piksi
Hall of Famer
I actually saw it. Pretty funny too. Even better than schooling Mello.
76ers Struggle, Stunned By FC Barcelona
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I actually saw it. Pretty funny too. Even better than schooling Mello.
So why don't they?!
Why do they continually come up short against international players in recent times?!
Believe it or not it might actually have something to do with the fact that those "euro goobers" as you so intelligently like to call them can actually play the game and have better fundamentals that these USA "ballers"
Like Brick said - main readon being that every time they playa Euro team it is a group of All-Stars that get thrown together a couple weeks before. No team cohesion or carryover from one year to the next. A real NBA team not just starting training camp would probably squash most Euro teams without blinking, or at least breaking a heavy sweat.
They also haven't tried to build a good mix of stars, shooters, defensive players, and role-players yet.
Edit - as for the other part - yes, many Euros have much more well-rounded games (passing, dribbling, etc) but the talent level still isn't there to make them truly competitive yet against the NBA. One reason being, if they are that good, they are in the NBA.
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Kev.in
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Maybe it's the same reason that they sent a good European team to play a crap US team: It's a meaningless preseason exhibition. It's about the gesture, not the game or who wins. But naw, we get to see Eurobasketball internet geeks get excited because some team beat the Sixers. Oh no, that proves it!
But wait, NBA teams just won 3 straight against the Euros. How dramatic, with each day the dominance over international basketball competition shifts from continent to continent! lol
sloter
Starter
Or like foreign dependent Mavs, Phoenix and Spurs did to everyone in the West. LOL
piksi
Hall of Famer
bozzwell
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Wow, this is a great thread for me to return from my sabbatical even though TDOS is still in force!
I would like to thank everybody contributing here, specially piksi for providing quality bait, Brick for providing strong argument with 50% facts and 50% attitude, Sixers for sucking hard, Clippers for being well Clippers and CSKA for showing that Yankees are not the only team that can buy success.
Can't wait for Euro NBA expansion! Woohooo!
I would like to thank everybody contributing here, specially piksi for providing quality bait, Brick for providing strong argument with 50% facts and 50% attitude, Sixers for sucking hard, Clippers for being well Clippers and CSKA for showing that Yankees are not the only team that can buy success.
Can't wait for Euro NBA expansion! Woohooo!
Padrino
All-Star
i don't know much about euro basketball...but lemme ask you euro ball fans this: would a professional european basketball team be able to stick it out 82 games in the nba? are these single game exhibitions which they are clearly hyped up for that good of an indication of how level the playing field is? i'm asking cuz i honestly don't know. i'm not convinced that a euro team could hack it when thrown into the fire amongst nba teams, but i don't have much to base that assumption off of.
bozzwell
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Top teams would probably adapt really quickly. They are filled with players who have to play for their NT as well and they usually play in at least two leagues (national league and Euroleague or ULEB league) as well as national cup competitions (knock out tournaments). That will put their players on same pace as an average NBA player for games per year. Besides, in Europe you practice much, much more throughout the year which in some way compensates even if you are not on a top team.
Just look at the Euros in the NBA. Most of them adapt to 82 game season really quickly and then they also have to play for their NT in the summer.
Actually CSKA acted like Yankees a couple seasons ago and that only allowed them to be in Final Four and lose in semifinals. Now they reduced their expenses a bit and in the first year they won Euroleague. Maybe that has more to do with Ettore Messina.
Clippers looked like they just have to spend these 2 hours of their lives somehow, especially Brand and Cassell.
Peja
Bench
Serbian team Red Star played 62 games last season.Teams in Europe are playing in national championship,national cup,regional league(teams from southeastern europe are playing it) and euro competition...So it's not such a big deal...
Variant
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Does piksi come off to anyone else as having short man's syndrome?
I mean, pretty much everyone here agrees that Euro talent is right up there nowadays, but he keeps beating this thing like a dead horse.
Fellow Kings fan or not, just give it a rest man.
Plus, when talent levels are closer to even, I don't see how this type of thing is a surprise anymore. The NBA champs last year lost to many a team that they shouldn't have... does that mean they are worse than those teams? Of course not.
Why is it a stretch that a lower-echelon NBA team at the beginning of its training camp could lose a game to a pro team from Europe?
I swear... sure am glad we didn't have Bulls fans in here a few years back when the Kings were good and would lose to the likes of them...
I mean, pretty much everyone here agrees that Euro talent is right up there nowadays, but he keeps beating this thing like a dead horse.
Fellow Kings fan or not, just give it a rest man.
Plus, when talent levels are closer to even, I don't see how this type of thing is a surprise anymore. The NBA champs last year lost to many a team that they shouldn't have... does that mean they are worse than those teams? Of course not.
Why is it a stretch that a lower-echelon NBA team at the beginning of its training camp could lose a game to a pro team from Europe?
I swear... sure am glad we didn't have Bulls fans in here a few years back when the Kings were good and would lose to the likes of them...
I was at a coaching conference this past weekend in DC. Hubie Brown was a speaker, among others. He brought up the USA game vs. Greece. The short version: they kept USA on the perimeter, and we had no "team skill" to move the ball inside. (Of course, Hubie used more colorful words.) Other coaches mentioned over and over that the US has great dribblers and dunkers, but everything else is lacking.
True, this is a team in NBA preseason, but the excuses get tiresome. If you're a student of the game, it DOESN'T matter what time of year it is. Missing free-throws is inexcuseable. When will we admit that we don't perform well on the international scale and just man up and work harder, instead of expecting to "out-athlete" other teams?
Now I'm spent. Thanks for your time.
True, this is a team in NBA preseason, but the excuses get tiresome. If you're a student of the game, it DOESN'T matter what time of year it is. Missing free-throws is inexcuseable. When will we admit that we don't perform well on the international scale and just man up and work harder, instead of expecting to "out-athlete" other teams?
Now I'm spent. Thanks for your time.
piksi
Hall of Famer
If there is ANYTHING Kings fans should know and appreciate, it's those five highlighted words. They cost us the WC championship and a shot at the NBA title.
Missing free-throws is inexcuseable.
Coach Musselman seems to believe in this mantra, since the entire team had to run wind sprints because Lou Amundson missed a consecutive number of free throws in practice.
Free throws are FREE. Players that don't think they're as important as that show-time dunk or that snazzy alley-oop kill their teams at critical times.
sloter
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Yeah, i like that. And if you miss them in practice, what are the chances that you'll make them in a game... or in a game that matters when it matters...
So, let me see if I have this right: when the international teams beat the NBA teams, and NBA fans attribute it to 1) not the best NBA teams losing, and 2) not enough prep time, then the NBA fans are just making excuses, right? It's just arrogance stemming from ignorance, right? And, of course, that made "front page news" here at KingsFans when the NBA teams lost... But, when the NBA teams win, it gets no mention, and/or not the best Euro teams/not enough prep time suddenly become valid explanations? How does that work again?
Anyway, I'm just bumping this thread since Phila beat CSKA Moscow today. I figured that, since so much was made out of the Sixers losing, then the least that we could do here is give them equal time when they bounce back and defeat the Euroleague champions.
Unless, of course, someone wants to come in and say how that win is somehow not legitimate...
Anyway, I'm just bumping this thread since Phila beat CSKA Moscow today. I figured that, since so much was made out of the Sixers losing, then the least that we could do here is give them equal time when they bounce back and defeat the Euroleague champions.
Unless, of course, someone wants to come in and say how that win is somehow not legitimate...
Variant
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Since the 76ers obliterated the Euro champs in a preseason game after about two weeks of practice, I think we can CLEARLY conclude:
1. The 76ers are better than the Clippers.
2. Barcelona is clearly better than CKSA.
3. And of course, Euro basketball >>>>>>>>>>>> NBA basketball!!
Right????
1. The 76ers are better than the Clippers.
2. Barcelona is clearly better than CKSA.
3. And of course, Euro basketball >>>>>>>>>>>> NBA basketball!!
Right????
DaMan
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Since the 76ers obliterated the Euro champs in a preseason game after about two weeks of practice, I think we can CLEARLY conclude:
1. The 76ers are better than the Clippers.
2. Barcelona is clearly better than CKSA.
3. And of course, Euro basketball >>>>>>>>>>>> NBA basketball!!
Right????
And don't forget that the sixers are better then the suns also, lol. But being serious, nba teams don't take these games seriously to them its just another preseason game.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Here is the simple wrapup to this silly anual blowup -- the 76ers (or any NBA team, heck any professinal basketball team anywhere) are probably at LEAST 20pts better a month into the season than they are a week into preseason. You don't just walk onto the court off your summer vacation and "voila!" be anything approaching cohesive, sharp, anything really. And so hence you get all of the sloppiness that is ALWAYS there in preseason games being predictably displayed by the NBA teams. Meanwhile the European teams (or Chinese, or wherever) are playing real games and have been since mid Sept in most cases (I believe). And if you don't think that that makes an absolutely decisive difference then frankly you are looking at it with an agenda.
Kev.in
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This is funny. On the first couple of pages, these games actually mattered to certain individuals. Now the team that played like "who cares?" and was the cause of this thread is the winner and certain individuals have decided these games don't mean quite as much as they did last week.
lol
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