Admit it
- Thread starter Jdbraver137
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I'll admit I wouldn't give a single crap if they did move and the team was better off. I'm not from Sac or Cali and only had the loosest of connections to the Kings in the late 90s when I chose the Kings, but I chose the Sacramento Kings. I continue to choose them and whatever misery that comes with it. I can cheer for better future outcomes AND for winning now. They aren't mutually exclusive like so many fans seem to think/feel. Just look at Dallas, conspiracy rigging aside. Realism and details can stay at my job and responsibilities. My fandom only requires blind hope and optimism.
TaxMan
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I was (and still am) living in the Seattle area when the Kings were potentially moving. Regardless of the fact that I would have been able to watch live NBA games over the past decade, I was probably the only person in the area that was rooting against a move. I have no freaking idea why this stupid team, which moved to Sacramento when I was a 13 year old living in Loomis, has had a grip on me for almost 40 years of my life but it has. Regardless of the awful luck of attaching myself to a perpetual loser team, I still got the highs of the early 2000's and the Beam Team (yep.. that's pretty much the only payoff on a lifetime of misery).
If an expansion team comes to Seattle, I would look to become a season ticket holder and would likely see my time investment in the Kings dwindle significantly. However, I will still always be a fan and happy they stayed in Sac.
If an expansion team comes to Seattle, I would look to become a season ticket holder and would likely see my time investment in the Kings dwindle significantly. However, I will still always be a fan and happy they stayed in Sac.
sactowndog
All-Star
Not sure, as a person who shared season tickets and shelled out thousands to the Kings last year, how expressing how I feel in response to a post is relentless
I've possibly been to more concerts there than Kings games, and that's definitely one of the reasons Crown Downtown (and others) were so vocal at City Council meetings about getting a downtown arena built. You can look at the City Council meeting photos when we did the first jersey removal/reveal to see the various arguments CD made.
So, do I wish the Kings had gone to Seattle or wherever? Heck no. As we said at the time - it is #BiggerThanBasketball
I've seen lots of concerts that never would have come closer than San Francisco if the arena wasn't here. What that arena has done for the area and the City is great.
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So I can loosely cheer for Boston and Portland because I spent significant portions of my life in each city. The Kings are the only one that will flood me with emotion, but at least one of the three have been good enough at any one minute, but not good enough for it to feel like cheating (I hated the 80s celtics with a passion).
QWERTYLICIOUS
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Actually it was patience and the run it back at the time that did Monte in. Teams at the previous deadline like the Mavs, Suns, and Lakers moved up and made moves that changed the landscape of the Western conference. That change has now allowed those teams to change it even further as they've traded the paper clip for the eraser and so on. I'm not sure Monte's first intention was to dump a pick just to pay more money to players he already had on his roster, but that's essentially what ended up happening. That along with league wide style changes to what wins did them in. The DHO got figured out and teams started to build better defensive rosters which just went hand in hand.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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I'm not even convinced that we'd be any better off if we had traded Fox instead. Especially with the way the team was built around Fox post-Hali trade.
Padrino
All-Star
Kings fans just love wallowing in this sentiment right now, but Haliburton is on a 50-win team in the lesser conference. For two post-seasons straight, they've had the good fortune of matching up against quite a few injury-depleted teams. Now, I'm not at all saying that Haliburton isn't an excellent player, because he is. Nor am I saying that it was all dumb luck that the Pacers are playing in the Finals, because it's not. But it ain't like Tyrese is leading some 60-win buzzsaw over there. The Pacers are very likely about to get stomped in 5 or less by the Thunder (though I'll return to eat crow if I'm wrong on this one).
Ultimately, you put Hali back in a Kings uni in the much more grueling Western Conference, and I'd hardly imagine they would have topped out any better than the 48 wins they achieved during the Beam Team season. There's always a Western Conference tax to be paid in the win/loss column, after all. You're just not scaling the same heights when you have to get through the gauntlet out west.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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Yeah, pretty much my point as well...You put Hali back in Kings colors, there's still no guarantee that we'd be any better than an annual play-in team.
Joshyjosh31
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Even if we’re not in the WCF we’d have a young PG that’s a star that guys would wanna play with instead we have no young stars and three playoff wins to show for it
Siakam probably agrees to come here if we have Hali instead of fox and Domas
Angelo127
G-League
still shouldn't have traded him
This presupposes that Siakam wanted to play with Haliburton more than he wanted to not play for Sacramento, and we have no reason to believe that's true.
Padrino
All-Star
Eh. Miss me with the Siakam speculation. There are a dozen butterfly effects between here and there if Tyrese doesn't get traded to Indiana, and no way of knowing how the league would have shifted as a result.
Honestly, Haliburton is a very talented PG, but he's also a smug little crap, and there's likely a reason that NBA players themselves have labeled him overrated, even if it has nothing to do with his skill on the court. I'm not at all convinced that he's as likable as a great many salty Kings fans think he is. Hali enjoys playing the heel, and his peers around the league seem to take exception to his attitude.
Tizzy Flip
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Smug little crap. Wow. Bitter much? You Monte’s wife?
ShastaKingsFan
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His team loves playing with him. Some of his opponents don't love him...and why would they....and why would he care if they didn't
Tizzy Flip
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Well having lived in the midwest, there’s no way he preferred Indianapolis. He chose to play with someone who could elevate his game, and that was Hali and not Fox. Quinn Buckner said that as much in an interview I heard on the radio where he talked about conversations he had with Siakam about why he chose the Pacers
QWERTYLICIOUS
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If that is what floats your boat, go ahead and keep on steering the vessel as you see fit.
Tizzy Flip
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But he’s smug
This is what makes some Kings fans insufferable. We literally could have been on a track like the Pacers. We unfortunately chose wrong…. a lot. Read posts from a little over a year ago. People were laughing at the Pacers as a team not even close to touching the makeup of the Kings. Now those same people are saying that the Pacers did a good job building around Hali. The narrative keeps changing
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Tizzy Flip
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I just hope Scott Perry is able to honestly critique the org he inherited and have them do a self assessment as to what would drive them to do a trade like that. There’s nothing wrong with getting a player like Sabonis, but the thinking behind trading a future all-star / all-nba player (most Kings fans just knew he would blossom into) who makes everyone better was very flawed to begin with, especially for an org that doesn’t attract top tier free agents. We’ll make progress as a franchise once the front office and ownership accepts they messed up huge, a big part of that thinking Fox was a franchise player. As for Sabonis, he’s a great player but no team out there would rather have him than Hali
QWERTYLICIOUS
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The issue when bringing up the Fox for Sabonis deal is that the Pacers did NOT want Fox in return. I am not convinced that we would've received as good of a return for Fox as we did for Haliburton, even if that 2nd team was not Indiana, and the player we received in return for Fox was not Sabonis.
I'm more inclined to believe that the Beam Team would've never been had Fox been dealt instead of Hali.
Tizzy Flip
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Not saying they wanted Fox. But I’m sure we could have found other takers for Fox and gotten similar value to Sabonis, we just didn’t try hard enough. Believe me, there’s quite a market for a 25+ppg, elite slasher. We just chose wrong and I believe the front office thought Fox just needed a true robin that didn’t reduce his usage, and he would be unleashed to new heights.
I also don’t see 1 season in the playoffs where we didn’t even advance as a mark of success, all in a season riddled with major injuries across the western conference. Beam team was great for the very brief few months we got to experience it. But maybe that’s just me.
Angelo127
G-League
It's true.
Padrino
All-Star
Well, to be fair, I used a more colorful word here to describe Tyrese, but the board's profanity filters caught it.
And not bitter at all. I was supportive of the trade for Domas. I also would have been fine had Haliburton not been traded. I was happy to call De'Aaron Fox annoyingly moody and inconsistent while he was here, and I recently came down on Sabonis for how despondent and disinterested he looked in the play-in.
I would have treated Haliburton the same if he had not been dealt. He's smarmy. He's smug. He showboats like Steph Curry despite being a couple levels below him in talent. I don't like that particular aspect of his character. He's also a bottom-tier defender and he's got a maddening disappearing/reappearing act that puts him in a category with guys like Fox and Domas who likewise disappear for stretches when you need them to show up. It's why Indiana is a 50-win team instead of a 60-win team.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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We will never know, that's my point. Even if we had kept Tyrese - there's no guarantee that any, or all, of the moves after that deal would've paid off. And that is also the point others on here are trying to make - that there's no guarantee that we would've been any better at this point had we kept Tyrese. For all we know, we could've still made the same roster moves to build around Tyrese that we made to build around Fox, and Tyrese could've done the same thing as Fox by also demanding a trade.
