[Game] 12/82: Kings vs. Hawks 12 NOV 2025, 7pm PT/10pm ET

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sactowndog said:
Not Kings ownership but Perry. He knew this year would be crap and didn’t want to saddle his preferred coach with this stink. Doug was Vivek’s preferred guy.

Quite frankly, this situation is the best I have felt about a Kings GM in a decade. The problem with this team was Vivek interfering.

Few here really believe how bad the Monte era was. I say Monte era because a big part of the problem was Monte couldn’t handle Vivek. Perry by contrast gave Vivek all the rope he needed to hang himself. Even an idiot like Vivek knows this pile of crap lies at his feet.

Perry leaned into Vivek and made it an evaluation year. He full well knew this roster was maybe the worst in all sports. Hopefully now Perry will have free rein to do what needs to be done without Vivek ****ing it up.

I’m the most hopeful I have been in a long time.
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Even if you want to have this charitable of a reading of Scott Perry's performance thus far, it's strange that you wouldn't extend the same charity to Monte McNair. If Perry is some sort of genius for "giving Vivek all the rope he needed to hang himself" with the Schroder and Westbrook acquisitions, why isn't McNair some sort of genius for "giving Vivek all the rope he needed to hang himself" with the DeRozan and LaVine acquisitions?

If the owner is the common denominator and the ultimate problem, what is it you even see here that makes Perry better equipped to "handle Vivek" than Monte was? All we know is what both GMs have uttered, and Perry has said he believes the Kings got tougher when they added Schroder and Westbrook. He seemed to believe these acquisitions were additive, whereas Monte is reported as saying the LaVine trade is not the deal he would have made for Fox.

We have a strong sense of who a "Monte player" was, and LaVine is assuredly not it. If a "Perry player" is the likes of Dennis Schroder or Russell Westbrook circa 2025, that is not a good sign. I'm hoping that the Kings will soon engage in a proper rebuild, but I'm not necessarily hopeful that Perry is the guy to lead it.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Man, I have League Pass through the end of December and have already stopped watching games. Calling this the best situation in a decade is nuts. Sure it could lead to a come up in a few years time but we haven't even hit rock bottom yet and I can't bear to watch my team.
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It’s a path to get healthy. Sure it’s not fun to watch but at least we might have a path.

Once we get to playing young kids you will have a reason to watch.
 
Tetsujin said:
SacTownDog worships at the altar of the lord of the perpetual rebuild. Dude probably feels like Christmas came early now that the local team finally looks like they’re going down this road.
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Hopefully it’s not perpetual rebuild and the Kings can execute what every other NBA team has done.

But it sure beats the hell out of perpetual purgatory.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Damn, no love for Miss Bianca? Then y'all really wouldn't have been feeling who I was planning to leave Jerry and Mickey out in favor of...
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I would have voted for Miss Bianca had Gadget not been in the poll. The Great Mouse Detective would have been up there too, though it's been so long since I've seen any of these movies/shows that it's all nostalgia.
 
sactowndog said:
It’s a path to get healthy. Sure it’s not fun to watch but at least we might have a path.

Once we get to playing young kids you will have a reason to watch.
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Yeah that could very well be the case but until the old guys are traded with the future in mind I am not counting on this team not just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
sactowndog said:
It’s a path to get healthy. Sure it’s not fun to watch but at least we might have a path.

Once we get to playing young kids you will have a reason to watch.
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That should happen the next game - let the starters start, and juxtapose all their minutes.....waiting ought to be over......seen enoug - . Blowouts 'r' Us. And for F-Sake get Cardwell back in there......I don't care that he can't shoot....at least he knows not to try.
 
Padrino said:
Even if you want to have this charitable of a reading of Scott Perry's performance thus far, it's strange that you wouldn't extend the same charity to Monte McNair. If Perry is some sort of genius for "giving Vivek all the rope he needed to hang himself" with the Schroder and Westbrook acquisitions, why isn't McNair some sort of genius for "giving Vivek all the rope he needed to hang himself" with the DeRozan and LaVine acquisitions?

If the owner is the common denominator and the ultimate problem, what is it you even see here that makes Perry better equipped to "handle Vivek" than Monte was? All we know is what both GMs have uttered, and Perry has said he believes the Kings got tougher when they added Schroder and Westbrook. He seemed to believe these acquisitions were additive, whereas Monte is reported as saying the LaVine trade is not the deal he would have made for Fox.

We have a strong sense of who a "Monte player" was, and LaVine is assuredly not it. If a "Perry player" is the likes of Dennis Schroder or Russell Westbrook circa 2025, that is not a good sign. I'm hoping that the Kings will soon engage in a proper rebuild, but I'm not necessarily hopeful that Perry is the guy to lead it.
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I could well be mistaken but my impression is Perry is mostly pushing the right buttons to make this thing finally turn around. Yes Monte could not influence Vivek to do the correct thing. But I think part of influencing Vivek is making it abundantly clear how dumb his basketball intuition is so he gets out and stays out.

In a sense Vlade put us in a good spot in the draft even with his dumb ass rookie mistake with the initial trade. Yes we repeatedly made the wrong choices but success relies on

1) getting in the right spot. (Monte’s repeated failure)

2) executing on the draft once you are there (Vlade’s repeated failure).

We are on a path to hopefully do item 1 and we shall see on item 2.
 
ESP47 said:
I thought it was Christie's best coaching job of the year. If the vets are going to get knocked around like that, then put the young guys in and lets at least watch them compete and develop while getting knocked around.
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I have a novel idea. How about lineups with a mix of defenders and scoring talent. Instead of a starting lineup that is all offense and then a 2nd unit that has all the defensive intensity
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Because Domas flopped in the playoffs while Fox took advantage of his moment in the spotlight. They handed the team over the following season and it became a slog and Brown was cooked within 14 months.
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ehhh this isn't telling the entire story. If we're going to give Fox a pass for giving us nothing in the last 3 games of that series and ESPECIALLY in game 7 for his injury, then Sabonis deserves the same bail for playing with one hand the majority of that season. Fox had two great games in that series. Let's be all the way fair in here
 
NewArena said:
ehhh this isn't telling the entire story. If we're going to give Fox a pass for giving us nothing in the last 3 games of that series and ESPECIALLY in game 7 for his injury, then Sabonis deserves the same bail for playing with one hand the majority of that season. Fox had two great games in that series. Let's be all the way fair in here
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The Warriors defensive strategy that series was key in on Sabonis and cut him off as the offensive hub, we’ll live with Fox beating us and let him shoot 3s. Fox beat them game 1 and game 6, but was bad the rest of the series. Yet Sabonis gets killed and Fox gets praised. Fox only was freed up because of Sabonis.
 
sactowndog said:
I think someone just posted the odds of picking a star in the top 5 versus late lottery.

It is not supposition. It’s statistics.
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No, the supposition part is believing/assuming that a perpetual rebuild will net you draft picks that are any better than perpetual purgatory, because it presupposes that the team won't accidentally play itself out of a Top 5 pick, anyway.

If we stipulate that the Kings hire a general manager who convinces Ranadivé to commit to an "honest" rebuild, and they attempt to rebuild the "right" way, what happens when the team that the Kings put out on the floor is still only bad enough to be the seventh-worst team in the league? Remember the year after y'all traded Cousins and you had what (on paper) was a 25-win team, and Joerger dragged them to 39 wins, anyway?
 
NewArena said:
ehhh this isn't telling the entire story. If we're going to give Fox a pass for giving us nothing in the last 3 games of that series and ESPECIALLY in game 7 for his injury, then Sabonis deserves the same bail for playing with one hand the majority of that season. Fox had two great games in that series. Let's be all the way fair in here
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I'm a big Domas fan who thought he entirely changed the culture the second he arrived here.

What I said in the previous post was what appears to have been the national narrative which many Kings fans adopted. I was extremely critical of us abandoning the offense we used in 22-23 for what I thought was unwatchable ball the following year. The net difference was 2 wins but the team was joyless to watch.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
No, the supposition part is believing/assuming that a perpetual rebuild will net you draft picks that are any better than perpetual purgatory, because it presupposes that the team won't accidentally play itself out of a Top 5 pick, anyway.

If we stipulate that the Kings hire a general manager who convinces Ranadivé to commit to an "honest" rebuild, and they attempt to rebuild the "right" way, what happens when the team that the Kings put out on the floor is still only bad enough to be the seventh-worst team in the league? Remember the year after y'all traded Cousins and you had what (on paper) was a 25-win team, and Joerger dragged them to 39 wins, anyway?
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If the Kings perpetually end up in the late lottery then in fact nothing has changed. It may well be what they do because they are the Kings. But the should go into the lottery no worse than the 5th or 6th worse odds and ideally in the top 4.
 
sactowndog said:
If the Kings perpetually end up in the late lottery then in fact nothing has changed. It may well be what they do because they are the Kings. But the should go into the lottery no worse than the 5th or 6th worse odds and ideally in the top 4.
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I don't disagree with this, in principle, just with the notion that it is appreciably distinguishable from "perpetual purgatory."
 
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