5th pick for Darren Collison.....

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??? Thoughts?? Read somewhere that he might be available. Collison and Tyreke in the backcourt might not be too shabby.....I'm thinking if Cousins isn't available and Petrie is not high on Monroe then drafting Johnson and shipping him to NO might be a consolation prize, at any rate.
 
RealGM made it sound like they wanted to get rid of one of their terrible contracts in Okafor. I am interested, but Okafors contract is so long. I would not be willing to give up a pick if we took on his contract, of course I wouldn't be willing to give up a pick if we had to take on Peja either.
 
RealGM made it sound like they wanted to get rid of one of their terrible contracts in Okafor. I am interested, but Okafors contract is so long. I would not be willing to give up a pick if we took on his contract, of course I wouldn't be willing to give up a pick if we had to take on Peja either.
What about Noc, Garcia and the 5th for Collison and Okafor? We might be giving up too much but we are getting a potential future AS pg (Collison) and a defensive big for a pick and 2 bad contracts. I don't know if the salaries match up but just tossing something out there during TDOS....

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In order for this to truly work we would need both Collison and Evans to develop a jumper and Greene to become more consistent with his. Our backcourt might be a tad undersized, but we would have great ball handlers and a definite ability to get to the hoop and find open shooters, provided they can knock down shots or score around the hoop.
 
Okafor, Collison and #11 for Nocioni and Hawes straight up up.

They lose a couple assets, but save a ton of cash. Kings invest in Okafor by being subsidized in value with Collison and #11 for assuming that cost.


C: Okafor, Thompson
PF: Landry, Monroe, Brockman
SF: Greene, Casspi
SG: Henry, Garcia, Crawford
PG: Evans, Udrih, Collison
 
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Okafor, Collison and #11 for Nocioni and Hawes straight up up.

They lose a couple assets, but save a ton of cash. Kings invest in Okafor by being subsidized in value with Collison and #11 for assuming that cost.


C: Okafor, Thompson
PF: Landry, Monroe, Brockman
SF: Greene, Casspi
SG: Henry, Garcia, Crawford
PG: Evans, Udrih, Collison

Who is Henry? And I doubt you would have a lineup of that, more like:

C - Oke, Hawes
PF - JT, Landry
SF - Greene, Casspi
SG - Evans, Udrih/player to be named
PG - Collison, Udrih/player to be named
 
??? Thoughts?? Read somewhere that he might be available. Collison and Tyreke in the backcourt might not be too shabby.....I'm thinking if Cousins isn't available and Petrie is not high on Monroe then drafting Johnson and shipping him to NO might be a consolation prize, at any rate.
IMO, this is not too smart and way too much depending on the idea that Wesley Johnson won't be able to play SG next to Evans. And with a few potential BIGS that will be available at 5, you are wasting the pick on a point guard that we don't even need at this point in time. Collison to me will never be enough consolation prize when there really is a chance of picking up that defensive BIG that we've been needing for so long.

On your own words Collison and Evans might be a tad undersized for a back court tandem. Plus, you'll be needing both of them to develop that jumpshot ( and so is Greene ) for this to work. In essence, you are creating another problem that needs adjustments at the expense of getting that " point guard " Collison that we don't even need at this point.

And what happens now with " Evans is a point guard " and we need him to play the point to capitalize on the size-mismatch he brings that a lot of us are preaching? And why would you want to compromise size if we can very well try the very good player Wesley Johnson as SG next to Evans?

IMO, Evans + Johnson > Evans + Collison.

Disregard any man-crush on Collison and it would be easy to get smart again and remembering what kind of player we really need on this team to win. If the main point is to get Okafor, then I am okay in letting go of the 5th pick. I don't have Alzheimer's disease yet. I can still clearly remember that what we need all-season long the past season is a defensive BIG. Anything less than a defensive BIG better be a full-sized shooting guard that we also need to play next to Evans.
 
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But Hawes is included in the trade so it would have to be Okafor & Thompson at the 5
True dat, didn't look at it close enough. I was thinking if we could keep Hawes, you never know how good off the bench he could be with a defensive minded center beating up the opposing center on one end and him coming in and working them on the other end. Basically, I want to get rid of ALL of our long/high salaried players(don't count Beno, I like him) and take back fewer dead end pieces. Okafor's contract might be immovable now but he is still fairly young and has had a couple decent campaigns under his belt. One good campaign and he becomes a very movable piece. A change of scenery (maybe even coasts) and he might be a rejuvenated player.
 
Who is Henry? And I doubt you would have a lineup of that, more like:

C - Oke, Hawes
PF - JT, Landry
SF - Greene, Casspi
SG - Evans, Udrih/player to be named
PG - Collison, Udrih/player to be named

His first name is Xavior. He played for Kansas and is a projected lottery pick. Not a bad player..
 
For collison? i know he had a great season but we can get a more talented player at the 5th. remember tyreke is our point guard
 
What about Noc, Garcia and the 5th for Collison and Okafor? We might be giving up too much but we are getting a potential future AS pg (Collison) and a defensive big for a pick and 2 bad contracts. I don't know if the salaries match up but just tossing something out there during TDOS....
This would be palatable. We get our defensive BIG and dump our seemingly toxic contracts.
 
I like Collison, but this is not a good trade.


Besides, Evans is our PG. I just cannot understand why people can't accept that. Putting him at SG takes away a huge mismatch in our favour.

As for Smills proposal, there's not even a tiny chance that the Hornets would do that. So what if they save some money, they're not crazy. They could get a much better deal off another team.

Just give me Cousins. If not, then Johnson. Then I'll be happy.
 
I don't like this at all. We need a big. I want Cousins first and foremost. If Cousins is goneI would take Johnsons, and play him at sg. If not Johnson, then I'm taking Udoh or Monroe. Preferably Udoh. We need a big. If we don't draft a big, than take the BPA, which hands down would be Johnson, if Cousins is taken #4.

The last thing this team needs is a pg. I do not want to trade this pick for and undersized pg. That would be the least of our needs.
 
we lose the biggest mismatch if we play reke at SG with a small PG. reke can have his way with any small player. he gets to punish them all night long, as a result, wearing out their PG. turner would've been perfect w/ reke in the backcourt.
 
. I just cannot understand why people can't accept that. .


Oh come on, don't put me in that camp. I'm just throwing something out there to talk about, it's not going to happen obviously but it's something to talk about. I was leading the 'Tyreke IS a pg' debate all year long so don't get it twisted patna. And you know what you are getting with Collison, dude is a stud, almost a poor man's CP3. In fact, he was putting up CP3 #'s when Paul was injured, and seriously but who on this board would NOT want to pair Chris Paul and Tyreke Evans in their backcourt?
 
Oh come on, don't put me in that camp. I'm just throwing something out there to talk about, it's not going to happen obviously but it's something to talk about. I was leading the 'Tyreke IS a pg' debate all year long so don't get it twisted patna. And you know what you are getting with Collison, dude is a stud, almost a poor man's CP3. In fact, he was putting up CP3 #'s when Paul was injured, and seriously but who on this board would NOT want to pair Chris Paul and Tyreke Evans in their backcourt?

That's fair enough, but then I don't see the need for a PG. If we're going to burn assets, we have far bigger needs than PG, which is maybe the only position we're definitely set at. Collison is not Paul and never will be, so there's no point saying "Who wouldn't want a Paul/Evans backcourt".

Again, I like Collison, but there's not much point pursuing him unless you can get him on the cheap, and that's very doubtful.
 
Well I'm going to break ranks here and say that Collison is very definitely worth the #5 pick. Last year he showed he can make the short list of the best PGs in the league when given playing time, and in a couple years he could possibly be the best at his position in the league. Now the question is whether or not he would work here with Tyreke. Sure he may destroy that size difference we enjoyed but IMO that essentially makes our backcourt the same size as most in the league.

I'm not necessarily saying we should trade, but I am saying Collison is worth a 5th pick in this draft.
 
not sure collison is worth #5 but Okafor and Collison for the #5 and Hawes and Noc. Yeah id do that. Epecially if we get to #5 and Cousins is gone. Basically if Cousins is gone Before our pick I am open to trade suggestions and this is one I would go for.
 
??? Thoughts?? Read somewhere that he might be available. Collison and Tyreke in the backcourt might not be too shabby.....I'm thinking if Cousins isn't available and Petrie is not high on Monroe then drafting Johnson and shipping him to NO might be a consolation prize, at any rate.
Original post, for those who keep saying we should just draft Cousins. That is what I originally want, but......see above please.
 
Original post, for those who keep saying we should just draft Cousins. That is what I originally want, but......see above please.
It is so hard to believe that with some available BIGS and tall shooting guards available both in the draft, free agency ( or through trade ) you chose to entertain the idea of letting go of the relatively high pick #5 in exchange for the smallish point guard Collison. You even discounted the possibility of a very good Wesley Johnson playing alongside Evans as a shooting guard.

Your thread is a clear testament that you agree that Evans should be playing with another "true point guard" next to him.

I think you just have to accept that you lose your argument against section101 and ariesmar. I think an apology to them from you is not too late, for you ridiculed them strongly for their stand that Evans needs a true point guard next to him.

IMO, section101 and ariesmar clearly won their argument against you.:)
 
It is so hard to believe that with some available BIGS and tall shooting guards available both in the draft, free agency ( or through trade ) you chose to entertain the idea of letting go of the relatively high pick #5 in exchange for the smallish point guard Collison. You even discounted the possibility of a very good Wesley Johnson playing alongside Evans as a shooting guard.

Your thread is a clear testament that you agree that Evans should be playing with another "true point guard" next to him.

I think you just have to accept that you lose your argument against section101 and ariesmar. I think an apology to them from you is not too late, for you ridiculed them strongly for their stand that Evans needs a true point guard next to him.

IMO, section101 and ariesmar clearly won their argument against you.:)
Nope, not even. I think Evans can be a great pg. I just think Collison would be a great fit next to Evans and I'm very high on Collison. And section101 never argued that Evans wasn't a pg, he just kept pointing out all the negative things that might have been associated with Evans character. Gary was the one who didn't and probably still doesn't believe Evans is a pg. When I saw Collison was available I thought we could get a big and shed Noc and Garcia's contract and still score with Collison. That is in no way indicative of me thinking Tyreke can't be a pg. He was very successful at it last year especially for a rookie. I just want the BPA on my Kings team, especially the young ones. Why can't you accept that fact and move on? You always like to start **** with folks, why?
 
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