Ailene Voisin: No better choice than Whiz, kids

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The NBA

Saunders needs a title on resume
Pistons’ coach just ordinary without a crown
by DAVID BOYCE
The Kansas City Star

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/14684868.htm

Flip Saunders is a solid NBA coach. He can take a team with talent and little or no adversity to the playoffs.

There are many NBA assistant coaches with the same qualities. For now, Saunders is just an ordinary head coach.

The only way for Saunders to distinguish himself and enter elite coaching status is to take the Detroit Pistons to the NBA title.

Great coaches win championships when given a championship-quality team. Saunders has that and more with the Pistons.

If Detroit falls to Miami in the Eastern Conference finals, Saunders is nothing more than a pedestrian coach destined to never win it all.

Yes, that’s harsh, but it’s the truth. Look at his record at Minnesota. He guided the Timberwolves to the playoffs eight straight years. It wasn’t until the eighth year that Minnesota finally won a playoff series. They won two and reached the Western Conference finals.
And when the Timberwolves got there in the 2003-04 season with home-court advantage, they lost in six games to a Lakers team that was going through a Beatlelike breakup.

The following year when Latrell Sprewell needed more millions to feed his family, Saunders didn’t know how to handle the distraught Sprewell, and the Timberwolves fell apart.

Less than one year after taking the Timberwolves to the Western Conference finals, Saunders was out of a job.

It remains to be seen whether Saunders has the coaching acumen to light that fire. If Saunders can’t, put him on the same list with George Karl, Mike Dunleavy and Rick Adelman. They are solid coaches who can’t win an NBA title and probably won’t win one.
Coaching is a tough job.Only the few and lucky pull off NBA championships.
 
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Shaka,

You've made some great points. I was just thinking myself as I watched tonight's game that Detroit has just lost their defensive intensity. They fouled WAY too much during the fourth quarter.

Of course, if Artest or Wells conflict with the 'whiz' next season, I'm sure that Ailene Voison will tell us that the Maloofs should have been patient during the offseason and waited for an experienced Larry Brown, instead of 'rushing' out and hiring the inexperienced 'whiz'.
 
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Bricklayer said:
...just check out the track records of the far MORE accomplished stud college coaches that flop out year after year int he NBA. They know basketball too. But that doesn't mean diddly in the NBA.
and that is it in a nutshell. I admire & respect what Whis has done for the Monarchs, just as I like & respect what a lot of college coaches have done with their teams. I wouldn't be jumping for joy if we picked a college coach with a great record either, but I tend to think that college ball is probably more similar to the NBA than the WNBA is. I guess it just confuses me -- this is what they got rid of Adelman for??? I don't see why we'd go with Whis when there are seemingly more qualified candidates available.
 
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BigWaxer said:
I just hope Petrie doesn't get fed up and quit. We are gonna need him to get us a solid pick in next years lottery.
My GOD! You're right! We need more for small ball! ;) :D
 
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I'm starting to really like Mussleman. I think he has a lot of good winning experience and could really help this team. He also lead the struggling Warriors to their best season since 30 years. I also heard he has a lot of energy and loves to coach.
 

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Rome said:
He also lead the struggling Warriors to their best season since 30 years.
Er...what?

Not sure if that was a typo or someone just misinformed you -- in any case, the Warriors won 50+ several times under Don Nelson in the early 90's so Musselman's 37, 38 win lottery teams could not have been the best in 30 years. Maybe the best in the long playoff drought though?
 
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hoopsfan said:
Hmmmm...Last week, "Don't think about it, Call Larry Brown."

Today, "No better choice than Whiz, kids." :confused:
Crazy larry is looking better all the time

So is crazy Rick
 
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Rome said:
I'm starting to really like Mussleman. I think he has a lot of good winning experience and could really help this team. He also lead the struggling Warriors to their best season since 30 years. I also heard he has a lot of energy and loves to coach.
I agree, minus Brick's correction. I see his record and sucesses in the minor leagues, and I really feel like it parallels a number of older succesful coaches in the NBA. He's got a promising future, and it's a shame the Maloofs don't care.
 
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I always thought that Musselman did a good job in Oakland. He deserves another shot at a head coaching gig somewhere. I have heard that he sorta pissed off a lot of the player's at Golden State and they lost respect for him at the end.

Do you think the Kings need a tough hard a** coach or more of a player's coach?
 

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I think the perfect solution would be a combination. A coach who commands respect without being so difficult that he's known as a hard-***.
 

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Starting Five said:
I always thought that Musselman did a good job in Oakland. He deserves another shot at a head coaching gig somewhere. I have heard that he sorta pissed off a lot of the player's at Golden State and they lost respect for him at the end.

Do you think the Kings need a tough hard a** coach or more of a player's coach?
Yeah, that is the big ? about Musselman. Also of course while both his dad and Flip were good NBA coaches, neither ever won anything.

And that's kind of the sad backdrop here -- going into the offseason we were talking about championship possibilities, and now our choices are a rookie assistant coach, an old rookie WNBA coach, or a 2-yr coach who won 37 and 38 in first couple of years and wore on his players. One or more might be able to win games, but a title anytime soon?
 
#78
They are just "eliminating" people for no reason... Everyone knows who the coach is going to be, why go through this whole facade, putting up polls, "eliminating" coaches, and going through interviews?
 
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Bricklayer said:
Yeah, that is the big ? about Musselman. Also of course while both his dad and Flip were good NBA coaches, neither ever won anything.
I think his being a great interview on tv and radio has a lot to do with it. I think Musselman will the next great NBA analyst/color guy for TNT or ESPN one of these days, but that doesn't necessarily translate into "great head coach".
 

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SacKings384 said:
They are just "eliminating" people for no reason... Everyone knows who the coach is going to be, why go through this whole facade, putting up polls, "eliminating" coaches, and going through interviews?
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."

Maybe they were afraid the fans might not be real happy if it looked as though they hadn't performed a real search?

;)
 
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Bricklayer said:
Yeah, that is the big ? about Musselman. Also of course while both his dad and Flip were good NBA coaches, neither ever won anything.

And that's kind of the sad backdrop here -- going into the offseason we were talking about championship possibilities, and now our choices are a rookie assistant coach, an old rookie WNBA coach, or a 2-yr coach who won 37 and 38 in first couple of years and wore on his players. One or more might be able to win games, but a title anytime soon?
I really thought that Musselman was vastly underrated. His one downside is that he supposedly had issues with his players as a head coach and as an assistant in Vancouver. However, the Warriors teams he coached were terrible teams (talent-wise), playing in the Western Conference when the WC was at it's absolute peak and they still nearly made the playoffs. I think it's telling that after Musselman left Golden State, the Warriors immdiately became worse under Montgomery.

BTW, on a side note, doesn't hiring Montgomery count as one of the worst coaching decisions of all times. It's one thing to take a chance on college coach who has won several championships. Montgomery's Stanford team's always had NBA caliber talent, but consistenly underachieved, especially in the NCAA tournament. Stanford collapes were like clockwork. What possibly made Chris Mullin think he was the right coach for the Warriors? "Well, he's done mediocre coaching intellegent Stanford kids, who are very coachable and have NBA-quality talent, how could he possibly fail us?"
 
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At this rate, Roop D' Hoop will replace Geoff Petrie as the Kings' General Manager. Jim Kozimore and the guy who sells Kings gear might wind-up being the television play-by-play announcers.

It is always darkest before it rains. Every cloud has a silver lining that masks the golf ball-sized hail.
 
#84
This from Kings.com:

According to several published reports over the last week, including an article written in the Sacramento Bee, the Sacramento Kings have narrowed their search for a head coach to succeed Rick Adelman down to three candidates. All three are known in basketball circles, with two having won championships at some point in their career and the other having grown up with coaching literally flowing though his blood.

Here is a closer look at each of the finalists:


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Mario Elie

Mario Elie, who played 11 seasons in the NBA – including two with Golden State – became a Warriors assistant coach in 2004-05. Prior to joining the Warriors coaching staff, he spent last season on the bench as an assistant coach with the San Antonio Spurs. Elie has made the playoffs in all 12 of his seasons as an NBA player and coach.

Elie, enjoyed a successful NBA playing career, averaging 8.6 points, 2.8 rebounds and 2.6 assists in 732 regular season games with Golden State, Philadelphia, Portland, Houston, San Antonio and Phoenix. He also played in 116 career playoff contests, winning three NBA Championships with Houston (1994 & 1995) and San Antonio (1999).

A native of New York City, Elie enjoyed some of his finest playing moments as a member of the Houston Rockets. He started all four games of the 1995 NBA Finals against Orlando, averaging 16.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 3.3 assists en route to winning his second consecutive title. Additionally, his best individual season came in 1996-97, when he averaged 11.7 points, 4.0 assists and 3.0 rebounds in 78 games for the Rockets. In 1998, he was named to the Rockets 30-Year Team as one of the top 10 players in club history.

After going undrafted by the NBA in 1985 out of American International College – a Division II school in Springfield, Massachusetts – Elie played in Portugal, Argentina, Ireland, the USBL, the WBL and the CBA before making his NBA debut with the Philadelphia 76ers in December of 1990.

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After appearing in three games for the 76ers, Elie signed a 10-day contract with Golden State on February 23, 1991. Five days later, he signed a contract to keep him with the Warriors through the end of the following season. During his two seasons in the Bay Area (1990-91 & 1991-92), Elie appeared in 109 regular-season games, averaging 7.8 points, 3.1 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 21.1 minutes per contest. In 13 playoff contests, he averaged 10.3 points, 4.2 rebounds and 1.8 assists, while playing alongside current team executives Chris Mullin and Rod Higgins.

Mario (pronounced MERRY-oh) and his wife, Gina, are the parents of triplets, Gaston, Glenn and Lauren. Gina is a television personality who has most recently worked as a national correspondent for MSNBC and as a nightly news anchor for KTRK-TV in Houston. Elie, who earned a degree in human relations from American International, speaks Spanish, Portuguese and French.




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Eric Musselman

A young, energetic coach with an extremely successful record in basketball’s “minor leagues”, Eric Musselman was named head coach of the Golden State Warriors on July 26, 2002, and ended up leading the Warriors to two of their most successful seasons over the last ten years. Just 37-years-old at the time of his hiring, Musselman was the youngest current head coach in the NBA.

Prior to joining the Warriors, Musselman worked two seasons as an assistant for the Atlanta Hawks after spending the prior two seasons with the Orlando Magic. As a CBA coach, Musselman posted a 270-122 record (.688), marking the second highest winning percentage in league history behind Milwaukee Bucks head coach George Karl, who coached for five seasons in the CBA.

From 1990 thru 1997, Musselman had 24 players called-up to the NBA, the highest number in the league during that span. He holds the distinction of being the only person in CBA history to coach in five league All-Star Games (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997) and was the first coach in professional basketball history to win 100 games by the age of 28. When he was 23, Musselman became the youngest coach in CBA history.

He received his first NBA coaching experience in 1990-91 as an assistant coach for the Minnesota Timberwolves on the staff of his late father, Bill Musselman. The Musselmans are now the first father/son head-coaching duo in NBA history.

After graduating from the University of San Diego with a bachelor’s degree in political science in 1987, Musselman took a front office job with the Los Angeles Clippers before taking on the role of assistant director of scouting.

A three-time member West Coast Athletic Conference All-Academic squad, he played in two NCAA tournaments. Following his college career, Musselman was selected by the CBA’s Albany Patroons in the fifth round (58th overall) of the 1987 Draft.

A graduate of Brecksville (Ohio) High School, Musselman has two sons, Michael and Matthew. He was born November 19, 1964 in Ashland, OH.


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John Whisenant

John Whisenant is currently in his third season as Head Coach and his second season as General Manager of the WNBA's Sacramento Monarchs, after spending one WNBA season as assistant general manager, under then GM, Jerry Reynolds.

The 2005 WNBA Coach of the Year, Whisenant led the Monarchs to the 2005 WNBA Championship over the Connecticut Sun - the city's first championship.

Whisenant brings more than 30 years of basketball experience to the Sacramento Monarchs. From his role as head coach with a 51-35 record (59%) and vice president of basketball operations for the New Mexico Slam (IBL/CBA), to his various business interests, Whisenant delivers a passion for basketball and the experience necessary to help the Monarchs reach the next level of excellence.

Whisenant began his basketball career at Connors State College in Warner, Oklahoma (averaged 20.5 ppg) and then continued on to New Mexico as a player for the New Mexico State Aggies where he was a starting guard for Coach Fresley Askew. “Whiz” was NMSU’s second leading scorer in his senior season, averaging 13.1 points-per-game.

Upon completion of his playing days, Whisenant immediately went into coaching at Coffeyville Community Junior College (Kansas). While he was an assistant at Coffeyville, the Red Ravens were 48-10 (83%).

In four seasons as head coach at Arizona Western (Yuma), Whisenant’s teams won three league championships and went to nationals all three times. His record was an impressive 97-30 (76%).

After Arizona Western, Whisenant joined the staff of former New Mexico Lobo Coach Norm Ellenberger as assistant head basketball coach. During his seven years, the Lobos went on to a 137-62 (69%) record including two WAC Championships and four post-season appearances. The 1977-78 team ended the season leading the nation in scoring and ranked third nationally.

Since his coaching days with the Lobos, Whisenant has gone on to become a successful businessman with interests in commercial real estate, home construction and horse racing. He has also worked as a consultant to the Maloof family, advising them on their acquisition of the Sacramento Kings. Whisenant has kept his passion for basketball burning, serving as head coach of his son’s AAU team in Albuquerque. Even at the AAU level, Whiz dominated. His team won 176 of 192 games (92%) including six state and regional championships. In 1995, his team won the BCI National Championship.

A native of Gore, Oklahoma, Whisenant is married to Joyce (Mowery) Whisenant, a former women’s basketball player. They have five children: Stan (former University of New Mexico basketball player), Daniel (former Air Force Academy basketball player), Johnette, (former women’s basketball player and current girls’ middle school basketball coach), Justin (former Dartmouth College football and basketball player) and Jordyn (former women’s basketball player).

Whisenant holds a bachelor of science in physical education from New Mexico State and a MA in history from Pittsburg State University in Pittsburg, Kansas.
 
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In 1995, his team won the BCI National Championship.

WOW!! (sarcasm)

I don't know if you all agree, but I think that the Kings have clearly embellished the whiz's record over Mario and Musselman. DESPITE HAVING FAR FEWER CREDENTIALS, the whiz's bio is about 20% longer.

And it's also curious that the kings' website calls them: The Final Three?

They really are THE ONLY THREE!!

Based on what's on the Kings' website alone, I'd say that the whiz is a heavy favorate.
 

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Roch Royals Fan said:
In 1995, his team won the BCI National Championship.

WOW!! (sarcasm)

I don't know if you all agree, but I think that the Kings have clearly embellished the whiz's record over Mario and Musselman. DESPITE HAVING FAR FEWER CREDENTIALS, the whiz's bio is about 20% longer.

And it's also curious that the kings' website calls them: The Final Three?

They really are THE ONLY THREE!!

Based on what's on the Kings' website alone, I'd say that the whiz is a heavy favorate.
Well, the Whis bio there is actualy just the same one from his WNBA coaching bio page. Not sure who put together the other two.
 
#88
bibbysac said:
i cant stand Ailene Voisin........when i read her articles i get really frustrated and mad
The #1 reason Voisin is mindlesly propping up Whis for coach is simple.

Being a female writer (and probably a feminist, not that there's anything wrong with that), she will automatically support anything that validates women's sports.

John Whisenant being able to go from coaching the WNBA to coaching an NBA team would to a great extent validate, the WNBA. Writers like Voisin would endlessly point out how the WNBA prepared him well for an NBA job and it that the women's game and men's game weren't really that far apart.

Of course there is some validity to this. Whisenant probably knows the game very well and could probably point out a lot of the finer points of strategy of an NBA game. But a good NBA assistant coach would probably do a better job of it. Because a good NBA assistant coach, in addition to knowing basic basketball strategy, knows the NBA rules and is familiar with both teams and players currently in the league.

Bottom line: If John Whisenant never coached WNBA and was currently a men's college coach or CBA coach, Ailene Voisin wouldn't be saying 2 words to support him.
 

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^^Sorry, but that's really a pretty sexist viewpoint. Her gender has absolutely NOTHING to do with her articles.

EDIT: Okay, except for her comments about Peja's rippling muscles.

;)
 

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Roch Royals Fan said:
In 1995, his team won the BCI National Championship.

WOW!! (sarcasm)

I don't know if you all agree, but I think that the Kings have clearly embellished the whiz's record over Mario and Musselman. DESPITE HAVING FAR FEWER CREDENTIALS, the whiz's bio is about 20% longer.
Actually the Musselman and Elie bios are from the Coaches section of nba.com.