Abdur-Rahim and Salmons for Dalembert

[pinoy_king]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -7.7 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and -3.8 apg.

Incoming Players Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
10.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 30.9 minutes Outgoing Players John Salmons
6-6 SG from Miami-Fla.
8.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.2 apg in 27.1 minutes Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 25.1 minutes


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +7.7 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and +3.8 apg.

Incoming Players John Salmons
6-6 SG from Miami-Fla.
8.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.2 apg in 27.1 minutes Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 25.1 minutes Outgoing Players Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
10.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 30.9 minutes

 

[Dime Dropper]

While we're at it we should trade Bibby for Deron Williams, Garcia for Lebron and Miller for Dwight Howard. Not sure whether salaries would work though.

 

[Spike]

Why do we do this? Dalembert hasn't done much in Philly to make me think this is an upgrade. We're logjammed at the PF/C position. Philly doesn't want Salmons (they already had him), and they're going young as well, so SAR doesn't make sense.

Not to sound too much like an ogre, I just wanted some justification. Do we gain cap space?

 

[VF21]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -7.7 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and -3.8 apg.

Incoming Players Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
10.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 30.9 minutes Outgoing Players John Salmons
6-6 SG from Miami-Fla.
8.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.2 apg in 27.1 minutes Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 25.1 minutes


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +7.7 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and +3.8 apg.

Incoming Players John Salmons
6-6 SG from Miami-Fla.
8.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.2 apg in 27.1 minutes Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 25.1 minutes Outgoing Players Samuel Dalembert
6-11 C from Seton Hall
10.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 30.9 minutes

First, welcome to Kingsfans.com

Now just a little tip. If you're going to post a trade scenario, at least take the time to justify it. Say WHY you think both teams would do it and what the benefits and drawbacks would be.

No offense, but anyone can plug names into the realGM trade checker and find deals that work mathematically. We're asking people to step it up and take their ideas to the next level.

Thanks.

 

[D-Mass]

Let's see...that would give us....FIVE 7-footers???


EDIT: Dalembert's listed at 6'11"...but that's close enough to make my point, right???

 

[VF21]

No. What's the matter with you?

Dalembert is only 6'11".

 

[kingzzzfan4ever]

I wouldn't mind having Dalembert on the Kings. It's better than an aging SAR and a Swingman. In today's NBA, it's wise to have an abundance of big men. That means Kings would have Williams, Miller, Hawes, Moore, and Dalembert. I'd say that's an abundance of big men. Just in case one goes down, another can take their place. It would be an act of God if you could trade KT back to the Sixers.

 

[pinoy_king]

thanks VF21.. ill make it better next time

 

[Tommy_B]

The Case For Dalembert

While There are those Who foolishly make this argument that Dalembert is Not an Upgrade,May I remind you that he is under 30, a better Rebounder and Shotblocker than Brad Miller(or any of our guy's for that matter) and he has already played on a Championship Squad under Larry Brown. I would not trade Salmons Though. all trades will have to be 3 or 4 way deals.

Here is my solution.
send Brad Miller(+ 08' 1st round Draft Pick) to Charlotte
--- Miller would give Charllote a Big Man who can score & pass the ball
Charllote sends Emecka Okafor to Philadelphia(+$)
--- Okafor would fill the void left by Dalembert but more importantly could be a team leader
Philadelphia Sends Dalembert to Sacramento
--- Dalembert together with Artest could form a mighty duo for the King's

 

[VF21]

And WHY would Charlotte agree to do that? Sorry, but that's not a solution. It's a pipe dream.

Remember, if you're going to post this stuff, give the breakdown objectively on why each team would do it.

 

[SacKings7]

While There are those Who foolishly make this argument that Dalembert is Not an Upgrade,May I remind you that he is under 30, a better Rebounder and Shotblocker than Brad Miller(or any of our guy's for that matter) and he has already played on a Championship Squad under Larry Brown. I would not trade Salmons Though. all trades will have to be 3 or 4 way deals.

Here is my solution.
send Brad Miller to Charlotte
Charllote sends Emecka Okafor to Philadelphia(+ ?)
Philadelphia Sends Dalembert to Sacramento

Wow...no way Charlotte agrees to that. Even if somehow they did...cut Philly out of the trade altogether and send Okafor to us

 

[Spike]

While There are those Who foolishly make this argument that Dalembert is Not an Upgrade,May I remind you that he is under 30, a better Rebounder and Shotblocker than Brad Miller(or any of our guy's for that matter) and he has already played on a Championship Squad under Larry Brown. I would not trade Salmons Though. all trades will have to be 3 or 4 way deals.

Here is my solution.
send Brad Miller to Charlotte
Charllote sends Emecka Okafor to Philadelphia(+ ?)
Philadelphia Sends Dalembert to Sacramento

No way the cash works out. Try again.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

While There are those Who foolishly make this argument that Dalembert is Not an Upgrade,May I remind you that he is under 30, a better Rebounder and Shotblocker than Brad Miller(or any of our guy's for that matter) and he has already played on a Championship Squad under Larry Brown. I would not trade Salmons Though. all trades will have to be 3 or 4 way deals.

Here is my solution.
send Brad Miller to Charlotte
Charllote sends Emecka Okafor to Philadelphia(+ ?)
Philadelphia Sends Dalembert to Sacramento

wtf, no way charlotte does that AND the salaries don't match.

 

[SacKings7]

wtf, no way charlotte does that AND the salaries don't match.

If Charlotte is still under the cap (probably not with the J-Rich trade and Wallace signing), then the salaries don't have to match (for them)

 

[Big Cuz 15]

If Charlotte is still under the cap (probably not with the J-Rich trade and Wallace signing), then the salaries don't have to match (for them)

true. no f'ng way does charlotte do this. they get bent over on the kitchen table with this deal.

can someone put some logic behind some of these deals? while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard.

 

[Tommy_B]

"while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard".

Boy You guy's are trying to make me out to be the MaDD Hatter or Something?

On the other hand, how many of you would-be Nostrodames' could have foretold naree 72 hours ago thy trade of the all mighty Garnett to the once proud now mouribound Celtic's... upon consideration of this factioed my scenarieo, while lacking some further details would not be so far fetched as you may make it out to be , OH Wise Gents.

 

[Packt]

"while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard".

Boy You guy's are trying to make me out to be the MaDD Hatter or Something?

On the other hand, how many of you would-be Nostrodames' could have foretold naree 72 hours ago thy trade of the all mighty Garnett to the once proud now mouribound Celtic's... upon consideration of this factioed my scenarieo, while lacking some further details would not be so far fetched as you may make it out to be , OH Wise Gents.

Garnett's been on the block all summer, if not longer. Talk only quiet down for a minute right before the rumblings emerged again.

Why would Charlotte trade a young center for an old, non-rebounding, non-defending center?

 

[VF21]

"while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard".

Boy You guy's are trying to make me out to be the MaDD Hatter or Something?

On the other hand, how many of you would-be Nostrodames' could have foretold naree 72 hours ago thy trade of the all mighty Garnett to the once proud now mouribound Celtic's... upon consideration of this factioed my scenarieo, while lacking some further details would not be so far fetched as you may make it out to be , OH Wise Gents.

Erm, what?

Dude, this is a message board. You put out a trade scenario, especially one as weak as what you proposed and you're gonna have to expect it to be shot down.

And, BTW? Could you answer the question of why exactly Charlotte would do the deal you've proposed?

 

[DaMan]

"while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard".

Boy You guy's are trying to make me out to be the MaDD Hatter or Something?

On the other hand, how many of you would-be Nostrodames' could have foretold naree 72 hours ago thy trade of the all mighty Garnett to the once proud now mouribound Celtic's... upon consideration of this factioed my scenarieo, while lacking some further details would not be so far fetched as you may make it out to be , OH Wise Gents.

Because the Minn/boston trade does actually make sense while yours does not, simple as is. The Wolves are in rebuilding mode took a whole bunch of young guys, draft picks and expring for future building blocks while boston is in a win now mold and takes KG.

But in your trade you take 3 bad trade partners because they are rebuilding and are all looking for the same thing (young players, expiring contracts, and picks). So the only team that acturally wins are Sixers because they lose the big contract in Sam and gain a young Big on the rise in Okafor. Char loses the most because they gain a guy, in Brad, who is aging and has a big contract while in the same process loses a younger player, in Okafor, who still could get better. While the kings do gain a relatively young player in Sam, but still has not earned the 10 million he is getting from Philiy. So for a team like Sac who should be in cost cutting mold a move for Sam would not be a good one.

So that is why your trade is getting bashed so hard.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

While There are those Who foolishly make this argument that Dalembert is Not an Upgrade,May I remind you that he is under 30, a better Rebounder and Shotblocker than Brad Miller(or any of our guy's for that matter) and he has already played on a Championship Squad under Larry Brown. I would not trade Salmons Though. all trades will have to be 3 or 4 way deals.

Here is my solution.
send Brad Miller(+ 08' 1st round Draft Pick) to Charlotte
--- Miller would give Charllote a Big Man who can score & pass the ball
Charllote sends Emecka Okafor to Philadelphia(+$)
--- Okafor would fill the void left by Dalembert but more importantly could be a team leader
Philadelphia Sends Dalembert to Sacramento
--- Dalembert together with Artest could form a mighty duo for the King's

dalembert is not worth a 08 1st round pick. we're probably going to be in the lottery and will have a chance to pick a guy that will be a part of the kings future.

 

[SacKings7]

"while we're at it, lets trade kenny thomas & reef for dwight howard".

Boy You guy's are trying to make me out to be the MaDD Hatter or Something?

On the other hand, how many of you would-be Nostrodames' could have foretold naree 72 hours ago thy trade of the all mighty Garnett to the once proud now mouribound Celtic's... upon consideration of this factioed my scenarieo, while lacking some further details would not be so far fetched as you may make it out to be , OH Wise Gents.

Minnesota got a hell of a deal for Garnett. Big expiring, young Pf/c (already putting up good stats), 2 young sfs, young pg, and 2 1st's.

In your trade, we send Charlotte an overpaid 30 yr old center who doesn't play defense for their younger, better center. As I said before, it'd make more sense for US if you simply cut philly out of the deal altogether, but Charlotte won't do that deal either way.

 

[Tommy_B]

Ok, If you could not detect the humor from my use of Shakespearan tounge I will not hold it aginst you. To take all this Seriously for one moment. Why would charlotte do this...Brad Miller (Good passer, Good Shooter) Morrison,Wallace,Felton ? sometimes in sports the most logical move is not the Best... let me explian. While Okafor is a great young Defensive talent Charlotte appears to be going in a direction that is more scoring oriented(ala Phoniex) and while Okafor is affordabel now in 2 years he will go for all he can get by then Mike Jordan may want to have a Championship cotending team with a few experianced vets(like Miller) as opposed to less experianced guys.

You Have to think like a GM not for now but 2-3 years down the road, Jordan wants to be putting some proven talent around Wallace, Morrison ect. I understant, this argument runs counter to your understanding, but stranger things have happened?

 

[TaxMan]

Ok, If you could not detect the humor from my use of Shakespearan tounge I will not hold it aginst you. To take all this Seriously for one moment. Why would charlotte do this...Brad Miller (Good passer, Good Shooter) Morrison,Wallace,Felton ? sometimes in sports the most logical move is not the Best... let me explian. While Okafor is a great young Defensive talent Charlotte appears to be going in a direction that is more scoring oriented(ala Phoniex) and while Okafor is affordabel now in 2 years he will go for all he can get by then Mike Jordan may want to have a Championship cotending team with a few experianced vets(like Miller) as opposed to less experianced guys.

You Have to think like a GM not for now but 2-3 years down the road, Jordan wants to be putting some proven talent around Wallace, Morrison ect. I understant, this argument runs counter to your understanding, but stranger things have happened?

If I have to think like a GM planning for the next 2-3 years, that makes your argument even more poor. While many are for some reason down on Okafor, he is a budding all-star quality center (especially in the east). Miller is obviously over the hill as it is. In 2 to 3 years....I shudder to think. I can possibly see a scenario where we get a young talented player for Miller if a team is looking to win right now and believes Miller makes them a championship caliber offense, but there is no way a young, growing team like the Bobcats do this, ESPECIALLY when they consider the ramifications in 2-3 years. I think everyone understands anything is possible, but you have to admit this one is a pipe-dream.