "but I'm trying. Sometimes I have bad games, bad quarters, and I have to do a better job playing through it. When we play team ball, there are enough shots for everyone. I know I can be better."

And now he's hurt, now he's ailing. Just when it appeared Peja had recovered from whatever else was troubling him - the emotional departure of mentor Vlade Divac, the stinging criticism from a teammate, the adjustment to becoming a father, and a once-fluid offense that has changed significantly - he strained his lower back three weeks ago in Salt Lake City and remains plagued by spasms and lingering discomfort.

This partly accounts for his slower pace and the inordinate number of layups the 6-foot-10 small forward has short-armed in recent weeks, as well as his single-digit performances in two of three games before Tuesday.

But it doesn't explain everything. It doesn't explain his passive resistance when the inside/outside balance becomes nonexistent, when his teammates and coaches fail to fully utilize his long-range shooting and reward his constant movement, when his opportunities dissolve and the Kings revert to the dreaded one-on-one style of play.

Indeed, this remains a two-stroke dilemma, the burden resting both with the player and the system: Peja has to be assertive without forcing shots. His teammates have to recognize where he is most effective and react accordingly. And somehow, these two elements have to be reconciled, because the Kings aren't nearly as formidable when Peja is an afterthought.

The league's No. 2 scorer one year ago (24.2 points per game), he is averaging 20.2 points but shooting 44.4 percent, down from 48 percent in each of the last three seasons. Additionally, he is collecting only 4.3 rebounds, a decrease from 6.3 boards last season.

The drop-off has placed his Western Conference All-Star berth in jeopardy, with competition featuring prolific forwards Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki and Shawn Marion, as well as Chris Webber.

There is that, too. The Webber-Stojakovic connection continues to function erratically and inequitably, with Webber launching 19.7 shots per game to Stojakovic's 15.7, and a discrepancy of almost 100 attempts.

The result has been a 2004-05 season of two teams: When the vastly improved Webber sets up teammates, rebounds, defends and takes a reasonable number of shots, Peja's field-goal attempts increase and his overall performance improves noticeably. Conversely, when Webber's mentality is to dominate the ball and engage in a shoot-first display, it often precludes any semblance of balance, in essence minimizing the potency of Stojakovic, Brad Miller, Mike Bibby and now Cuttino Mobley.

Were any of these Kings possessed of combative personalities, a major clash would be inevitable. But these are the Kings, a basically reserved and unassuming bunch.

"One of the things people have to remember," basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "is that we aren't going to be the way we were. We aren't going to find another passing center like Vlade. This team is changing. There are adjustments to be made all the way around. When we get up against teams that take away some of what we can do, we need to reverse the ball. We don't always do that."

But why should that mean such sharply reduced roles for the struggling Miller - an excellent passer and initiator from the high post - and Stojakovic? Why is Peja, who along with Bibby was so adept at drilling clutch shots during Webber's extended injury absences, so seldom involved in last-second possessions?

Although Rick Adelman repeatedly presses for Peja to be more aggressive and his teammates to be more inclusive, too often he is the decoy. As one NBA scout observed recently, "Shooters are very sensitive. When they don't get the ball when they expect it, and in the places they are most comfortable, they tend to lose confidence. And from what I see, they don't set great screens for him, either."

Ultimately, though, this is about whether Peja is content to reside on his current plateau or determined to rejoin the game's elite. If so, this requires responding to the challenges, to all of them. To demanding the ball more often and in rhythm. To grabbing more rebounds. To becoming more forceful on the floor and in the locker room. To adding live dribble-moves to the assortment of runners, floaters and jump-stops that he has displayed this season. To remaining arguably the team's most consistent defender.

This will be about him, about Peja, about his ability to find additional ways to contribute. Petrie's right. Vlade's gone. Not everyone can play with Duncan, Garnett, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, players with an intuitive grasp of when to shoot and when to pass. The NBA isn't nirvana. Now 27 and in the prime of his career, Peja has to find his voice.
 
It's the Circle of Life ...

Things like this happen when a man gets married, becomes a father and tries to continue what he's been doing his whole life.

Peja is MY FAVORITE PLAYER ... he'll work his way thru THIS ... it's all a part of the ritual in BECOMING A PART OF THE HE-MAN'S WORLD !!!

This world is unlike the life of being a bachelor .... I know there are many current members of our club that can atest to this.

Com'n Peja .... you can do it .... many before you have, and there will be many more to follow .... FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION !!!
 
I love that subtle dig she had at webb.

"The result has been a 2004-05 season of two teams: When the vastly improved Webber sets up teammates, rebounds, defends and takes a reasonable number of shots , Peja's field-goal attempts increase and his overall performance improves noticeably. Conversely, when Webber's mentality is to dominate the ball and engage in a shoot-first display, it often precludes any semblance of balance, in essence minimizing the potency of Stojakovic, Brad Miller, Mike Bibby and now Cuttino Mobley. "

What's a reasonable number, anything as long as it's less than Peja's? Sheesh.

Be the man Peja, stand up and kick ***. Webb may be the team leader but you're free to stand up for yourself when neccesary.
 
I really doubt that a woman and child have caused Peja to slow down. If anything, that should help. His problem is due to the loss of Vlade and Doug, two guys that routinely set peja up for shots. He has trouble getting free from defenders becasue they are going to extreme efforts to not allow him to get free, including grabbing, bumping, and tripping. His back is hurt. The injury, the change in the Kings offense, and defenders have diminished Peja's game. Add to that the apparent hesitation that most referees have in calling obvious defensive fouls. It's not likely to get significantly better until his back heals, so I would say next September might be good.

A possible solution. Peja might get more calls and better shooting opportunities by hacking the crap out of defenders and running through them when necessary. He needs to cheat to offset their cheating. He needs to supplant his diminished skills, which is primarily due to his lower-back injury, with aggressiveness and violence. That's what his adversaries have done for years.

As a side note, I am absolutely convinced that Greg Popovich teaches his players to cheat and injure key opponent players. Massenburg backed into Chris when he went up for a jumper. An old and effective trick. It was Bruce Bowen who achieved 15 minutes of infamy when he badly hurt someone last year doing the same thing. Was it Vince Carter?

I have decided to hate Popovich and the Spurs. Popovich and the thugs have been hiding behind a "perceptive screen". The thugs do their work, and their deeds are hidden in the maze of normal play and the obvious quality and demeanor of Tim Duncan. Duncan's impecable behavior and skills are used as a cover for the nefarious behavior of Massenburg, Bowen, and other Spurs thugs. Jerry Sloan does exactly the same thing with his thugs.
 
The result has been a 2004-05 season of two teams: When the vastly improved Webber sets up teammates, rebounds, defends and takes a reasonable number of shots , Peja's field-goal attempts increase and his overall performance improves noticeably. Conversely, when Webber's mentality is to dominate the ball and engage in a shoot-first display, it often precludes any semblance of balance, in essence minimizing the potency of Stojakovic, Brad Miller, Mike Bibby and now Cuttino Mobley. "



What's not true about this statement? When Webber is thinking "pass first" team is playing better and winning, when he is taking numerous questionable shots team suffers. Check the game stats. There is no Voisin conspiracy against Webber.
 
You Didn't Take Me Seriously Did You ???

quick dog said:
I really doubt that a woman and child have caused Peja to slow down. If anything, that should help.

It's called humor .... we could use some around here, every once in-a-while.
 
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I also agree with this statement that if webber thinks pass first then we win, and everyone plays better. But does anyone ever notice that webb doesn't really pass to peja at all...think about it, and then watch the next game that they play together, i can almost guarantee that you can count on one hand,how many times webb passes to peja at all, even when he is wide open in the corner, webb will shoot. I always sort of wondered what that was all about, i just think that if peja is open, we should get him the ball. Especially if he is wide open in the corner. This is not any type of webber bashing, just a question to see if anyone else has noticed this?
 
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As an aside with Webber thinking "shoot first" we ran off 7 straight wins recently.

Closer to point, wimping and whining from various secotrs aside, this is on Peja, always has been. When he's aggressive, he gets the ball. If he moved in his 6 pt game the way he moved last night, he would have gotten the ball. But he doesn't always. And let's not even get to the rebounding/hustle which has NOTHING to do with shooting whatsoever -- you know what I call a 6'10" guy who doesn't rebound because he's not getting enough shots? I call him a prima donna.

Peja is a naturally passive individual. Aggression and competition do not seem to be instincts with him so much as they are decisions. He has a great talent (shooting) but it takes an inordinate amount of handholding and "is this ok with you Peja" negotiation to get things set up just right for him. I think you could even make a pretty good argument that Peja himself was not nearly so responsible for his great season last year as was Vlade Divac -- the friend/mentor who dedicated himself to making Peja a star, held his hand, looked for him first, talked to him constantly etc.. Peja may not have ben entirely off base at being upset Vlade was leaving -- Peja body remains, but a significant part of his heart and his fight may have walked out the door in the person of Vlade.

I've played with guys like Peja before. Many of us probably have. He's the super-talented guy on your team who is better than you, but lacks that fire. While you're fighting and scrapping out there fro everything you can get, you are perpetually worried whether he's still with you or not. You are fighting his battles as well as yours. He's the guy who you make a point of going over to before the game and saying "let's do this", who you go out of your way to hi-five after every good play, who you call over and say "going to be looking for you next time down the court". In short, the guy who can win the game for you, but you have to spend all game long pumping up + inspiring, kind of like a balloon with a leak.

And that's all ok. It has to be because those guys can do things that I cannot. If I take care of the dirty work, and if I/we can just keep his head in the game, you can win a lot with a guy like that. But then one day a guy walks onto your team, and he's big and he's strong and he's also much better than you. But this guy is different -- when you go flying to the glass to snatch that board he's right there with you fighting over the ball, when you go over to pump him up and say "let's do this!" he barks right back "hell yeah!". When you go scrambling after that loose ball, he's diving right beside you. And then you know you're home. To use a term that I don't personally, you've found your dawg. And then you don't worry about the passive talent over in the corner so much anymore. He's got to fend for himself at some point and you've already found your winner.

We spend very little time asking/complaining how come everybody else on the team isn't being helped by their teammates. No "why aren't his teammates making Mike/Brad/Webb/Mobley a better player" threads. Nor should there be. They are grown men. Professinal athletes. And while they all mess up from time to time, they are responsible for themselves and their actions. And so is Peja, although his fans seem not to realize that. And the day Peja realizes that, the day he starts taking responsibility for himself every game, the day he quits relying on others + the alignment of the stars to determine when he will be inspired, that's the day when he will finally be the player he can be.
 
I really thought Peja had turned a corner during the Utah game. I saw him MAD! I saw him actually forcing the action. I think we all have to accept that Peja is a NICE guy. Like Brick said, it's just not in his make-up to be aggressive, at least on a consistent basis.

The frustrating part is that he shows us glimpses of his potential.
 
Bricklayer said:
As an aside with Webber thinking "shoot first" we ran off 7 straight wins recently.

Closer to point, wimping and whining from various secotrs aside, this is on Peja, always has been. When he's aggressive, he gets the ball. If he moved in his 6 pt game the way he moved last night, he would have gotten the ball. But he doesn't always. And let's not even get to the rebounding/hustle which has NOTHING to do with shooting whatsoever -- you know what I call a 6'10" guy who doesn't rebound because he's not getting enough shots? I call him a prima donna.

Peja is a naturally passive individual. Aggression and competition do not seem to be instincts with him so much as they are decisions. He has a great talent (shooting) but it takes an inordinate amount of handholding and "is this ok with you Peja" negotiation to get things set up just right for him. I think you could even make a pretty good argument that Peja himself was not nearly so responsible for his great season last year as was Vlade Divac -- the friend/mentor who dedicated himself to making Peja a star, held his hand, looked for him first, talked to him constantly etc.. Peja may not have ben entirely off base at being upset Vlade was leaving -- Peja body remains, but a significant part of his heart and his fight may have walked out the door in the person of Vlade.

I've played with guys like Peja before. Many of us probably have. He's the super-talented guy on your team who is better than you, but lacks that fire. While you're fighting and scrapping out there fro everything you can get, you are perpetually worried whether he's still with you or not. You are fighting his battles as well as yours. He's the guy who you make a point of going over to before the game and saying "let's do this", who you go out of your way to hi-five after every good play, who you call over and say "going to be looking for you next time down the court". In short, the guy who can win the game for you, but you have to spend all game long pumping up + inspiring, kind of like a balloon with a leak.

And that's all ok. It has to be because those guys can do things that I cannot. If I take care of the dirty work, and if I/we can just keep his head in the game, you can win a lot with a guy like that. But then one day a guy walks onto your team, and he's big and he's strong and he's also much better than you. But this guy is different -- when you go flying to the glass to snatch that board he's right there with you fighting over the ball, when you go over to pump him up and say "let's do this!" he barks right back "hell yeah!". When you go scrambling after that loose ball, he's diving right beside you. And then you know you're home. To use a term that I don't personally, you've found your dawg. And then you don't worry about the passive talent over in the corner so much anymore. He's got to fend for himself at some point and you've already found your winner.

We spend very little time asking/complaining how come everybody else on the team isn't being helped by their teammates. No "why aren't his teammates making Mike/Brad/Webb/Mobley a better player" threads. Nor should there be. They are grown men. Professinal athletes. And while they all mess up from time to time, they are responsible for themselves and their actions. And so is Peja, although his fans seem not to realize that. And the day Peja realizes that, the day he starts taking responsibility for himself every game, the day he quits relying on others + the alignment of the stars to determine when he will be inspired, that's the day when he will finally be the player he can be.

WORD!
 
Bricklayer said:
And that's all ok. It has to be because those guys can do things that I cannot. If I take care of the dirty work, and if I/we can just keep his head in the game, you can win a lot with a guy like that. But then one day a guy walks onto your team, and he's big and he's strong and he's also much better than you. But this guy is different -- when you go flying to the glass to snatch that board he's right there with you fighting over the ball, when you go over to pump him up and say "let's do this!" he barks right back "hell yeah!". When you go scrambling after that loose ball, he's diving right beside you. And then you know you're home. To use a term that I don't personally, you've found your dawg. And then you don't worry about the passive talent over in the corner so much anymore. He's got to fend for himself at some point and you've already found your winner.

And who exactly fits this description on the Kings?? Its one thing to talk like this, its completely different to actually do it. Pedja is one of the most efficient players in the league. On a bad shooting year Pedja is still ranked 15th in the league in adjusted FG%, and someone else is 81st. His Points per shot are way ahead of that individuals as are Mike Bibby's and Brad Millers. So when Voison says that the Kings play their best ball when the ball is being moved around, do not dismiss it and say Pedja is a P*ssy, lets look at the whole situation.

Should Pedja ask for the ball more >>> YES.
Should his teamates seek him out more >>> YES.
Should he rebound better >>> YES.
Should the coach draw up more plays for him >>> YES.
Should Webb shoot when he is open >>> YES.
Should he pass more when his shot is off >>> YES.

I have said it once and I will say it again, the Kings play their best ball when Pedja is their main offensive weapon (more efficient playing). Does that mean passing up good shots to let Pedja shoot - no!! It does however mean trying to get him involved from the out set. It would not kill CWebb to set a pick every once in a while (this goes for Brad as well). I am still amazed that the only 2 guys on this team who seem to know how to set a pick are the 2 best shooters, Mike and Pedja. In the end it all comes down to the coaching staff and what they decide and in that case the Kings will win their games and a playoff series and then lose in a disappointing fashion.
 
For the record. They have set picks for Pedja recently. AND he's driven inside and missed easy lay-ups. Say what you like, #1sacfan, Pedja is NOT the same Pedja he was last year.
 
I agree with a lot of what you say, #1sacfan, including the idea of getting Stojakovic involved from the start of the game. However, as Bricklayer pointed out, it is not in his attitude to consistently force himself into the action. And the real question I have, is whether you want to make the teams main scoring threat someone who does not have the attitude to will himself to score, to take over and carry the team to a win.

That was a criticism of Webber in the past, and while I don't think it was the single cause of the team's lack of championship success, I think that if he had that natural instinct things might have been different. And now, I think it is clear which person on this team has that desire to carry it to victory. I trust the guy who is forcing the action, who wants it badly, and who shows that on a consistent basis. I don't trust the guy who has failed to carry the team through any difficult time, has disappeared when he was needed, and has shown few signs of being able to overcome his natural instinct to let things happen around him.

If Webber was playing poorly, or wasn't coming through when it matters at the end of games, then I might think differently. If Stojakovic was demanding the ball, fighting, scrapping and hustling when the game is in doubt, I might think that taking advantage of his efficiency would be appropriate. But those things aren't happening, and I just do not trust the idea of putting the offense in his hands when the playoffs roll around.


P.S. Just a note to those who might not realize it, I love Peja and his place on the team, and I'm rooting for him to overcome anything that is holding him back from being a true superstar and helping the Kings win a championship. The above is just my reasoning for not centering the offense around him right now.
 
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King Peja said:
One of the main reasons Webb takes so many shots is because he doesn't get respect defensivly from his opponents. The Opponent is usually too concentrated on Peja or Mike that it gives Webb so many wide open jumpers. Besides, most teams would much rather Webber try and take over the game rather than TEAM Play that has won the Kings so many games in the past just like yesterdays game.

VERY very true. And the question becomes : Is the defense right for letting him take "easy" long jumpers and should Webber be trying to do something else instead ? My main objection is that by taking this shot he is away from the basket with almost zero chance of getting an offensive rebound, something that would should be different if he was posting up or letting others take jumpers...
 
VF21 said:
For the record. They have set picks for Pedja recently. AND he's driven inside and missed easy lay-ups. Say what you like, #1sacfan, Pedja is NOT the same Pedja he was last year.

That is correct. But Pedja IS the same Pedja that he's always been with Webber in the lineup. Now that I think about it, Webber is very talented, but he might be the only player in the league to make others around him worse.
 
sloter said:
That is correct. But Pedja IS the same Pedja that he's always been with Webber in the lineup. Now that I think about it, Webber is very talented, but he might be the only player in the league to make others around him worse.

No he's not the same player. He played with Webber for YEARS before last season, and he was very consistent: 48% shooter, 5.5 to 6 rebs 2.5 ast etc. etc. This is the worst version of Peja we have seen to date since he emerged as a starter. He has games where he looks like the "old Peja" and then 3 or 4 game stretches where he's just out to lunch and going through the motions.
 
sloter said:
VERY very true. And the question becomes : Is the defense right for letting him take "easy" long jumpers and should Webber be trying to do something else instead ? My main objection is that by taking this shot he is away from the basket with almost zero chance of getting an offensive rebound, something that would should be different if he was posting up or letting others take jumpers...
The high post, Princeton style offense requires the big man to shot/hit these jumpers. Rebounding comes from the other big man and the wing players.
 
maybe if peja had a low post game he would get the ball more often.... he's 6'10...... he should be raping bruce bowen and hassell..... but he doesnt..... webber isnt playing there neither is miller, maybe peja should... he cant and wont, but it would be nice to see him try to post up bowen and shoot baby hook shots all night. just my opinnion.......
 
sloter said:
That is correct. But Pedja IS the same Pedja that he's always been with Webber in the lineup. Now that I think about it, Webber is very talented, but he might be the only player in the league to make others around him worse.

Hmmm ... let's see ... Webber gets traded to Washington, who instantly became a playoff contender. The year they made it they lost 3 tough games to a guy named Jordan. Since he's left they made the playoffs ... ummm, oh yeah ... never. Then he shows up to Sacramento. How many years did they make the playoffs before he arrived? How many straight years have the Kings made the playoffs since? Enough said. No, it's not ALL Webber. But to say he makes others worse is absurd. With his court awareness, passing skills, and rebounding he does nothing but improved any team he is on.
 
If ever there was a candidate for coach time with a sports psychologist it is Pedja. I wont asume to know what goes on in his head but it is clear from his play on court he lacks focus and drive.
 
Good posts everyone.

Essentially, we lost two great role players from the starting lineup in Vlade and Doug. I say roleplayers because they were mostly responsible for playmaking, but could also be relied on for scoring when needed. Before Webb, Peja and Bibby were the real go- to- guys. Now we have 5 players in the starting lineup who can all score as well as create shots for others. The Kings need to find a balance where they are utilizing all the players on floor efficiently. The offense is still new and it will take a little bit getting used to each other, but when everyone is involved we are a tough team to beat.

That being said, I find it troubling Peja just simply gets lost in the offense. It's widely known that if Peja is open he is absolutely money. It's not just Peja that needs to be more aggressive (which he does), but the rest of the team needs to help Peja out by setting screens because defenses concentrate on him so much. That's why it's a team game. It is also widely known that Peja cannot create his own offense, so his teammates need to make it a point to get him open.

As an aside, Peja has improved significantly from his awful start to the season and I think he is playing his best defense this year.
 
Sloter, I respect your opinion as an NBA fan, but that right there is the most erroneous absurd statement that has been attached to your name. I cannot, nor do I want to even fathom how one could come up with that line of thinking.

IMO, the differences between a "great-HOF" type player and a "good-average" player is the ability to make others around you better. Jordan did that, Magic did that, Oscar Robertson did that etc. Now, I am not saying that Chris Webber is a "great" player, a term that if you ask me is thrown around and attached too easily to players, but he is the closest thing the Kings have to it, that's for sure.

You don't get awarded a lucrative contract making you the focus point of the franchise if people,in this case some very highly regarded basketball minds, think you are someone who makes others around you worse. You don't get selected to All-star games, All NBA teams, POW, POM if people think you are a player that makes others around you worse.

::chuckes::

You know, leave it to poison to get everyone talking about this.

Night in and night out the goal of the team is to win games, not to make sure Peja's feelings aren't hurt-or anyone else for that matter. I couldn't care less who shoots the most shots or scores the most points as long as the Kings as a team score more points than the other team. That is what its supposed to be about. The moment those players step on the court, the money is not an issue, the articles and fans perceptions is not an issue. Its about producing and winning.

The Kings players, 1-12, aren't selfish, the lead the L in assist per game for crying out loud.
 
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The Kings should have one goal, to win. Some make it sound like their goal should be to spend the game setting up Peja. Is Peja an awesome offensive weapon? Well, yes, he CAN be, but he can also be shut down by certain defenders, unfortunately the very SAME defenders we will see in the Play Offs. What happens then?

Why do we spend our time making excuses and enabling Peja? We expect the team to rebound for him, set screens for him, make sure he gets more shots than everyone else. When do we expect Peja to take some personal responsibility?
 
ReinadelosReys said:
You know, leave it to poison to get everyone talking about this.

Night in and night out the goal of the team is to win games, not to make sure Peja's feelings aren't hurt-or anyone else for that matter. I couldn't care less who shoots the most shots or scores the most points as long as the Kings as a team score more points than the other team. That is what its supposed to be about. The moment those players step on the court, the money is not an issue, the articles and fans perceptions is not an issue. Its about producing and winning.

The Kings players, 1-12, aren't selfish, the lead the L in assist per game for crying out loud.
Right on, Reina!! :) I agree.
 
Wow !!!

Peja's a big boy .... he'll figure it all out sooner or later, hopefully SOONER.

The determining factor here is the PATIENCE of Petrie (we all know Peja is Petrie's boy) and input by Adelman. Maloof's will do whatever Petrie says.
 
voisin said:
Ultimately, though, this is about whether Peja is content to reside on his current plateau or determined to rejoin the game's elite. If so, this requires responding to the challenges, to all of them. To demanding the ball more often and in rhythm. To grabbing more rebounds. To becoming more forceful on the floor and in the locker room. To adding live dribble-moves to the assortment of runners, floaters and jump-stops that he has displayed this season. To remaining arguably the team's most consistent defender.

That is the whole story of Pedja, summarized in one paragraph. If he can do what Voisin has said, he will truly be one of the all-time greats.
 
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