11 Man Rotation?!?!

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thus far in the preseason, the kings look as deep as the 2001-2002 team... with a solid starting five and Thomas, Skinner, Hart, Martin, Garcia, and Williamson all showing they can contribute, is there a possiblity that Adelman will go away from his traditional 8-9 man rotation he uses and use the deep bench to the fullest this year???? the kings are a legitimate 11 man deep team!!!

i do not know who he would sit, if he used his traditional 8-9man rotation... they all showed they can contribute in different ways... maybe this is the year that adelman uses his deep bench and a 11 man rotation, to keep his players fresh and healthy for the playoffs!!! or maybe i'm just dreaming!?!?

what do you all think adelman will do with this deep bench???
 
He'll play 8-9 as usual. Did in 2002-03 too. Only reason we were able to support that many talneted players was because we were so incredibly screwed by injuries that year that we didn't get the whole team togetehr until the very end of the year. At which point it was back to 8-9.

Miller
Reef
Peja
Bonzi
Bibby
Thomas
Hart

will all get guaranteed minutes. Skinner might get consistent backup stints at C as well. So that's 8. And that leaves Kevin, Garcia and Corliss to fight it out for the backup OG/SF minutes. Corliss likely ends up sitting as #11. So either Kevin or Garcia gets to be #9 and pick up spot/rotation minutes (perhaps depending on how KT does as a SF), and the other guy might get reduced to spot minutes as #10.
 
One thing is for sure , this team will be better than last year even with cwebb and doug. This team has quality depth , the question is if RA will use when it is essential .



FAB FIVE = MILLER,SAR,PEJA,BONZI,BIBBY !
 
I highly doubt each one of these guys will get minutes every game. That being said, I think they will pile up but Adelman will use the 8-9 per game, just with different personel per the matchups on the floor. He loves to play the match-up game, like a Nellie-light. I bet we see 8-9 a game maybe 9-10, but with 11 guys on the team gettinga decent amount of minutes spread out over the season. Assuming Cisco plays within himself. Adelmen will anchor that boy to the pine if he starts playing like a rookie for too long.
 
kingsville said:
FAB FIVE = MILLER,SAR,PEJA,BONZI,BIBBY !
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FAB FIVE?!?!

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i know the kings are soft, but do we really have to go there?!

;)
 
My guess that it will be closer to 10 man rotation, SAR and KT will split PF postion and SAR will get more min against big PF starters and KT will get more min when smaller PF opponents start. Kevin, Skinner and Jason will all get minutes behind Bonzi,Brad and Bibby, but the Starters depending on matchups, how they play, whether they are tired, will get more minutes. I think Garcia or Corliss will see some minutes behind Peja who will get more min than the other starters, which one will depend on matchups and whether RA needs a big guy near the basket or more offense on outside.

I think RA will go to 10 man to keep players fresh and healthy, in playoffs he will shrink rotation to 8-9 best players with Kevin, Garcia, Corliss minutes suffering and Jason min may shrink also since Bibby will play more minutes.

All of the above of course is based on not knowing the opponent, we could very well see some wild variations, based upon player matchups. With so much flexability, RA will have all sorts of options avail and may use all sorts of lineups depending on opposing players/and our player performance.
 
Jkbiker said:
All of the above of course is based on not knowing the opponent, we could very well see some wild variations, based upon player matchups. With so much flexability, RA will have all sorts of options avail and may use all sorts of lineups depending on opposing players/and our player performance.
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Sounds possible on paper, but that just has not been Rick's history. Nor most established coaches really. Nellie always did it of course, but barring injuries rarely do you see a major coach changing his rotation game to game. Kind of find a comfort zone and settles.

Of course since we specialize in injuries, minutes may open up at some point.
 
Well If RA does go to a 8-9 man rotation, which 2-3 of the eleven will sit out?

I could see either Corliss or Garcia sitting, but then which would be the next two to sit? If it was going to be Corliss or Garcia next, then why has RA not experimented with KT or SAR at SF? I think only Jason will back up Bibby, and I dont see anyone behind Bonzi except Kevin. So to get down to 8 players, you would only have SAR,KT,Brad and Peja for 3 positions? Therefore I dont, see the rotation at less than 9 players.
 
Expect a 9 man rotation, with ‘Cisco and Corliss used in moderation,

Miller\Skinner
SAR\KT
Peja\KT
Wells\Martin
Bibby\Hart

Starters: Bibby, Wells, Peja, SAR, Miller
Rebounding and Defense: Hart, Wells, KT, SAR, Skinner (Bibby and Miller resting)
Spark: Bibby, KM, Peja, KT, Miller (Wells and SAR resting)
 
In a 9, 1 of the three Martin/Garcia/Corliss wins out, other two sit. Garcia has he advantage of being able to play both spots, so maybe he plays. Or Martin while Bonzi moves to SF, which he can do easily. Corliss likely sits.

In an 8, means that either KT proves he can consistently play SF, or that Rick finally slips into Nellie dementia and goes small behind Brad with KT/SAR, and then spot minutes for one or two other guys.

7 guys are in for sure -- 5 starters and KT, and then Hart as there is nobody else to run backup PG. After that Skinner is our only real backup big, so likely #8. But everybody else is going to have to scrap. Also do not forget that not only does Rick play fairly short rotations, but he plays his starters, his best guys, big minutes. With 5 established big minute guys int he same starting lineup, there just isn't time for a huge deep rotation. We aren't Memphis. (Memphis fell apart anyway and if we tried that hear Bonzi would spit on somebody).
 
I guess it comes down to playing your best guys - out of position such as SAR at center and KT behind Peja. Maybe KT at SF is better than a Garcia/Corliss option, Has KT EVER played a lot of min at SF? I am not sure SAR is a better option at center than Skinner.
 
I think it goes in a 9-10.

Bibby/Hart
Wells/Martin
Peja/Garcia and Corliss (split or just switch or maybe use both)
SAR/KT
Brad/Skinner

Memphis fell apart (just barely making the 8th spot) because of injuries down the stretch (like Seattle, injuries), and Fratello not having the best or a very good idea, and running the team on the fly. We definitely won't be Memphis heavy.
 
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DavisAggie said:
Expect a 9 man rotation, with ‘Cisco and Corliss used in moderation,

Miller\Skinner
SAR\KT
Peja\KT
Wells\Martin
Bibby\Hart

Starters: Bibby, Wells, Peja, SAR, Miller
Rebounding and Defense: Hart, Wells, KT, SAR, Skinner (Bibby and Miller resting)
Spark: Bibby, KM, Peja, KT, Miller (Wells and SAR resting)
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I would agree with a core 9-man rotation thru the year but see quite a bit of time from 10-13 early on. As to "rebounding" and "spark" groups, that remains to be seen. Wells could be the better compliment to 4 of the sparks with his intensity. And against teams with 2 big bodies, it will likely be Miller and Skinner.
 
I tend to agree taht the current plethra of tallent on the bench creates some uniqe line ups for particular match ups and so the standard 8 man rotation may not be be RA's entiere MO this season, but he is prety predictable. I also agree on the obvious 7 with Garcia, Martin and Corless compeeting (or more likely rotating) into that 8th slot. But hey it's really way too early to tell. A much less exciting but more rational topic at this point would who get's cut oput right and who do the Kigs stash in the DL?
 
CruzDude said:
And against teams with 2 big bodies, it will likely be Miller and Skinner.
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So you're saying you like



Rebounding and Defense: Hart, Wells, KT, Skinner, Miller

Better than

Rebounding and Defense: Hart, Wells, KT, SAR, Miller

I think you're right. Move Miller to the elbow, which would allow Skinner and KT to concentrate on rebounding. Good call.
 
Jkbiker said:
I guess it comes down to playing your best guys - out of position such as SAR at center and KT behind Peja. Maybe KT at SF is better than a Garcia/Corliss option, Has KT EVER played a lot of min at SF? I am not sure SAR is a better option at center than Skinner.
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I'm quite sure he's not, in my book at least. Does not mean the current administration will agree given their scoring fetish.

If I were coahcing he'd be guaranteed those minutes, and grab some at PF alongside Brad when I was serious about defense, which I normally am. But oddly I do not seem to be coaching, and Rick and crew are more likely to fall into the small ball boondoggle than to try to play power ball inside.
 
RA - will play 9 man at the most (garbage time excluded)

Tight games - 7-8

Pedja 7 Mike will have 40+ minutes. Brad will not because of foul trouble
 
HndsmCelt said:
I tend to agree taht the current plethra of tallent on the bench creates some uniqe line ups for particular match ups and so the standard 8 man rotation may not be be RA's entiere MO this season, but he is prety predictable. I also agree on the obvious 7 with Garcia, Martin and Corless compeeting (or more likely rotating) into that 8th slot. But hey it's really way too early to tell. A much less exciting but more rational topic at this point would who get's cut oput right and who do the Kigs stash in the DL?
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Sampson will make the team as 12th man, and one of Price/Luke for DL. Sandrin/Flores I think are going to be cut.
 
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i think most likely, there will be a 9-10 man rotation... 9 man solid in rotation and #10 man, depending on matchups.... the starting 5 of Bibby, Bonzi, Miller, SAR and Peja and off the bench...

6) Thomas
7) Hart
8) Skinner
9) Martin
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10) Garcia (used alot, depending on matchups)
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11) Williamson (odd man out, unless there is an injury)
12) Sampson (garbage time)
 
it comes down to what a few people have said: matchups

on a slower, taller team (IE San Antonio, Detroit, Minnesota) I'm sure Skinner and Corliss will see much more minutes. On a quicker, smaller, more athletic team (Golden State, Pheonix, Dallas), we'll see more of KT, Garcia, and Martin.

But, overall I'm expecting a 9 man rotation with Corliss and one of the "rookies" sitting out.

Its almost like we are too deep this year....at least injuries wont hit us as hard this year as the two years past...not to say we will get any injuries or anything :crosses fingers:

Also, I find it funny that about a month about, the NBA Show podcast did a "report" on the Kings saying that they weren't deep and that Corliss is their only good backup. Now its turning out that Corliss might be one of the backups that DOESN'T get minutes...those people don't know anything. Their wrong comment sparked me so much that a I wrote a comment right on the page where they submitted the podcast...never got responded to though.
 
After watching RA all these years I think he thinks in terms of "how can I use my best players so they'll be on the floor the max amount of time without wearing out"? Therefore, I think we'll see a lot of Bonzi at SG and spelling Peja at SF and bringing in Kevin at the SG. SAR should beat out Thomas for PF and Skinner spelling Brad. But we all know this is not an optimum lineup against the upper echelon teams so I think that at times he will go deeper to counter matchup problems (because we all know he doesn't often create mismatches, although last night's starting lineup where he went small, quick and athletic was certainly against type for him...maybe he saw the Denver team in the stands). With a scorer now on the team (Bonzi) we can play another defensive/rebounder at times and not be any worse off than last year. By the way, wasn't it great to see Bonzi posting up a guard and kicking it out when the double team came? Reminded me of our Webber-era offense.
 
It's very likely going to be an 8 man rotation. I know everyone's down on Corliss, but I think it's a crying shame that a former 6th man of the year, member of an NBA championship squad, excellent low post player, double figure scorer off the bench and the only guy not wearing a dress against the Sonics last season is going to sit all year. I really think if KT accepts his role off the bench, they ought to trade Corliss, just out of respect for the guy being a class act. Corliss is a skilled player and a good guy and doesn't deserve to be bolted to the bench for the next two seasons.
 
kingsville said:
One thing is for sure , this team will be better than last year even with cwebb and doug. This team has quality depth , the question is if RA will use when it is essential .



FAB FIVE = MILLER,SAR,PEJA,BONZI,BIBBY !
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Very premature to say the least. This may be our weakest starting five in years.
 
NewMonkey said:
It's very likely going to be an 8 man rotation. I know everyone's down on Corliss, but I think it's a crying shame that a former 6th man of the year, member of an NBA championship squad, excellent low post player, double figure scorer off the bench and the only guy not wearing a dress against the Sonics last season is going to sit all year. I really think if KT accepts his role off the bench, they ought to trade Corliss, just out of respect for the guy being a class act. Corliss is a skilled player and a good guy and doesn't deserve to be bolted to the bench for the next two seasons.
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I'm not down on him!

I like Big Nasty - and I have a lot of respect for what he's accomplished AND his mindset about the whole thing. I believe he'll get some minutes, if for no other reason than he actually can define the "D" word.
 
NewMonkey said:
It's very likely going to be an 8 man rotation. I know everyone's down on Corliss, but I think it's a crying shame that a former 6th man of the year, member of an NBA championship squad, excellent low post player, double figure scorer off the bench and the only guy not wearing a dress against the Sonics last season is going to sit all year. I really think if KT accepts his role off the bench, they ought to trade Corliss, just out of respect for the guy being a class act. Corliss is a skilled player and a good guy and doesn't deserve to be bolted to the bench for the next two seasons.
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Or we could just keep Corliss, put him in when we need toughness and low post scoring, Corliss will get to play this year, theres lots of teams that he will be a mis-match for and I'm sure Adelman will be able to see that. Plus with
our history I'm pretty sure theres going to be injuries this season.. So it's going to be nice to have a deep bench with Corliss on it...
 
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