Joshyjosh31
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Grown ass man letting his wife talk to Monk like that embarrassing my wife wouldn’t need to go up to someone like that regardless of what was said
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Grown ass man letting his wife talk to Monk like that embarrassing my wife wouldn’t need to go up to someone like that regardless of what was said
Joshyjosh31
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The NBA won’t clean up our mess and the Buss family was respected
SacTownKid
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For that maybe but since Amicks's been doing this I think it's safe to say he's likely got some decent depth in terms of agent sources too. Likely more and some team sources I'd bet as well.
Tetsujin
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Kid has pretty much produced every single time he’s seen time on the court for the Kings. I just don’t get where this bust narrative is coming from.
Makaveli
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I never said he was a bust. Bust is usually a term for major talent that never produced. Carter is not major talent. He is frank Mason level.
ockingsfan
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Yeah, I think Fox will be in for a rude awakening. The Kings literally built the team around him and he had mild to moderate success.
SA is not going to build the team around him. He’s going to be a moving piece for them. Either he gets less than the max contract (by millions) or he gets that max and the Spurs fans will turn on him, with his taking plays off and lackadaisical, less than max worthy play.
Either way, I don’t thinks it’s going to be that fairly tale ride he was banking on when he demanded the trade to SA.
I'll be coming back to this post, down the line
Sabonis hasn't said anything. This is coming from the Fox camp. Sabonis re-signed. At a discount. Please let's not turn on him because the Fox people were selling a story in front of Fox's first homecoming game.
Domas also proves it on the court every single game. To me, he's earned the right to get clarity from the FO, if that's even true or not. He works his ass off every single game, whether the rest of the team is going with him or not.
I'm sure Amick has more than Rich Paul as a source but this was Fox's story.
Amick isn't just the Kings guy any more and frankly I don't think he's remotely Kings friendly at this point since our FO doesn't leak. He's just the only reporter who even covers the Kings with any credibility that has more than one source.
Still nothing in this story jibes with what we've seen from the rest of the players who appear bought in to the team mentality right now.
That said I'm sure Domas may have some adjustments to make and may not love all of them but if the team is winning I think he is going to play through them. This team didn't trade Fox for a tear down, but if the wheels fall off I am sure we will do so and treat Domas with the same respect he has shown us.
All that said I don't think anyone could look at the moves after the Fox trade and think this team was throwing in the towel.
Whether or not he likes playing with LaVine is TBD but if it is winning basketball I think both will adapt. They are pros.
This is insanity.
SLAB
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Lmao that’s some A+ level scouting my guy! I hope the Kings bring you aboard.
For sure, but when you're the 200 mil franchise player and your HC is fired mid-season and your co-star franchise player is traded in that same season, there probably needs to be a discussion about the direction of the franchise in the off-season. If we say the 4 most important people in this franchise (sans Vivek) were Monte/Brown/Fox/Domas and 2 of those guys are fired/traded within a month of each other?
Like I said, it's all sort of just working itself out, somehow, someway. The new role player additions look incredible. LaVine looks like Mitch Richmond 2.0. We've been nothing but excellent under Christie.
ockingsfan
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I’ve said this many, many times. Even when Fox was still here, I felt that Monk is the heart of this team. He’s the guy that makes this team beat and gives them that swag.
All of that happens with every player though, I'm specifically addressing the fact this story was put out by Fox's camp in a way to make it seem that Fox was not alone in wanting out and being dissatisfied with the organization. We have not seen anything to suggest that with Domas.
Makaveli
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I get it we over value young players on this team as fans. But geez you guys act like Carter has shown you something? Like what? I am guilty as well I overvalued Fox because he was what? Fast I guess lavine shed light on that for me. In fans eyes Derozen was overaged no defense has been and lavine was overpaid chucker. My eyes have been opened.
You declaring that it doesn't count unless the coach was fired mid-season and then accusing me of placing qualifiers on the criteria without a trace of irony is delicious. It might sound different to you, but it isn't.
The funny thing is, I didn't even count Don Nelson: I looked at his record and his biography and gave him the benefit of the doubt on a couple of those. But you did sort of conveniently leave out and/or no-sell:
Bernie Bickerstaff - fired 5 times
Kevin Loughery - fired 5 times
Tom Nissalke - fired 5 times*
Lenny Wilkens - fired 5 times**
You also undersold Alvin Gentry - fired 6 (not 4) times and Dick Motta - fired 5 (not 4) times. Mike Brown is, at worst, in something like a seven-way tie for ninth place.
* Giving him the benefit of the doubt on two of his dismissals, he still appears to have been fired 5 times, including twice being fired mid-season
** Unless you want to believe the lie that he just happened to "resign" after finishing the season with a losing record five different times
Should have stayed home in the kitchen, where she belongs, amirite?
Do we have audio of what was said? Entirely possible they were just playing and poking fun at each other.
Indeed. None of us really know the relationship between Monk and the Fox's, and many people who have already made up their minds about De'Aaron and Recee are ascribing the worst-possible motives behind the exchange.
Mike Brown was unceremoniously fired by the Lakers and Sac. I believe the ends of his Cleveland career came down to LeBron not wanting to play for a coach that was as demanding as he was. Initially the Cavs hired him to rebuild the team after LeBron left and then he suddenly came back.
It is my understanding that both LeBron and Kobe - with some hindsight - acknowledged that Brown was key to their career growth.
I do think that Brown was key to Keegan's development (though the system he ran at the end was hindering him on offense) and there's at least a possibility that Fox liked what Brown was doing - but it also wasn't working. Brown was challenging Fox nightly and Fox often did not respond. That's a bit of a problem if it is also impacting other players down the line and it may have been because the rest of the team appeared to quit.
As it stands I think Brown is a quite competent coach for a team at a certain point in their growth, but he's also a guy that appears to have a style that wears thin after a short time. I would probably give Malone the edge over Brown in 2025 but at the moment each coached the Kings Brown was probably indeed the best coach we have had since Adelman, while also acknowledging that bar is very low to clear. And also while just saying that Adelman was a great coach, the team was over, and it was time for everyone to move on. The issue with the post-Adelman years was the failure to understand that and do a quick rebuild, which spun and spun and spun into 17 years of nothing. It's like when your computer is stuck and you decide to wait out the spinning wheel instead of just reboot. That's what we did. We waited it out. Eventually it ran again, but even then it was slow and probably would have benefited from the reset.
I think this new look Kings will be the same, we might be better than OG Beam Team but probably have a ceiling of 2nd round playoff team, unless you just luck into the right matchup or your playoff opponent suffers an injury mid-series, etc.
It is my understanding that both LeBron and Kobe - with some hindsight - acknowledged that Brown was key to their career growth.
I do think that Brown was key to Keegan's development (though the system he ran at the end was hindering him on offense) and there's at least a possibility that Fox liked what Brown was doing - but it also wasn't working. Brown was challenging Fox nightly and Fox often did not respond. That's a bit of a problem if it is also impacting other players down the line and it may have been because the rest of the team appeared to quit.
As it stands I think Brown is a quite competent coach for a team at a certain point in their growth, but he's also a guy that appears to have a style that wears thin after a short time. I would probably give Malone the edge over Brown in 2025 but at the moment each coached the Kings Brown was probably indeed the best coach we have had since Adelman, while also acknowledging that bar is very low to clear. And also while just saying that Adelman was a great coach, the team was over, and it was time for everyone to move on. The issue with the post-Adelman years was the failure to understand that and do a quick rebuild, which spun and spun and spun into 17 years of nothing. It's like when your computer is stuck and you decide to wait out the spinning wheel instead of just reboot. That's what we did. We waited it out. Eventually it ran again, but even then it was slow and probably would have benefited from the reset.
I think this new look Kings will be the same, we might be better than OG Beam Team but probably have a ceiling of 2nd round playoff team, unless you just luck into the right matchup or your playoff opponent suffers an injury mid-series, etc.
This is definitely one of the more fair assessments of Mike Brown: acknowledges his successes without sugar-coating his flaws, and doesn't resort to revisionist history about his record.
I was excited about him coming here (it does help the other option appeared to be Mark Jackson so I deep-dived his career arc to convince myself this was good). And he worked some magic. I am absolutely at a loss why it didn't work for 3-5 years but fizzled out after 2.5. I think the Fox contract situation had something to do with it, but that doesn't really explain away what seems like a dozen other unforced errors over his tenure. I think maybe he'd be a great college coach if he had the recruiting gene in him. If I was an NBA GM I'd look pretty highly at guys who thrived under Brown.
SacTownKid
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Defense, I've posted the FG% against by range numbers myself before. Excelling in the G league is a great sign especially when you see his pick and roll game appearing to potentially translate. Per minute his rebounding is that of some centers playing the same minutes. His productivity per 48 is 20 ppg, 11 rpg, and 6 apg. That puts him right around 13th, 9th, and 11th in those 3 categories per 48 in this draft class while in a much reduced role after missing half a season. Put that together with someone that literally broke a combine record and finished near the top if not the top in multiple categories and this is finally a player on the surface that looks like a great potential payoff pick taken late in the lottery. We'll see in time. This summer is going to be a big one for all the Kings young players, especially for Carter since he hasn't even gotten a chance to participate in a real NBA strength and conditioning program. Wait until he puts on size. That's going to be the most interesting thing because he's already got innate strength.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Carter hasn’t shown a whole lot. He’s looked downright bad for the most part with the big club. Doesn’t change the fact he was a highly regarded prospect who slipped because of an injury, didn’t have a training camp, didn’t play ball for 8 months or so and then just jumped nearly straight into action.
It’s downright silly to play the eye-test on a guy who’s clearly behind the 8-ball in his readiness.
If he’s as bad and awkward looking next season after a training camp and offseason of work we can have this conversation.
Tizzy Flip
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Seriously where are you getting your information? You may want to fact check yourself. AI is a good starting point. I can show you resources but you’re making stuff up again. And no where did I say mid season firing is my qualifier for firing. Being fired is being fired. Which is different than Rick Adelman not being extended, than Mike Brown being fired mid season twice and being fired end of season twice.
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I don't want to get into an argument but using large language model AI as a research tool is absolutely not providing accurate results in my experience. It's getting better every day but it's still about as good as a high level BSer as it is using actual stat tables and reference sites to actually draw from.
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