Adelman's coaching

[1kingzfan]

Then why did Miller shoot jumpers instead of driving inside?

Let's see, could it be that he had no man within 10 feet of him? Would you drive to the hole with THREE guys waiting for you, if you were open for a 15-footer?

Perhaps if you're Kobe...nope, on second thought, Kobe would have taken those shots no matter what...

But do you honestly think that if Brad had indeed done that, he would have been rewarded by the refs for contact? Also, if you're one of the top FG% guys in the league and you shoot from the outside regularly, why would you believe that your wide open jumper would NOT fall?

Because you sat all that time? If that was so obvious and it was so obvious that Rick made the wrong move, I'm shocked and amazed that any of the other 4 Kings on the floor even passed Brad the ball, especially when he was open for a shot.

Yeah, I know, it's a loss and ya gotta blame SOMEBODY...it's ALWAYS somebody's fault, because you NEVER just get beat by the other team.

 

[SacKings384]

What do you want him to do? Call a timeout everytime they hit a shot?

 

[piksi]

Checking in from Serbia...
My first and only post on the topic: JUST FIRE HIM!
It's coming in the offseason anyway, why not speed the process up a little bit...

Becaues we like to suffer

 

[piksi]

I do not exactly remember wheather Shaq had a ball on the possesion where Jones hit the last 3. If he had - WHY didn't somebody foul him. Where was RA in the last 5 minutes of the game anyway ?

 

[nAj jAn™]

No, Wade had the ball to penetrate and pass outside to Damon... it was a good play design by the coach....

Well, RA was standing beside the bench where the coach supposed to be!!!!!

 

[SacTownKid]

Let's see, could it be that he had no man within 10 feet of him? Would you drive to the hole with THREE guys waiting for you, if you were open for a 15-footer?

Perhaps if you're Kobe...nope, on second thought, Kobe would have taken those shots no matter what...

But do you honestly think that if Brad had indeed done that, he would have been rewarded by the refs for contact? Also, if you're one of the top FG% guys in the league and you shoot from the outside regularly, why would you believe that your wide open jumper would NOT fall?

Because you sat all that time? If that was so obvious and it was so obvious that Rick made the wrong move, I'm shocked and amazed that any of the other 4 Kings on the floor even passed Brad the ball, especially when he was open for a shot.

Yeah, I know, it's a loss and ya gotta blame SOMEBODY...it's ALWAYS somebody's fault, because you NEVER just get beat by the other team.

Yeah but you said: "Perhaps Adelman was seeking to insert someone in the lineup that COULD draw more fouls on Shaq, that COULD get to the line in the penalty, and that, heaven for bid, COULD make a few free throws. Fancy that, huh????"

And BTW when you have two double digit leads in the same game and still lose it is somebody's fault.

 

[Heuge]

i have one question and one question only, why does Rick Adelman calls a time out after a 12-1 run by the heat or a 14-2 run???? best example we were up by 10 points and up by 8 points when the Heat went on a run but when does adelman call a time out? When we Fall behind by 2 pts SHOULDN'T you call a time out after the opponent team scores 6 streight points in row and you score NONE??? But instead Mr. adelman waits till his team LOSES the Lead

i seriously hope they don't resign him for next year!

Our coach is 679-415.
I find it comical when people cry out this fire Adelman junk after losses. Who are they going to find that would be better? There isn't 10 coaches alive today who have won 675+ NBA basketball games.

 

[KingsChick]

Its kind of embarassing that he is with the kings 7 seasons and theres no title.. I have my hopes up but.. hey last night was just dreadful because of the officials.

 

[KingsChick]

what can you do.. rick just isnt one of those coaches..

 

[Heuge]

Its kind of embarassing that he is with the kings 7 seasons and theres no title.. I have my hopes up but.. hey last night was just dreadful because of the officials.

Only 3 treams have won a championship in that time...Does that mean that all 25 or so other teams ought to be embarrased as well?
I think 7 very winning seasons have been awesome. Sure I would like a championship, but I have loved the winning atmosphere around here since he became the Kings coach.

 

[Bricklayer]

Its kind of embarassing that he is with the kings 7 seasons and theres no title.. I have my hopes up but.. hey last night was just dreadful because of the officials.

Kind of embarrassing? Uh yeah.

People are utterly ridiculous on this subject. Since I have been watching NBA basketball (about 20-25 years now), NOT A SINGLE COACH HAS EVER WON A TITLE WITH A TEAM THAT WAS BUILT LIKE OURS, nor HAS A SINGLE COACH EVER WON A TITLE WITH HIS TOP PLAYERS INJURED. Not once. As in EVER. (I do not opine on what happened back in the 70's or before).

Guys who win championships have:

a) teams that are healthy
b) teams with superstar leaders
c) teams that play great defense

Phil Jackson has never won with a team like ours. Pat Riley has never won with a team like ours. Its remarkable we have gotten as close as we have. If Rick ever does pull it off with this crew he will be the FIRST and ONLY coach in the modern era to have ever won with an injury prone, offensive-minded team without superstar players.

 

[#1sacfan]

Kind of embarrassing? Uh yeah.

People are utterly ridiculous on this subject. Since I have been watching NBA basketball (about 20-25 years now), NOT A SINGLE COACH HAS EVER WON A TITLE WITH A TEAM THAT WAS BUILT LIKE OURS, nor HAS A SINGLE COACH EVER WON A TITLE WITH HIS TOP PLAYERS INJURED. Not once. As in EVER. (I do not opine on what happened back in the 70's or before).

Guys who win championships have:

a) teams that are healthy
b) teams with superstar leaders
c) teams that play great defense

Phil Jackson has never won with a team like ours. Pat Riley has never won with a team like ours. Its remarkable we have gotten as close as we have. If Rick ever does pull it off with this crew he will be the FIRST and ONLY coach in the modern era to have ever won with an injury prone, offensive-minded team without superstar players.

Have you ever stopped and read some of your posts defending Adelman. I am beginning to believe you are Smithers from the Simpsons and he is Mr. Burns to you. The guy is not a good coach, plain and simple. We had the best team in 01' and we did not win. We lost the Dallas series in 02' because he was so illogical and would not put Christie on Van Exel on defense but kept playing Bibby who was less then 100%. And last year he ruined a team that was playing so great by force-feeding an unhealthy Webber into the line-up. Please the constant defending of him is getting pathetic. He is constantly ridiculed by the media and various sports writers for a reason. The guy is not a good in game coach, plain and simple.

We had a superstar in Webb, we had rising stars such as Stojakovic and Bibby with strong support players in Divac and Christie. We had the best bench in the league so tell me, what more did he need??

I just want to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone at the same time too.

 

[VF21]

Have you ever stopped and read some of your posts defending Adelman. I am beginning to believe you are Smithers from the Simpsons and he is Mr. Burns to you. The guy is not a good coach, plain and simple. We had the best team in 01' and we did not win. We lost the Dallas series in 02' because he was so illogical and would not put Christie on Van Exel on defense but kept playing Bibby who was less then 100%. And last year he ruined a team that was playing so great by force-feeding an unhealthy Webber into the line-up. Please the constant defending of him is getting pathetic. He is constantly ridiculed by the media and various sports writers for a reason. The guy is not a good in game coach, plain and simple.

We had a superstar in Webb, we had rising stars such as Stojakovic and Bibby with strong support players in Divac and Christie. We had the best bench in the league so tell me, what more did he need??

I just want to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone at the same time too.

Very interesting but fraught with basic but very telling errors. If you're going to rant about a team or its coach, you might want to make sure you have your facts right. First of all, we did NOT have the best team in 2001. We had (arguably) the best team in 2002, when we beat the Mavericks (4 games to 1) and lost to the LA Lakers in the WCF in overtime in game 7. I'm sure you heard about it - it was in all the papers.

The next year, 2003, we took the Mavericks to 7 games AFTER losing Webber to injury in the third quarter of game 2. Again, I'm sure you must have heard about it. It, too, was in all the papers...

You act as though it is solely the coach's responsibility to not only tell the players what to do and how to do it but to actually force them to follow his instructions in every instance. Things just don't happen that way.

You can have the best coach and the best team and not win. I think that may be part of the reason they actually make the teams play the game.

He is constantly ridiculed by the media and various sports writers for a reason.

No, quite frankly he's not. He is criticized just like any other coach, but he is actually held in pretty high esteem by the vast majority of media and sports writers. In addition, top players past and present are very quick to laud Adelman.

It is your posts that are IMHO getting pathetic. It is beyond clear that you absolutely hate and detest Adelman, which is your right. But it is also clear that you cannot rise above that hate to give him any kind of credit at all which is simply ridiculous on its face.

 

[Bricklayer]

Have you ever stopped and read some of your posts defending Adelman. I am beginning to believe you are Smithers from the Simpsons and he is Mr. Burns to you. The guy is not a good coach, plain and simple. We had the best team in 01' and we did not win. We lost the Dallas series in 02' because he was so illogical and would not put Christie on Van Exel on defense but kept playing Bibby who was less then 100%. And last year he ruined a team that was playing so great by force-feeding an unhealthy Webber into the line-up. Please the constant defending of him is getting pathetic. He is constantly ridiculed by the media and various sports writers for a reason. The guy is not a good in game coach, plain and simple.

We had a superstar in Webb, we had rising stars such as Stojakovic and Bibby with strong support players in Divac and Christie. We had the best bench in the league so tell me, what more did he need??

I just want to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone at the same time too.

Let me educate you a little:

In '01:
-- Chris Webber was a superstar, or close to it. He was also NOT a superstar on the level of Shaq or Kobe, who we eventually lost to in that incredible series. It was our depth vs. the Lakers superior stars, and the stars won as they almsot always do.
-- Peja was hurt -- our #2 guy was gone. NO coach to the best of my knowledge has EVER won an NBA title with one of his two best players out. EVER. Look it up. (I will allow for the possibility of it happeneing in 1952 or some such -- I can GUARANTEE it hasn't happened in the modern era).
-- EVERY single major media outlet in the country was predicting we'd get slaughtered. Many thought we'd be swept. These were the two time defending NBA champs with two surefire Hall of Famers and the winningest coach of all time. What we did in pushing to seven was shock the world. NO)BODY expected us to do that outside of Sacramento.

In 02:
-- we were devastated by injuries all year, and then lost our superstar (your term) against a 60 win opponent. Have I emntioend that NO coahc has EVER won an NBA title with one of his top two players out? Let alone his #1 guy. EVER. Again, look it up. Michael and Pippen were healthy EVERY single playoff run. So were Magic and Kareem. So were Bird and McHale. So were Hakeem and Thorope, Hakeem and Drexler, Ducnan and Robinson and the top players of EVERY other championship team that I am aware of.

Bottomline YOU have the burden of proof. Prove to me that ANY other coach ever has won an NBA title with his top guys out. Show that it even CAN be done. Then show that it can be done with second rate stars -- we have no HOFs on this team. No indomitable superstars to take over games. NO coach has EVER won with that combination of factors in the modern history of the league at the very least. NO COACH. Look it up.

Get a clue what you are talking about, understand the history and what other coaches have actually accomplished when faced with similar circumstances, and then get back to me. NONE of the other coaches you might idolize has EVER managed to win with what Adelman has had to work with come playoff time. EVER.

 

[Geoff]

Its kind of embarassing that he is with the kings 7 seasons and theres no title.. I have my hopes up but.. hey last night was just dreadful because of the officials.

PUH-LEAZE.

Quick, name me a coach in the past 10 years who has won a championship besides Phil Jackson, Rudy Tomjanovich and Greg Popovich...


The only name left is Larry Brown, one of the greatest coaches of all time, and he won it last season not only because he's one of the GCOAT but because the Lakers blew it. It is not at all embarrasing that RA doesn't have a ring. Frustrating maybe, but he has absolutely nothing to be ashamed about. Who would you replace him with? That is the key question I want to ask everyone who says RA isn't worth anything; WHO is gonna replace him?

 

[#1sacfan]

Let me educate you a little:

In '01:
-- Chris Webber was a superstar, or close to it. He was also NOT a superstar on the level of Shaq or Kobe, who we eventually lost to in that incredible series. It was our depth vs. the Lakers superior stars, and the stars won as they almsot always do.
-- Peja was hurt -- our #2 guy was gone. NO coach to the best of my knowledge has EVER won an NBA title with one of his two best players out. EVER. Look it up. (I will allow for the possibility of it happeneing in 1952 or some such -- I can GUARANTEE it hasn't happened in the modern era).
-- EVERY single major media outlet in the country was predicting we'd get slaughtered. Many thought we'd be swept. These were the two time defending NBA champs with two surefire Hall of Famers and the winningest coach of all time. What we did in pushing to seven was shock the world. NO)BODY expected us to do that outside of Sacramento.

In 02:
-- we were devastated by injuries all year, and then lost our superstar (your term) against a 60 win opponent. Have I emntioend that NO coahc has EVER won an NBA title with one of his top two players out? Let alone his #1 guy. EVER. Again, look it up. Michael and Pippen were healthy EVERY single playoff run. So were Magic and Kareem. So were Bird and McHale. So were Hakeem and Thorope, Hakeem and Drexler, Ducnan and Robinson and the top players of EVERY other championship team that I am aware of.

Bottomline YOU have the burden of proof. Prove to me that ANY other coach ever has won an NBA title with his top guys out. Show that it even CAN be done. Then show that it can be done with second rate stars -- we have no HOFs on this team. No indomitable superstars to take over games. NO coach has EVER won with that combination of factors in the modern history of the league at the very least. NO COACH. Look it up.

Get a clue what you are talking about, understand the history and what other coaches have actually accomplished when faced with similar circumstances, and then get back to me. NONE of the other coaches you might idolize has EVER managed to win with what Adelman has had to work with come playoff time. EVER.

Listen Smithers, I did not say that he should have won a title 2002 when CWebb was out but he should have been able to get by Dallas but you ignore that. In 2001 he had the better team and lost. He brought in an unfresh player in Pedja at the end of the game and the left in Christie in OT when he was ice cold over a red hot Bobby Jackson. Those are when coaches prove there worth and he did not. And do not forget about the Pistons last year, no superstars and hardly any stars.

 

[swisshh]

There are many issues and problems with Adleman, but I don't think I'd start with his timeouts.

Though they are a part of one great fault, in game decisions. You might also want to mention player rotations, developing young players, addressing weaknesses, playing matchups and uh uhm... oh! winning in the playoffs. There hasn't been that many coaches to win a championship in the past 7 seasons, but there hasn't been as many talented teams as the Kings have had in the past 7 seasons. in 01 and 02, the Kings got screwed by refs and injuries. Though 02 is a real pisser, because we should have never lost to Dallas and we still had the defense and depth to perhaps make it even without Webber. The problem was all the issues Adleman has that I just listed. Mainly the fact we suddenly stopped using our depth when it was needed most. That's going a bit off track though. Out of the teams that have had as much talent as the Kings in those 7 years, I'd say there has been 5 others than the Kings. #1, is the Blazers who had that talent for one year and then imploded on themselves. Not a real good comparison. Next, we have the Spurs who haven't had that amount of talent every year, but the years thay have they've gotten it done. Then you have the TWolves, who just reached that lever last year so they have more chances to come. The Kings have already wasted their chances. Next is Dallas, which has had all the talent and none of the defense. Finally is the Lakers, who have the most rings out of this group. Then there is the Pistons who have less talent, but great coaching and defense.

The funny thing is the Pistons ran the fast break better than the Kings did last year. Which makes you wonder if the Kings management should have shifted more towards defense and kept the full court offense, instead of shifting to a half court offensive team and letting defense and fast breaks fall to the wayside. There's a lot of player decisions that have been a direct result of Adleman's style. We have had young, athletic and talented players, but Adleman seems to let them dwindle on the bench. Those players like Tariq, Hedo and Wallace are the type of players we need now. The shortened bench, which started towards the last half of the 02 year and into the playoffs has now become a self fulfilling prophecy. Adleman has to play a shortened bench now, because he really doesn't have anyone to put in. He actually has an excuse now. Good for him.

The Maloofs are not going to pay big contracts for players Adleman won't play. So strengths we had for years, like a good bench, like the ability to fast break, are gone because Adleman started moving away from it to become the Pete Carril traveling shooting show. The Kings have had a tumor growing for years and just this year it seems people are realizing it a bit.

 

[nAj jAn™]

Let me educate you a little:

In '01:
-- Chris Webber was a superstar, or close to it. He was also NOT a superstar on the level of Shaq or Kobe, who we eventually lost to in that incredible series. It was our depth vs. the Lakers superior stars, and the stars won as they almsot always do.
-- Peja was hurt -- our #2 guy was gone. NO coach to the best of my knowledge has EVER won an NBA title with one of his two best players out. EVER. Look it up. (I will allow for the possibility of it happeneing in 1952 or some such -- I can GUARANTEE it hasn't happened in the modern era).
-- EVERY single major media outlet in the country was predicting we'd get slaughtered. Many thought we'd be swept. These were the two time defending NBA champs with two surefire Hall of Famers and the winningest coach of all time. What we did in pushing to seven was shock the world. NO)BODY expected us to do that outside of Sacramento.

In 02:
-- we were devastated by injuries all year, and then lost our superstar (your term) against a 60 win opponent. Have I emntioend that NO coahc has EVER won an NBA title with one of his top two players out? Let alone his #1 guy. EVER. Again, look it up. Michael and Pippen were healthy EVERY single playoff run. So were Magic and Kareem. So were Bird and McHale. So were Hakeem and Thorope, Hakeem and Drexler, Ducnan and Robinson and the top players of EVERY other championship team that I am aware of.

Bottomline YOU have the burden of proof. Prove to me that ANY other coach ever has won an NBA title with his top guys out. Show that it even CAN be done. Then show that it can be done with second rate stars -- we have no HOFs on this team. No indomitable superstars to take over games. NO coach has EVER won with that combination of factors in the modern history of the league at the very least. NO COACH. Look it up.

Get a clue what you are talking about, understand the history and what other coaches have actually accomplished when faced with similar circumstances, and then get back to me. NONE of the other coaches you might idolize has EVER managed to win with what Adelman has had to work with come playoff time. EVER.

Your saying if the Kings top two players will be healthy in the playoffs, Adelman and the Kings have a chance at the title! How about last year? I know, you will answer Webber was not 100 percent...

Pistons have no superstars! They are just quite similar with the Kings except they have defense..

If Carlisle was still the coach of Pistons, could they be still a Champion.....
We don't know! If Larry Brown coached the Kings last year, could they be the Champion.....

I don't know!! Maybe at this rate they really can't win a Championship......

Just a great team every year......not a Championship team!

I just don't know, time will tell again!!!!!

 

[nAj jAn™]

Agree...

What swisshh said!!!!

 

[VF21]

This is getting ridiculous IMHO. I watched the movie Eddie last night (Tag has about 10 speaking lines in it, BTW) and at one point, it is said (with sarcasm): "Don't you know? Players win, coaches lose."

All you armchair coaches have a great time looking back and analysing what RA did wrong. I'd like to see you devote as much time to looking back and talking about what he did right. Will you? No. Why? Because he's expected to do things right...and the vast majority of the time (just look at his record if you don't believe me) he DOES make the right decisions, etc.

NBA coaching isn't brain surgery. It's more difficult. In brain surgery, you only have a certain number of factors to consider and they are usually pretty easy to recognize (as in "Oops. That artery shouldn't be spurting blood like that."). In coaching, you have the personalities and skill levels of your own players AND the opposition to consider on a nightly basis. You have to gauge how your players are feeling - both physically and emotionally. You have to do the right things to give them motivation without appearing either lackadaisical or maniacal.

Coaching in the NBA is NOT an easy job. If it were, there would be a lot more qualified coaches available when teams fire one coach and search for another.

I am personally a little tired of people who feel it's okay to constantly lambast Adelman but can't recognize just how good he is. Sure he makes mistakes. Hello? We ALL make bleepng mistakes.

I'm going to be watching the board very carefully the rest of the season. If some of the people (intentionally mentioning no names here) are really as fair as they want us to believe they are, then they should have no problem coming here after a win and giving RA the props for playing the right players at the right time, calling the right plays out of a time out that result in beautiful play and points on the board, etc. Anybody want to make any bets on how often that will happen?

 

[sloter]

Your saying if the Kings top two players will be healthy in the playoffs, Adelman and the Kings have a chance at the title! How about last year? I know, you will answer Webber was not 100 percent...

Not trying to defend Adelman or anything... but your logic here is incorrect: P implies Q is different from Not P implies Not Q.

I have solution for Adelman problem too: Send him to Warriors

 

[Rockmeister]

Name me one coach who doesn't CALL a time out before an 8-0 run by the other Team you must call a time out BEFORE you lose your lead!

(thats like bleeding but you don't call 911 to help you Instead you call em when you lost 50% of your blood and thats too late)

Don't ever compare a human life to a game. You should have picked something less extreme rather than your 2 examples.

 

[swisshh]

I am personally a little tired of people who feel it's okay to constantly lambast Adelman but can't recognize just how good he is. Sure he makes mistakes. Hello? We ALL make bleepng mistakes.

I do think Adleman is a winning coach. I just don't think he is a championship coach.

 

[PacMan]

This is getting ridiculous IMHO. I watched the movie Eddie last night (Tag has about 10 speaking lines in it, BTW) and at one point, it is said (with sarcasm): "Don't you know? Players win, coaches lose."

All you armchair coaches have a great time looking back and analysing what RA did wrong. I'd like to see you devote as much time to looking back and talking about what he did right. Will you? No. Why? Because he's expected to do things right...and the vast majority of the time (just look at his record if you don't believe me) he DOES make the right decisions, etc.

NBA coaching isn't brain surgery. It's more difficult. In brain surgery, you only have a certain number of factors to consider and they are usually pretty easy to recognize (as in "Oops. That artery shouldn't be spurting blood like that."). In coaching, you have the personalities and skill levels of your own players AND the opposition to consider on a nightly basis. You have to gauge how your players are feeling - both physically and emotionally. You have to do the right things to give them motivation without appearing either lackadaisical or maniacal.

Coaching in the NBA is NOT an easy job. If it were, there would be a lot more qualified coaches available when teams fire one coach and search for another.

I am personally a little tired of people who feel it's okay to constantly lambast Adelman but can't recognize just how good he is. Sure he makes mistakes. Hello? We ALL make bleepng mistakes.

I'm going to be watching the board very carefully the rest of the season. If some of the people (intentionally mentioning no names here) are really as fair as they want us to believe they are, then they should have no problem coming here after a win and giving RA the props for playing the right players at the right time, calling the right plays out of a time out that result in beautiful play and points on the board, etc. Anybody want to make any bets on how often that will happen?

lol, actually, i have to say brain surgery is quite hard. They dont make you spend 4 years of med school and an additional 5-6 years of training just to recognize "a few arteries"

 

[Geoff]

I do think Adleman is a winning coach. I just don't think he is a championship coach.

That is actually an interesting statement. I am not sure yet if I agree or disagree with it yet, but I would like to know what you think makes a championship coach (besides a championship). Keep in mind that players have a huge impact on who wins or loses a game as well...

 

[VF21]

lol, actually, i have to say brain surgery is quite hard. They dont make you spend 4 years of med school and an additional 5-6 years of training just to recognize "a few arteries"

That was my point. As hard as brain surgery IS, it deals with finite issues. There are only so many arteries, etc. that you have to worry about. Barring the rare exception, most brain surgeons know what they're going to do and how to do it AND they complete their surgery successfully.

NBA coaching is actually much more difficult IMHO. Arteries don't have personalities - they don't get their feelings hurt by the media or other players. Brain tissue doesn't care how many minutes it plays and who is getting more. Brain surgeons KNOW what tools they're going to have available to them and they know how those tools will act when they're called upon to perform.

Coaching is full of unknowns even when you know your players well. A superstar player can, for some reason known to no one, suddenly go ICE cold and not produce. That doesn't happen with surgical tools. And, if it happens to the surgeon, there's a backup surgeon who also knows the procedure and can step in and get the job done... And that doesn't even bring into the equation the guy sitting on the end of the OTHER bench, doing his best to make sure our coach is thwarted at every turn, that his players outplay our players, etc. Think about how difficult brain surgery would be if there was an opposing surgeon representing the tumor, blood clot, etc. to worry about!!!

My whole point was that it's really easy to criticize the coach, especially one who sits there in a suit, doesn't break a sweat, and usually looks pretty calm. If you REALLY think about it, however, there's a pretty good reason most owners don't want to fire a coach at the first sign of dissatisfaction on the part of the fans. It's because the owners know AND appreciate just how difficult the coach's job is and they're not about to do something in the heat of the moment that could affect their team for years...

I'm not naive. I know that if the Kings don't make it this year, there is a chance the Maloofs will decide to blow up the team, hire a new coach, etc. I'm just not going to be cheering about it. The Adelman years have been very, very good years for Sacramento Kings fans.

 

[Bricklayer]

I do think Adleman is a winning coach. I just don't think he is a championship coach.

Query -- 12 months ago was Larry Brown a championship coach?

No -- not even close. In fact Adelman had more consistently gotten his teams close than Brown had.

Is Lenny Wilkens a better coach than Jerry Sloan? Lenny has after all proven he is a "championship coach". For that matter, Dick Motta was a championship coach too.

Fact is that "championship coaches" are made by their players. Last year Brown quite frankly backed into the title, and they are playing like it this year. But he still doesn't get that title without the midseason trade for Rasheed, and he doesn't get it at all if he's still coaching Philly. And just about every championship coach in the modern era at least has had a first ballot HOF, First Team All-NBA player to build around and carry him to the title. Again, the names of the guys leading the championship teams: Magic, Kareem, Bird, Erving, Zeke, Jordan, Pippen, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe etc. are LEGENDARY names. Any guess how many titles those coaches would have won if you had replaced those names with lesser players?

 

[swisshh]

Query -- 12 months ago was Larry Brown a championship coach?

No, but I always thought he was. He just never stuck around long enough. When he got to Detroit the team was already built by Carlisle, so he needed less time. What signifies a championship coach? I'm not going to pretend thats easy to tell or something you can tell right away, but it certainly shows in the playoffs. More often than not, Adleman looks outcoached during the playoffs. The three coaches he's faced the most with the Kings are Phil Jackson, Don Nelson and Jerry Sloan. Sloan gets his team to slow the game down and control the flow and it helps his team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. On the other end is Nelson who gets his team to push the ball, because Sacramento is the better half court and defensive team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. Phil has just played mental games. It would be a nice step in the right direction to see the Kings actually dictate the game in the playoffs.

 

[Padrino]

No, but I always thought he was. He just never stuck around long enough. When he got to Detroit the team was already built by Carlisle, so he needed less time. What signifies a championship coach? I'm not going to pretend thats easy to tell or something you can tell right away, but it certainly shows in the playoffs. More often than not, Adleman looks outcoached during the playoffs. The three coaches he's faced the most with the Kings are Phil Jackson, Don Nelson and Jerry Sloan. Sloan gets his team to slow the game down and control the flow and it helps his team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. On the other end is Nelson who gets his team to push the ball, because Sacramento is the better half court and defensive team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. Phil has just played mental games. It would be a nice step in the right direction to see the Kings actually dictate the game in the playoffs.

im not sure how much i agree with your assessment of adleman's coaching in the playoffs, but i do like your point about the kings dictating the pace of a playoff game. the last 2 years in the playoffs, the kings have not done well in adjusting to the oppositions' adjustments, if that makes sense. in a playoff series, two teams learn how to read each other really well, cuz ya play the same team up to 7 times. so, when one team adjusts in the playoffs, the kings need to be able to respond to that. and it would be nice if the kings could force their opponents to adjust a little bit more as well. how do they do it? well, if they start playing some defense....there's a good start.

 

[VF21]

No, but I always thought he was. He just never stuck around long enough. When he got to Detroit the team was already built by Carlisle, so he needed less time. What signifies a championship coach? I'm not going to pretend thats easy to tell or something you can tell right away, but it certainly shows in the playoffs. More often than not, Adleman looks outcoached during the playoffs. The three coaches he's faced the most with the Kings are Phil Jackson, Don Nelson and Jerry Sloan. Sloan gets his team to slow the game down and control the flow and it helps his team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. On the other end is Nelson who gets his team to push the ball, because Sacramento is the better half court and defensive team. Adleman's response? Oh, okay. Phil has just played mental games. It would be a nice step in the right direction to see the Kings actually dictate the game in the playoffs.

And yet, we continue to beat both Jerry Sloan's teams and, generally, Don Nelson's teams in the playoffs. Go figure...