[Game] 62/82: Kings vs. Spurs, 07 MAR 2025, 7p PT/10p ET
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Yeah, I'm aware of that. And it's one of the reasons my enthusiasm for this team is currently at an all-time low. We had a direction and a focus which should have led us to another 5+ years of winning basketball and things have taken a hard turn into the bizarro land of run and gun hero-ball and preferencing swagger over discipline and that's the same losing philosophy that (I thought) we'd just managed to escape from.
But the team might just be better because of all the players they added with Domas in the 22/23 offseason and would have potentially been successful with any coach. I like Brown but the team quit on him. They just did. And it wasn't the first time in his career that that has happened. I know we disagreed about his contract situation but I also see that as the move of a guy who knows he's already peaked or at least is playing his cards early.
I'm sorry but we're just going to disagree on this. Is LaVine the player I'd have chosen, no. But he basically replaces Fox in this regard, who had devolved into hero ball. If the leaks from Fox's camp are to be believed it was certainly Fox being given the greenlight to chase the supermax that soured the other teammates who were sacrificing for the team. At least LaVine shoots 3s at somewhere between a 10-15% better clip.
I'm honestly a bit surprised you can't enjoy this current team. They are fun to watch again.
I'm honestly a bit surprised you can't enjoy this current team. They are fun to watch again.
Nice to know we have our very own nepo baby version of Jeanie Buss in Sac with Anjali who *checks notes* had to stop GMing the G-league team because she was banging Lamb.
Ranadives are such clowns.
Anyways, hopefully Fox gets boos or snubs tonight. Screw applauding that snake.
Ok, got my hottakes out of the way early! Go Kings!
Ranadives are such clowns.
Anyways, hopefully Fox gets boos or snubs tonight. Screw applauding that snake.
Ok, got my hottakes out of the way early! Go Kings!
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If we still had Jerry Reynolds explaining in his endearing and entertaining way the value of Keegan to our fanbase every night, that would help. Jerry made the fans love the players. A good announcer can have an impact on the whole franchise. Instead we have someone in love with the sound of her voice and sounding smart to herself.
While I do think it probably was Vivek who fired Brown, Monte fell on the sword for it. I really don't want to hear what the Fox camp is leaking to Amick. He's the only remotely decent Kings reporter in the known universe but it is all player side and it's self serving and regardless of what is being said about our other players right now they seem to be fighting for this team and this town. Something the San Antonio guy did not.
That’s wild to me. The team had an incredibly flukey year one with him. Everyone was healthy. There were career years all around. Did Brown change the culture enough to make it happen? Sure, but flukes happen. Just like when the Giants won 107 games.
What happens after a fluke? Things go back to the norm. We ran it back. We got injured. Players weren’t as good. We missed the playoffs. Then the team quit on him in year three. I guess it’s pretty parallel to the Giants and Gabe Kapler.
Fluke season
Status Quo season
Quit / fired season
Is it the players fault for quitting? Brown clearly wasn’t connecting with them in a meaningful way. Brown has never had sustained success anywhere.
Brown is on that Dave Joerger level. He’s a solid coach. It absolutely isn’t franchise crippling to change directions especially once the team quits on him.
What happens after a fluke? Things go back to the norm. We ran it back. We got injured. Players weren’t as good. We missed the playoffs. Then the team quit on him in year three. I guess it’s pretty parallel to the Giants and Gabe Kapler.
Fluke season
Status Quo season
Quit / fired season
Is it the players fault for quitting? Brown clearly wasn’t connecting with them in a meaningful way. Brown has never had sustained success anywhere.
Brown is on that Dave Joerger level. He’s a solid coach. It absolutely isn’t franchise crippling to change directions especially once the team quits on him.
Just listened to Carmichael Dave reading the athletic article on fox, the ranadives and who fired brown.
Monty was against firing Brown.
So the decision was from up above and the GM is not in charge.
I remember monty saying it was his decision to fire brown. He was falling on the sword when in reality it was probably either Vivek (or maybe his daughter told him to do it)
Who knows. All I know is Vivek sucks as an NBA owner.
Monty was against firing Brown.
So the decision was from up above and the GM is not in charge.
I remember monty saying it was his decision to fire brown. He was falling on the sword when in reality it was probably either Vivek (or maybe his daughter told him to do it)
Who knows. All I know is Vivek sucks as an NBA owner.
We're not in the locker room so there's no way to know what happened vis a vis player motivation but I think that team we saw at the start of the season was playing really good basketball but they were growing frustrated (as we all were) that they weren't getting the results to show for it. Now since Coach Brown was fired the team record has been better but the metrics of overall performance (offensive rating, defensive rating, point differential) are worse. I tend to trust those metrics more as an indicator of where the team might be headed.
As to the idea that the players tuned out Mike Brown, everyone assumed Fox was one of those players at the time and he has since vehemently denied it. I understand that a hard-nosed coach can be grating for some players but other franchises have found success by actively seeking out players who will thrive in a structured environment where accountability is more than just an empty talking point and by avoiding players who are more about the lifestyle than the work. In the end as a fan I just want to see the team succeed and I feel that the approach Mike Brown had, with the full support of management and ownership, would have created a culture here similar to the ones we see in places like Miami and San Antonio. To cut bait the first time there's a bump in the road tells me (and evidently Fox as well) that there is never going to be stability here and that we're as likely as not to trade ourselves out of contention as the opposite.
As to the idea that the players tuned out Mike Brown, everyone assumed Fox was one of those players at the time and he has since vehemently denied it. I understand that a hard-nosed coach can be grating for some players but other franchises have found success by actively seeking out players who will thrive in a structured environment where accountability is more than just an empty talking point and by avoiding players who are more about the lifestyle than the work. In the end as a fan I just want to see the team succeed and I feel that the approach Mike Brown had, with the full support of management and ownership, would have created a culture here similar to the ones we see in places like Miami and San Antonio. To cut bait the first time there's a bump in the road tells me (and evidently Fox as well) that there is never going to be stability here and that we're as likely as not to trade ourselves out of contention as the opposite.
I'm an eye test and results guy and so I can appreciate where you come from with the metrics but even last year the team was not fun for me to watch. I liked the results more often than I didn't but I didn't feel it warranted a raise and extension for the coach because so much changed for the negative vs. year one which was a fun, exciting brand of basketball I loved watching.
You will say that the advanced stats don't bear out the team being better without Brown and that might be true, but I see more movement, more energy, more hustle, and more team synergy with this version of the team.
The fact that it has also translated to more wins is a nice feature though.
You will say that the advanced stats don't bear out the team being better without Brown and that might be true, but I see more movement, more energy, more hustle, and more team synergy with this version of the team.
The fact that it has also translated to more wins is a nice feature though.
I’m confused by Fox’s comments… is he saying that he told Keegan that he is leaving because he wants to play with a good wing, who is a wing?
Am I missing something here? Seems like that would be a good way to shake Keegan’s confidence to start the season to repeatedly say he needs a better wing to play with…
Am I missing something here? Seems like that would be a good way to shake Keegan’s confidence to start the season to repeatedly say he needs a better wing to play with…
The fact that Fox can’t stop talking is enough reason for me to pretend he doesn’t exist. He has definitely lied his way through the trade and afterwards, claiming innocence at every turn.
You’re not on this team anymore because you demanded it. Just shut your mouth and hoop.
I look forward to Keon harassing him for the full game. Also, that Castle kid may genuinely be the real deal. He has outplayed Fox on more than one occasion.
You’re not on this team anymore because you demanded it. Just shut your mouth and hoop.
I look forward to Keon harassing him for the full game. Also, that Castle kid may genuinely be the real deal. He has outplayed Fox on more than one occasion.
I'm going to give Fox a little more credit and think that Cam wasn't on his personal list since it's not directly quoted? Just putting it out there, Monte came to him with Johnson and Collins as trade options and he was like **** no. Get me someone you can't possibly get which was his excuse to bail. He was always going to bail, give us a break Fox, lol. He must be really concerned about getting blasted by fans tonight. This like when Vince McMahon thought getting bludgeoned by Bret Hart was going to garner him sympathy. Does Fox know what he's doing? Does Fox have it in him to be the villain?
Well he wouldn't sign an extension if we traded FRPs for those guys (my speculation but follows the leaks we are about certain came from his camp) so I think there is some truth to that while at the same time he can say us not trading for those guys is why he needed to leave.
There's clearly more to the story though given the talent we were able to bring in with Fox's departure without giving up a significant asset. Those were also the first significant moves we made since Brown's departure aside from Deebo and the whole Sasha nightmare (which is a strike against Brown, imho).
There's clearly more to the story though given the talent we were able to bring in with Fox's departure without giving up a significant asset. Those were also the first significant moves we made since Brown's departure aside from Deebo and the whole Sasha nightmare (which is a strike against Brown, imho).
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