Adelman not in agreement with trade?

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From the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/sports/basketball/26kings.html

In High-Stakes Play, Kings Take ArtestBy JOHN ELIGON
Published: January 26, 2006

As the owners of the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas, Joe and Gavin Maloof are quick to admit that they do not shy away from risky ventures.

The Maloof brothers, who also own the Sacramento Kings, showed their affinity for high stakes yesterday by rolling the dice on a trade that sent the Indiana Pacers' volatile forward Ron Artest to Sacramento in exchange for forward Peja Stojakovic.

The move did not come without the drama typical of most things involving Artest. After a tentative agreement was reached Tuesday evening, rumors swirled that Artest said he did not want to go to Sacramento. So the Maloofs stalled the trade to talk to Artest yesterday and make sure he wanted to play for the Kings.

"We have a home in Vegas," Gavin Maloof said at Madison Square Garden yesterday before the Kings defeated the Knicks, 106-102, in overtime. "We're gamblers, so we're going to take a chance on him."

Though they said they could not be certain that Artest's erratic behavior would not resurface, the Maloofs apparently heard enough yesterday to be comfortable with jettisoning Stojakovic, the longest-tenured player on the Kings, for Artest, who has played only 23 games since the start of last season.

"We didn't know whether or not he wanted to come," Joe Maloof said. "We want somebody that wants to come to your organization, and that was our big question. That's why we wanted to talk to him for ourselves today. He said he wants to play and he wants to be in Sacramento. That's good enough for us."

In Artest, the Pacers are losing one of the best all-around players in the N.B.A. — and perhaps the league's best perimeter defender — but they are gaining perhaps its best shooter.

Stojakovic, a three-time All-Star, is scoring 16.5 points a game, down from a career-best 24.2 points in the 2003-4 season. He is a career 39.8 percent 3-point shooter.

"Obviously, we're very happy about getting a player of his caliber," the Pacers' president, Larry Bird, said in a statement posted on the team's Web site. "He's one of the best shooters in the league, and we definitely feel he can come in and help us right away."

For Stojakovic, it is a chance to leave the Kings, who are 18-24 and in last place in the Pacific Division, and return to a contender.

"We're thrilled," David Bauman, Stojakovic's agent, said in a telephone interview. "It's a new beginning. They're a playoff team."

Kings Coach Rick Adelman, whose first season as the Kings' coach was Stojakovic's rookie year, seemed less than ecstatic about the trade.

"We've been together since Day 1," Adelman said. "So when you trade a guy like that, that was tough."

Throughout the process, Adelman said, Stojakovic "seemed to become a footnote."

"And that really disturbed me," he said.

Asked if he felt the risk of trading for Artest was worth it, Adelman said: "I didn't do this. If you're going to ask that question, better ask the people who had made those decisions. I'm just going to coach the team."

Artest is set to make $6.8 million this season, and his contract runs through 2007-8, with a player option in 2008-9. Stojakovic's contract, worth around $7.5 million, expires at the end of this season, and he has an option for next season.

The Maloofs said they hoped Artest could join the team for tomorrow night's game against the Celtics in Boston. Bauman said he did not expect Stojakovic to play for the Pacers (21-20) until Tuesday's game in Washington.

Artest's departure ends the Pacers' six-week effort to deal Artest, who was benched in mid-December after demanding to be traded.

But Artest left the Pacers on a conciliatory note.

"It was a little bit emotional, just to think what you've been through with Donnie Walsh, who's such a personable person," Artest, referring to the Pacers' general manager, told Indianapolis television station WTHR. "He treats everybody like family. It was a tough day, but we both left on good terms, which is pretty cool."

Artest's history of fines and suspensions is something that the Maloofs and his new teammates seem willing to forget. What the Kings are concentrating on is his ability to score (he is averaging 19.4 points this season) and defend (2.63 steals and 4.9 rebounds). He is a one-time All-Star and a former defensive player of the year.

"He's a threat on both ends of the court," said Kings point guard Mike Bibby, who, with Stojakovic's departure, is the only King left from the 2001-2 team that made it to the Western Conference finals. "He plays good defense. Hopefully that'll rub off on everybody else."

Just going off Adelman's quotes in this article, he seems less than enthused over this transaction.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#3
Well now that Peja's gone he probably sees the writing on the wall... there might be one or two more moves made but surely he won't be back next season.
 
#4
nebs said:
What is he going to say? "Yes, the risk was worth it."
He could have said something like, "You don't know at this point, both players bring certian things to the game but ron artest is a talented player blah blah blah," instead of what he chose to say. Maybe it came across different live, but in writing it doesnt have the best tone to it.

Makes me wonder how Adelman is going to handle Artest when he comes if he isnt really in agreement with him being there. Could start things off on the wrong foot between the two. Again, Adelman could have some glowing quotes regarding the trade out there, I am just going off this article.
 
#5
He is gone anyway, if this team starts winning now they will just wait until the season for his contract to expire. If they are still losing they will fire him. So no matter what he is gone.
 
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target said:
He could have said something like, "You don't know at this point, both players bring certian things to the game but ron artest is a talented player blah blah blah," instead of what he chose to say. Maybe it came across different live, but in writing it doesnt have the best tone to it.

Makes me wonder how Adelman is going to handle Artest when he comes if he isnt really in agreement with him being there. Could start things off on the wrong foot between the two. Again, Adelman could have some glowing quotes regarding the trade out there, I am just going off this article.
I figure he was being grilled and was just like... I don't friggin know if this gamble will pay off. I'm the coach. Ask the people who made the deal if it was worth it.
 
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I don't think Adelman was saying anything. It wasn't his decision. Most NBA guys don't state their personal opinions on what mgmt does in public, if they're smart.

Coaching Artest has got to be harder than coaching Peja. Even if Artest doesn't screw up at all, the coaching staff always knows he is one wacky impulse away from totally screwing up. RA can't be happy about that, hopefully winning more games will make up for it.
 

VF21

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Asked if he felt the risk of trading for Artest was worth it, Adelman said: "I didn't do this. If you're going to ask that question, better ask the people who had made those decisions. I'm just going to coach the team."
target - I certainly don't see where you get that Adelman wasn't in agreement with the trade. Way too much analysis is done of quotes in articles, IMHO. We don't know the context of the quote, and from what I see, I'm not seeing anything that indicates how Adelman feels one way or the other NOR WOULD I EXPECT TO.

Adelman is not going to come out and say he didn't agree with the trade, even if he hated it. You can read extra stuff into that quote if you like, but I think you're WAY off target.

Rick will coach the players he has. Always has, always will. He is too professional to make any private opinions he has public one way or the other.

Bottom line to me is that the entire universe knew something had to be done to this team. Now it's been done. And we'll see what happens.

Again, Adelman didn't say he wasn't in agreement in any way, shape or form. What he said is pretty much exactly what he meant. He didn't make the trade. It's not his job to make trades or comment on them. He's just going to coach the team. That's what he said, and I really see no reason to try and read anything more into it.
 
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Those are also quotes Coach made during the 24 hr debacle period. They are taken out of context and were copied from another source. These are not direct quotes to the NY times as far as I can see.
 

Bricklayer

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Whether he agreed with the trade or not, it continues to be evident just how mentally checked out Rick is with the powers that be. He is not always on the same page with the front office, and really isn't particularly worried about expressing that anymore. Not an open feud. But just almost a vague disapproval/disgust. And certainly a devil may care attitude -- kind of like "what's the worst they can do? Fire me? Gonna leave anyway" type attitude.
 

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#13
Interesting take, Brick - but, if anything, I think Adelman is more fed up with the constant stupidity and moronic level of questions he continues to get from the media. And lord knows I cannot blame him.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Whether he agreed with the trade or not, it continues to be evident just how mentally checked out Rick is with the powers that be. He is not always on the same page with the front office, and really isn't particularly worried about expressing that anymore. Not an open feud. But just almost a vague disapproval/disgust. And certainly a devil may care attitude -- kind of like "what's the worst they can do? Fire me? Gonna leave anyway" type attitude.


I think Brick may have it. Not too long Adelman had a terrific team. He's seen it "shaked and baked" (his words at one point I think) into complete chaos. Now, he's had one of his best players over the last 7 years taken away and handed a psychopath in his place. All the years of injuries and trades of truly good players is probably catching up. I'm guessing that he is disgusted.
 
#16
I think people are reading way too much into Rick's comments too. I do agree that he's been a bit more candid this year, but I think he was really unhappy with what went down last summer. The Maloofs made him look like a fool, after he expressed trust that they would tell him if something were going on. And its pretty clear to me that Rick is gone this summer (if not sooner). I think Rick has decided to leave, even if the Maloofs wanted him to stay.

Rick has really had to deal with a lot as the coach of this team. Maybe the Maloofs made this decision, but Rick is stuck with dealing with Artest every day now.
 
#17
Maybe he didn't want to disrespect Peja by saying the risk was worth it. Also, no coach will really be looking forward to coaching a player with Artest's personality.
 

Bricklayer

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Rick's loyalties are to his players first. Especially the long termers. So its no particular shock he would wnat them to be treated with respect. And of course Artest is a giant headache dumped in his lap. Makes 100% sense why he wouldn't be as gung-ho as everybody else. Might very well be the best move for the team, but its a move made in Rick's backyard. We all get to just stand back and watch.
 
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Rick didnt even meet the guy yet, he is not going to say " I friggin hate Artest, wish Peja was still here".Give it time and let them get to know each other and so what if peja has been with him since day1, its sad to see him go, thats true, but something had to go.
 
#20
Well, we all know Rick doesn't like Defensive minded players so pretty soon we will probably see Ron parked on the bench next to Skinner because of "matchups" :p
 
#21
Ryle said:
Well, we all know Rick doesn't like Defensive minded players so pretty soon we will probably see Ron parked on the bench next to Skinner because of "matchups" :p
Just like Christie for all those years right?
 
#24
pdxKingsFan said:
Well now that Peja's gone he probably sees the writing on the wall... there might be one or two more moves made but surely he won't be back next season.
People need to realise that no matter what happens, Adelman doesn't want to be here past his current contract. There is just too much bad blood between him and the Maloofs. He was really disrespected and hurt when the Maloofs talked to Phil Jackson during the off-season and that was the final straw for Rick. He didn't like how Maloofs hadled this Pedja-Artest trade and he even made a comment to the bee about how he thougth it was inapporptiate that Maloofs leaked the deal on ESPN before it even happened and let Pedja find out that way.

Maloofs can offer Adelman a great contract right this second and Rick will not sign it. He is on his way out and its by his choice.
 
#25
Čarolija said:
People need to realise that no matter what happens, Adelman doesn't want to be here past his current contract. There is just too much bad blood between him and the Maloofs. He was really disrespected and hurt when the Maloofs talked to Phil Jackson during the off-season and that was the final straw for Rick. He didn't like how Maloofs hadled this Pedja-Artest trade and he even made a comment to the bee about how he thougth it was inapporptiate that Maloofs leaked the deal on ESPN before it even happened and let Pedja find out that way.

Maloofs can offer Adelman a great contract right this second and Rick will not sign it. He is on his way out and its by his choice.

What gives you this idea? You telekenetic?

I wouldnt be surprised if he signed an extension. we will find out in a few months.
 
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Ryle said:
Well, we all know Rick doesn't like Defensive minded players so pretty soon we will probably see Ron parked on the bench next to Skinner because of "matchups" :p
Yeah he will be parked in the Doug Christie's doghouse :rolleyes:
 
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slugking50 said:
What gives you this idea? You telekenetic?

I wouldnt be surprised if he signed an extension. we will find out in a few months.
I am not telekenetic but I am not blind either.

I would be prepared to ut my house on this because its as clear as daylight. Even Rick himself said a couple of times that its not about what Maloofs will do but what Rick will do.

A coach of Adelman's caliber will always have a head coaching role in the NBA.
 
#28
Bricklayer said:
Whether he agreed with the trade or not, it continues to be evident just how mentally checked out Rick is with the powers that be. He is not always on the same page with the front office, and really isn't particularly worried about expressing that anymore. Not an open feud. But just almost a vague disapproval/disgust. And certainly a devil may care attitude -- kind of like "what's the worst they can do? Fire me? Gonna leave anyway" type attitude.
Agreed. Lame duck coach, underachieving team, glass is half empty take.

I think the Artest aquisition is the validation - the beginning of the end of Adelman's Kings career.
 
#29
He was posed the question, which media tends to "force" on people because that question "sells": The only positive remark based on a question like that is a positive answer. Unfortunately its negative coming from a negative or a neutral answer. Ricks was neutral, and those can be manipulated and misconstrued.