2 things the Kings should seriously consider

[Kings113]

Tyrus Thomas sounds good, but his weight is/could be a factor for the pros.

I doubt we'll be in the Aldridge/Shelden Williams area for the draft. I think we'll end up in the mid-teens area.

http://www.nbadraft.net/

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

If ,and only if, we can get Camby we'll might be the KINGS of the entire league. But I see that as impossible. CAMBY GO TO SACTOWN IF YOU WANT A RING!

 

[SacKings384]

Shelden Williams? The guy is from Duke which is awesome because those guys are taught well... But... ANOTHER undersized PF?

 

[Merdiesel]

if we do this you can forget about Kenny Thomas showing up... he would go back to his "im not starting so illl act like a b*tch" routine... i dont think we should trade Brad. We should Thomas if anyone...

 

[vladetomiller]

Both are difficult to trade until their last two years of contract

 

[Kings113]

Shelden Williams? The guy is from Duke which is awesome because those guys are taught well... But... ANOTHER undersized PF?

I'd still be perfectly happy with drafting him, but we likely won't be in the position to in June. Same for Aldridge.

 

[SacKings384]

The question in all of this is... How do we aquire one of these guys? From Tyson to Evans, we don't have the pieces to trade off. Even if we could match the salaries to make it work, why would the Bulls want the likes of a Corliss Williamson or a Brian Skinner? I would LOVE Tyson to come down. Absolutely LOVE it... The guy is a beast at blocking shots, and he is just like Camby with a little bit more inconsistency... But... I think much more attainable that Camby. Thing is, I don't really think the Kings have the pieces to pull it off...

 

[blitzology]

No

when miller comes back, start skinner alongside him....a starting 5 of miller, skinner, artest, bonzi, and bibby would be very solid on both ends...i know that typically the kings dont start anyone that isnt a great offensive player, but the kings need toughness and defense especially in the post and skinner would provide that alongside miller...

u then would have a more traditional kings style bench of SAR, KT, garcia and martin.....

now would both SAR and KT be content??? probably not...but i think it would be a much better balanced team that would actually be able to stop people and still have tons of offense on the floor....

now....a second thing....at the beginning of the second half, the kings ran a set with bonzi in the post, artest on the wing providing the entry pass, and bibby near the top of the key favoring the same side of the floor as artest and bonzi...

the result was a wide open three that bibby made....that set looked like it could be very very effective....why they never went back to it, is beyond me....

but im telling u that set is way solid with all sorts of options...and all sorts of problems for the defense...u have two wing players that most opposing wing players cant guard....which forces double downs from either bibby or artests man....

the kings need to seriously look at that set, because its potentially lethal...

Skinner can't finish buckets and can't hit his free throws. He's mostly full of brain farts and stupid mistakes =/ He's effective for 5-10 minutes of hard work to give the kings some fire power.

Kings have potential to be the 2nd best team in the West from here on out. If they make the playoffs on the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th seed side of the bracket, they have a good chance to face DAL or SAS in the WCF. These next two vs. UTA will tell me/us a lot of how serious they are about competing for the 2nd half the season.

 

[blitzology]

Kenny Thomas should start over Reef anyways. Not because he's a better player, but because the team flows better when Reef comes off the bench and not a depressed KT.

 

[Troy]

I got a better idea. How about we get rid of Brad Miller since he's slow and unathletic and put Skinner at the center position and either start Kenny or Shareef at the 4 position.

OR how about trade KT and have Reef come off the bench to backup Brad at PF and get a beastly center like Tyson Chandler or Marcus Canby, or someone who has an undeniable presence.

 

[Kings113]

I honestly wouldn't be scared of Dallas if we faced them in the playoffs

Troy, I like that idea. Wouldn't have to be Camby (can't see us getting Chandler), but if it was Camby, we'd have insurance with Skinner/Sampson.

 

[Troy]

Hahahah !! I gave Brad this whole season and all I see is him getting punished by Oliwakandi. Brad would of been great with that team that we had a few years ago with all the shooters but now we are more focused on interior defense and offense.

Brad would be much better as a PF as he essentially is right now. He has many good points, defense not being 1 of them especially guarding big men. Even a Greg Ostertag would help out a lot. In the brief time he has played with the Kings, he guard the basket well. I just hate how RA doesn't put faith in Ostertag, Skinner, or any other big man who is very defense in nature and doesn't bring much offense to the table. We really need interior help and we have enough offense. Stopping your opponent from scoring will magnify your offense and be offense in reverse (preventing points as appossed to worrying every second about scoring some more).

With a big center next to him that takes care of guarding the basket, brad does great. For the time being, like others are saying here, play Skinner and Brad at the same time, with Ron, Bonzi, and Bibby. I was really disappointed by RA's decision to start SAR at center and have Skinner again coming off the bench. Would it have killed him to start Skinner at center, KT and SAR sharing time at PF? SAR needs to get his strength back and is showing what he is made of by playing in the condition he is in (wired jaw and the 10+ lbs he has lost).

 

[Kings113]

I think starting SAR may of been a combo of speed-issues with Camby (and SAR's jumper), and becuase of Rick's offensive-bias.

Versus Utah times two, we shall see for sure. I don't like SAR at C vs. Utah, even if he was normal. Wouldn't be his fault of course, but Skinner should start these next two or three games. It's not like Skinner didn't prove he could play to Rick, just look at March-April last season, forced or not.

 

[Bricklayer]

The question in all of this is... How do we aquire one of these guys? From Tyson to Evans, we don't have the pieces to trade off. Even if we could match the salaries to make it work, why would the Bulls want the likes of a Corliss Williamson or a Brian Skinner? I would LOVE Tyson to come down. Absolutely LOVE it... The guy is a beast at blocking shots, and he is just like Camby with a little bit more inconsistency... But... I think much more attainable that Camby. Thing is, I don't really think the Kings have the pieces to pull it off...

Just have to get a third team involved, pay attention to what everybody is looking for, and who knows, all your dreams might be answered:

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eric Piatkowski
6-7 SG from Nebraska
2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 8.4 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.9 minutes
Incoming
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -5.0 ppg, -6.3 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 22.4 minutes
Incoming
Eric Piatkowski
6-7 SG from Nebraska
2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 8.4 minutes
Ronnie Price
6-2 PG from Utah Valley State
2.1 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.7 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
9.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.9 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
14.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: +20.2 ppg, +8.4 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ronnie Price
6-2 PG from Utah Valley State
2.1 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.7 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
9.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.9 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.1 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
14.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.1 minutes
Incoming
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.9 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 22.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -15.2 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[LPKingsFan]

 

[GoGoGadget]

Indeed.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Once, there was a group called Run TMC. Now, we have Run BBA.

well, I think you'd almost have to call it Run BBAM, because Kevin is growing up by leaps and bounds as each game goes on. Oh, and for the record, I think SAR needs to come off the bench, and KT needs to start, because of his style of play...he's WAY more active on both ends of the floor than SAR. Another 10pts off the bench would be the best thing. Remember when Corliss went to Detroit, and he all of a sudden had to change from career starter, to bench spark...well, that worked for the better, and he was a big reason Detroit won that title. A bench with Kevin, SAR, Skinner and Cisco/Corliss, would be incredible. But, of course, that all depends on Adelman's view on this issue. He NEEDS to freaking play Skinner...15 minutes a game would do us wonders...he's quick enough to bring in in spots at the 3, 4, and 5...matchups permitting. SAR and Kevin could give us offense, and Cisco can back up the PG position WAYYYYY better than Hart, as we have been saying all season.

 

[whozit]

Just have to get a third team involved, pay attention to what everybody is looking for, and who knows, all your dreams might be answered:

...........................

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ronnie Price
6-2 PG from Utah Valley State
2.1 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.7 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
9.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.9 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.1 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
14.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.1 minutes
Incoming
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.9 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 22.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -15.2 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Leaving:

PG: Bibby, Watson, Hart
SG: Wells
SF: Artest, Cisco, Williamson
PF: Chandler, Thomas
C: Miller, Sampson

Giving up too much for too little. Big Hole becomes multiple smaller big holes. Brick, you have had some dandies but this isn't one of them.

 

[Bricklayer]

Leaving:

PG: Bibby, Watson, Hart
SG: Wells
SF: Artest, Cisco, Williamson
PF: Chandler, Thomas
C: Miller, Sampson

Giving up too much for too little. Big Hole becomes multiple smaller big holes. Brick, you have had some dandies but this isn't one of them.

Little holes can be patched fairly easily. You don't get too many chances at the big holes.

BTW, quite obviously its Wells/Cisco/Watson/Artest at OG and Miller/Chandler/Sampson at C with Chandler/Thomas/Corliss/Sampson at PF.

Leaving:

starters: Miller/Chandler/Artest/Bonzi/Bibby
bench: Watson/Cisco/Thomas

and an athletic defensive team.

And actually we make out like bandits. Just one scoring 6th man and maybe a better backup big man from ready at that point.

 

[whozit]

Possibly. If this was the off-season. It isn't and that is probably too much change too quickly. It could easily throw thinks into turmoil. Turmoil is bad. No need to risk a chain reaction at this point.

A new leader has emerged (I think) and the team may be turning the corner. I would be hesitant to throw too much uncertainty into the equation right now. If they can get a big without throwing the baby out with the bath water ......so be it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Possibly. If this was the off-season. It isn't and that is probably too much change too quickly. It could easily throw thinks into turmoil. Turmoil is bad. No need to risk a chain reaction at this point.

A new leader has emerged (I think) and the team may be turning the corner. I would be hesitant to throw too much uncertainty into the equation right now. If they can get a big without throwing the baby out with the bath water ......so be it.

I on the other hand would end the uncertainty right now rather than extending it out ad nauseam. We are already in chaos, none of these guys have played together. Now is a perfect time to make the rest of the moves before there really is any disruption. If those guys showed up in uniform tommorow Ron would barely know that anything had changed, and not a current starter has been traded in the deal.

Its like pulling off athletic tape/a bandaid/waxing -- do you do it inch by inch so you draw out the agony? Or do you just make your move all at once, say ouch, and then its over?

 

[VF21]

I wouldn't mind seeing this current assemblage take it to the end of the season. That would, of course, mean signing Bonzi to some sort of contract and coming up with some kind of solution to the KT/SAR situation.

I would love to see Adelman rotating KT and SAR at the 4 depending upon whom they're facing, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I wouldn't mind seeing this current assemblage take it to the end of the season. That would, of course, mean signing Bonzi to some sort of contract and coming up with some kind of solution to the KT/SAR situation.

I would love to see Adelman rotating KT and SAR at the 4 depending upon whom they're facing, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I would just love to see KT starting...and SAR coming off the bench...permanently, but not sure what Rick thinks of that.

 

[Kings113]

I do agree with Brick.

 

[SacTownKid]

Skinner can't finish buckets and can't hit his free throws. He's mostly full of brain farts and stupid mistakes =/ He's effective for 5-10 minutes of hard work to give the kings some fire power.

Does anyone remember last season? As in: Brian Skinner starting center for the Sacramento Kings. I don't think that was some kind of fluke. That was called, playing time.

 

[Kings113]

I remember it indeed. Was great.

The guy is inconsistent or not much offensively this year because he doesn't get much PT, or get it regularly. Like I said before, he proved/should've that he can PLAY to Adelman.

Start him until Brad comes back, Rick. I mostly understood vs. Camby and the Nuggets...

 

[SacTownKid]

I will almost be afraid for Reef if Rick Adelman starts him against Tag. Tag will gobble him up and probably loosen up the wires in his jaw a bit. I don't want to see Tag re-injure Reefs jaw!

 

[Kings113]

Rick is truly wild if he starts SAR these next two games.

 

[nbrans]

Just have to get a third team involved, pay attention to what everybody is looking for, and who knows, all your dreams might be answered:

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eric Piatkowski
6-7 SG from Nebraska
2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 8.4 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.9 minutes
Incoming
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -5.0 ppg, -6.3 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 22.4 minutes
Incoming
Eric Piatkowski
6-7 SG from Nebraska
2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 8.4 minutes
Ronnie Price
6-2 PG from Utah Valley State
2.1 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.7 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
9.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.9 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
14.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: +20.2 ppg, +8.4 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ronnie Price
6-2 PG from Utah Valley State
2.1 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.7 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
9.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.9 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.1 minutes
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
14.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 32.1 minutes
Incoming
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.9 minutes
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
8.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 22.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -15.2 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and 0.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago, Denver, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

This is a great framework, although I don't know that Nene's and Watson's price tag would be as high as Abdur-Rahim and Martin. Also, I think Chicago would need more than Nene and Skinner, given the uncertainty surrounding Nene's knee and contract situation. So rather than sending Martin to Denver I'd switch it so that Martin goes to Chicago (they need a shooting guard), and perhaps "upgrade" from Price to Hart. I'd hate to see Martin go (I'd rather use Garcia because of Martin's versatility on defense), but if it brought in Chandler it's probably worth it.

 

[Bricklayer]

This is a great framework, although I don't know that Nene's and Watson's price tag would be as high as Abdur-Rahim and Martin. Also, I think Chicago would need more than Nene and Skinner, given the uncertainty surrounding Nene's knee and contract situation. So rather than sending Martin to Denver I'd switch it so that Martin goes to Chicago (they need a shooting guard), and perhaps "upgrade" from Price to Hart. I'd hate to see Martin go (I'd rather use Garcia because of Martin's versatility on defense), but if it brought in Chandler it's probably worth it.

Oh believe me I agree, but you have to really fight that damn BYC provision of Chandler's contract to make it work (I beleive the combination of players had to fall wihtin a $3mil range) -- besides which Denver needs an OG and Martin just lit them up, hence my thought that maybe they would be sold on him.

In any case, since I am not the one making the call, 99.9% probablity of it all being an academic exercise anyway.