#1 pick

[Glenn]

Might as well get fanciful.

Trade the person we pick in the 1st round plus Thornton or IT depending on what the other team wants for the person picked at #1.

I think Anthony Davis at #1 is not only one of the best big men to come out in the last decade but also the perfect compliment to Cuz. The fact they both are from Kentucky is just a bonus. Davis is a shot blocking machine plus he can score and rebound. I think he will grow an inch or two and put on a little more weight without giving away any of his athleticism.

I would hate to give up Thornton but in some ways we have a bit of a log jam at guard and this has led to small ball. We would still have starters in IT and Tyreke. Jimmer would be developing.​

As an alternative, I would move up using one of our guards not named Tyreke and our 1st round pick to get Kidd-Gilchrist. Kidd-Gilchrist is the all around SF we have been looking for.

I offer two as I don't have a clue as to who would have the top picks nor who would want to trade their pick. I think Gilchrist and Davis are what this team is looking for and it won't be often a PF/C or SF will come along that fit our needs so nicely.

It's a lot to give up but it's a lot to get. This is not a trade of our draft pick. It is a trade of the people acquired with the draft pick just as what happened last year with Jimmer.
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In any case, I offer this idea as I am looking to see what people's attitudes are about the two guys from Kentucky. We could offer other deals like JJ and the 1st pick but I'll stick with this as we have very little of quality to offer except for people I absolutely would not trade like Tyreke and Cuz.




The final option is just to use our pick as we will get a good athlete. I just think Davis and Gilchrist are standouts in a very strong draft.




I want Davis real bad and if that means ignoring our collection of SFs for a year, so be it. Maybe AK47 will sign. Picture AK47 and Davis on this team.

 

[spudfan]

We are going to get the #1 pick in the draft lotto! No need to make trades to move up I am basing this on I used that ESPN draft game thing and the first try it told me we were getting the #1 pick!

edit: Link to Mock Draft thingy http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2012/mockdraft

 

[Tetsujin]

Might as well get fanciful.

Trade the person we pick in the 1st round plus Thornton or IT depending on what the other team wants for the person picked at #1.

I think Anthony Davis at #1 is not only one of the best big men to come out in the last decade but also the perfect compliment to Cuz. The fact they both are from Kentucky is just a bonus. Davis is a shot blocking machine plus he can score and rebound. I think he will grow an inch or two and put on a little more weight without giving away any of his athleticism.

I would hate to give up Thornton but in some ways we have a bit of a log jam at guard and this has led to small ball. We would still have starters in IT and Tyreke. Jimmer would be developing.

As an alternative, I would move up using one of our guards not named Tyreke and our 1st round pick to get Kidd-Gilchrist. Kidd-Gilchrist is the all around SF we have been looking for.

I offer two as I don't have a clue as to who would have the top picks nor who would want to trade their pick. I think Gilchrist and Davis are what this team is looking for and it won't be often a PF/C or SF will come along.

It's a lot to give up but it's a lot to get. This is not a trade of our draft pick. It is a trade of the people acquired with the draft pick just as what happened last year with Jimmer.

In any case, I offer this idea as I am looking to see what people's attitudes are about the two guys from Kentucky. We could offer other deals like JJ and the 1st pick but I'll stick with this as we have very little of quality to offer except for people I absolutely would not trade like Tyreke and Cuz.




The final option is just to use our pick as we will get a good athlete. I just think Davis and Gilchrist are standouts in a very strong draft.




I want Davis real bad and if that means ignoring our collection of SFs for a year, so be it. Maybe AK47 will sign. Picture AK47 and Davis on this team.

I'm pretty sure we all said that about Greg Oden (and to a lesser extent Favors). I'm a little wary of drafting Davis based only on the fact that it would alter the make up of our frontline to the degree that Cuz could wind up not getting as many shots and/or minutes. That being said, Demarcus is perhaps the most offensively fluid big men to come out of the draft in the past twenty-five years (at least) so I think that he could adjust.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I'm pretty sure we all said that about Greg Oden (and to a lesser extent Favors). I'm a little wary of drafting Davis based only on the fact that it would alter the make up of our frontline to the degree that Cuz could wind up not getting as many shots and/or minutes. That being said, Demarcus is perhaps the most offensively fluid big men to come out of the draft in the past twenty-five years (at least) so I think that he could adjust.

We need a defensive big man period. I'm not opposed to picking the best big guy available but the best compliment to cousins would be a shot blocker who doesn't demand the ball....aka dalembert.

 

[bajaden]

I'm pretty sure we all said that about Greg Oden (and to a lesser extent Favors). I'm a little wary of drafting Davis based only on the fact that it would alter the make up of our frontline to the degree that Cuz could wind up not getting as many shots and/or minutes. That being said, Demarcus is perhaps the most offensively fluid big men to come out of the draft in the past twenty-five years (at least) so I think that he could adjust.

Anthony Davis is the real deal. I've already seen him play over 20 times this year, thanks to ESPNU and company. Defensively, he has no equal in college. He has very good basketball IQ, which is whats holding back Whiteside. And while he's raw offensively, he's hardly chump change. He does have a very nice 15 to 18 foot jumper. He's a very good passer, something Whiteside simply didn't do in college. And he'll get you 10 PPG on putbacks alone. The most intriguing thing about Davis, is not that he's a terrific shotblocker, but that more often than not, he blocks the shot to himself. The last player that was able to do that on a consistent basis was Bill Russell. If I have the first pick in the draft, I don't even think about it, I draft Davis. Drummond is a nice fallback, but right now, Davis is twice the player Drummond is.

 

[bajaden]

By the way, I'm not quite sure what the reference to Oden is about. Without the injuries, I don't think anyone doubts his abilities. Its just unfortunate, and something no one could have predicted. As for Favors, I still think he'll be a very good player in the league. He had the misfortune of playing on a team that had some of the worse guard play in the NCAA. Esentially, he made very little progress at college, and he was also one of the youngest players in college that year. Way too early to pass judgement on him.

 

[Glenn]

Anthony Davis is the real deal. I've already seen him play over 20 times this year, thanks to ESPNU and company. Defensively, he has no equal in college. He has very good basketball IQ, which is whats holding back Whiteside. And while he's raw offensively, he's hardly chump change. He does have a very nice 15 to 18 foot jumper. He's a very good passer, something Whiteside simply didn't do in college. And he'll get you 10 PPG on putbacks alone. The most intriguing thing about Davis, is not that he's a terrific shotblocker, but that more often than not, he blocks the shot to himself. The last player that was able to do that on a consistent basis was Bill Russell. If I have the first pick in the draft, I don't even think about it, I draft Davis. Drummond is a nice fallback, but right now, Davis is twice the player Drummond is.

I haven't watched him that much but can see his skill. He stands out over the rest of the players that might enter the draft. I doubt if Drummond will go second but that's another conversation.

OK, folks, now can someone comment on whether we should trade our #1 and Thornton for Davis? I realize my opinion of a college player probably means very little but now we have bajaden weighing in.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Might as well get fanciful.

Trade the person we pick in the 1st round plus Thornton or IT depending on what the other team wants for the person picked at #1.

I think Anthony Davis at #1 is not only one of the best big men to come out in the last decade but also the perfect compliment to Cuz. The fact they both are from Kentucky is just a bonus. Davis is a shot blocking machine plus he can score and rebound. I think he will grow an inch or two and put on a little more weight without giving away any of his athleticism.

I would hate to give up Thornton but in some ways we have a bit of a log jam at guard and this has led to small ball. We would still have starters in IT and Tyreke. Jimmer would be developing.

As an alternative, I would move up using one of our guards not named Tyreke and our 1st round pick to get Kidd-Gilchrist. Kidd-Gilchrist is the all around SF we have been looking for.

I offer two as I don't have a clue as to who would have the top picks nor who would want to trade their pick. I think Gilchrist and Davis are what this team is looking for and it won't be often a PF/C or SF will come along.

It's a lot to give up but it's a lot to get. This is not a trade of our draft pick. It is a trade of the people acquired with the draft pick just as what happened last year with Jimmer.

In any case, I offer this idea as I am looking to see what people's attitudes are about the two guys from Kentucky. We could offer other deals like JJ and the 1st pick but I'll stick with this as we have very little of quality to offer except for people I absolutely would not trade like Tyreke and Cuz.




The final option is just to use our pick as we will get a good athlete. I just think Davis and Gilchrist are standouts in a very strong draft.




I want Davis real bad and if that means ignoring our collection of SFs for a year, so be it. Maybe AK47 will sign. Picture AK47 and Davis on this team.

I take it you watched the KY/Vandy game this morning . He looked pretty damn good. I want him so badly on this team.

 

[Kingster]

By the way, I'm not quite sure what the reference to Oden is about. Without the injuries, I don't think anyone doubts his abilities. Its just unfortunate, and something no one could have predicted. As for Favors, I still think he'll be a very good player in the league. He had the misfortune of playing on a team that had some of the worse guard play in the NCAA. Esentially, he made very little progress at college, and he was also one of the youngest players in college that year. Way too early to pass judgement on him.

If Utah would be disposed to trading Favors, I'd certainly give them a call. Everybody talks about the 3 on this team, but the 4 position isn't exactly HOF material.

 

[Glenn]

I take it you watched the KY/Vandy game this morning . He looked pretty damn good. I want him so badly on this team.

I've watched about 5 games but today prompted me to propose this trade. I don't now if a #1 pick has ever been traded on draft day. I don't think so. I don't know how the thread took a left turn away from the topic but Davis is a 4/5. He is what Cuz isn't to simplify his skills. I'm most curious as to how much people would give up to get him. So far, peole are being reticent.

CHICKENS!!!!!

 

[upinsmoke]

Yes Anthony Davis is the real deal but Michael K-G also has star written all over him did anyone see how he shut down Dee Bost in the second half of the Miss st/Kentucky game. I lost sleep after watching that game hoping he could hold down our 3 spot.

Btw does anyone think Bost might slip into the 2nd round because if he does we better pick him.

 

[Glenn]

Yes Anthony Davis is the real deal but Michael K-G also has star written all over him did anyone see how he shut down Dee Bost in the second half of the Miss st/Kentucky game. I lost sleep after watching that game hoping he could hold down our 3 spot.

Btw does anyone think Bost might slip into the 2nd round because if he does we better pick him.

I went back over my original post to clarify the two trades I was thinking of and I think you might be pleased.

 

[eflat]

He looks like he'd be mighty surprised if that happened...

 

[Tetsujin]

Yes Anthony Davis is the real deal but Michael K-G also has star written all over him did anyone see how he shut down Dee Bost in the second half of the Miss st/Kentucky game. I lost sleep after watching that game hoping he could hold down our 3 spot.

Btw does anyone think Bost might slip into the 2nd round because if he does we better pick him.

I still wouldn't mind Harrison Barnes accidentally winding up on our team

 

[Uk kings fan]

I still wouldn't mind Harrison Barnes accidentally winding up on our team

he is interesting some mock drafts have him in the top 3 (number 2 being the highest i have seen) and some mock drafts have him as low as 6 or 7

Edit just seen him for number one pick on a mock draft

 

[spudfan]

I've watched about 5 games but today prompted me to propose this trade. I don't now if a #1 pick has ever been traded on draft day. I don't think so. I don't know how the thread took a left turn away from the topic but Davis is a 4/5. He is what Cuz isn't to simplify his skills. I'm most curious as to how much people would give up to get him. So far, peole are being reticent.

CHICKENS!!!!!

Our very own Chris Webber was drafted by the Magic #1 and then immediately traded to Golden State for the #3 picked Hardaway and 3 future first round picks.

 

[Glenn]

Our very own Chris Webber was drafted by the Magic #1 and then immediately traded to Golden State for the #3 picked Hardaway and 3 future first round picks.

Color me absent minded.

 

[Glenn]

he is interesting some mock drafts have him in the top 3 (number 2 being the highest i have seen) and some mock drafts have him as low as 6 or 7

Edit just seen him for number one pick on a mock draft

If you recall which mock draft, which one? Barnes may end up one of the best shooters in the NBA. Not a streak shooter so much as just a flat out shooter. I still think height has more value so would NOT pick him #1.

I can see him as a #3 especially if Drummond drops. Drummond bothers me perhaps a little more than he bothers bajaden and we know whose opinion is worth more. What I see as Drummond's main asset is size. That also coincidently is one of Cousins' attributes. The difference in the two is that Drummond doesn't seem very aggressive. Not sure if there is a fire buring in him.

I can see a draft with Davis, Gilchrist, and Barnes in the top three. For our particular needs, I also like Henson and he just might be able to be had with no trades whatsoever. He's another athletic shot blocking type with a graceful around the basket offense. Offensively he is getting overshadowed by team mate Tyler Zeller but Zeller would not fit on our team at all.

I think where the Kings benefit is that offense > defense when it comes to drafts, salaries, and pretty much everything else except championships. Stats don't even pay a lot of attention to defense. I have huge holes in my knowledge of who the defenders are in the draft other than Davis, Henson, and Gilchrist. All three have decent offensive games so aren't Biyombo types. Because I think offensive players will be picked before defensive players, the Kings are sitting pretty.

This draft can get us a star if we trade up or it can get us a nice complimentary piece to a team already filled with underperforming shooters. My trade suggestions seem reasonable until some one talks me out of them. I do not mind losing Thornton (sigh!) ONLY because we have three studs at guard and I have faith that Jimmer will mature and become a decent rotation player. We can't use 4 guards all of whom can fit into a regular rotation without playing small ball.

Talk me out of it.

 

[spudfan]

If you recall which mock draft, which one? Barnes may end up one of the best shooters in the NBA. Not a streak shooter so much as just a flat out shooter. I still think height has more value.

I have probably only caught about 10 games from Barnes but haven't been impressed. After all the hype he got about being the best recruit hands down, then having a slow start I think I just expected too much from him. Do you see him as a Super Star like many had him pegged going into college or more as a strong role player?

 

[Glenn]

I have probably only caught about 10 games from Barnes but haven't been impressed. After all the hype he got about being the best recruit hands down, then having a slow start I think I just expected too much from him. Do you see him as a Super Star like many had him pegged going into college or more as a strong role player?

Don't for the life of me or you think that I am an expert. The only thing I am good at is picking the occasional star and I almost never can put into words what I am seeing or sensing. In my mind, I compare Barnes to Ray Allen except taller. He might show better in the NBA - or not. I'm with you in not being as impressed and that is my gut feeling that I cannot put words to. When I place him high in the draft, I am going more by what others think than what I think. Glad to see someone else has doubts. I must admit I am bothered a great deal by the way he started out last year and that might not be fair at all. bajaden says his game came to life with a new PG. That may be true but for a real NBA star, I want someone who didn't need a PG switch to bring his game out.

Edit: going by my unscientific gut method of rating college guys and projecting them to the NBA, I have Barnes between 5-10. Boooo! huh?

 

[upinsmoke]

If you recall which mock draft, which one? Barnes may end up one of the best shooters in the NBA. Not a streak shooter so much as just a flat out shooter. I still think height has more value.

Im truly conflicted between Barnes/Kidd-G. Harrison Barnes is such a smooth player with a silky J and a true swingman. Kidd-G who is about as versatile as they get not to mention an ace defender both perimeter & on the block.

 

[spudfan]

Don't for the life of me or you think that I am an expert. The only thing I am good at is picking the occasional star and I almost never can put into words what I am seeing or sensing. In my mind, I compare Barnes to Ray Allen except taller. He might show better in the NBA - or not. I'm with you in not being as impressed and that is my gut feeling that I cannot put words to. When I place him high in the draft, I am going more by what others think than what I think. Glad to see someone else has doubts. I must admit I am bothered a great deal by the way he started out last year and that might not be fair at all. bajaden says his game came to life with a new PG. That may be true but for a real NBA star, I want someone who didn't need a PG switch to bring his game out.

Edit: going by my unscientific gut method of rating college guys and projecting them to the NBA, I have Barnes between 5-10. Boooo! huh?

Ray Allen type of ceiling I think would be great. I just remember people were comparing him to Kobe and Lebron a couple years ago. When you watch him he isn't any where near that level. 5-10 seems fair to me, good enough to have a long solid career but most likely not a star which I feel is pretty accurate. I would think he is #3 on our list behind Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist. But Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist would just depend on how Petrie feels even though most have Barnes a few slots behind at the moment. But it really doesn't matter until tournament time where someone seems to really stand out and blow up the picks after the #1.

 

[Tetsujin]

Our very own Chris Webber was drafted by the Magic #1 and then immediately traded to Golden State for the #3 picked Hardaway and 3 future first round picks.

You know, I think the Magic are somehow okay with that move. Lots of unfortunate crippling injuries though.

 

[Uk kings fan]

If you recall which mock draft, which one? Barnes may end up one of the best shooters in the NBA. Not a streak shooter so much as just a flat out shooter. I still think height has more value so would NOT pick him #1.

I can see him as a #3 especially if Drummond drops. Drummond bothers me perhaps a little more than he bothers bajaden and we know whose opinion is worth more. What I see as Drummond's main asset is size. That also coincidently is one of Cousins' attributes. The difference in the two is that Drummond doesn't seem very aggressive. Not sure if there is a fire buring in him.

I can see a draft with Davis, Gilchrist, and Barnes in the top three. For our particular needs, I also like Henson and he just might be able to be had with no trades whatsoever. He's another athletic shot blocking type with a graceful around the basket offense. Offensively he is getting overshadowed by team mate Tyler Zeller but Zeller would not fit on our team at all.

I think where the Kings benefit is that offense > defense when it comes to drafts, salaries, and pretty much everything else except championships. Stats don't even pay a lot of attention to defense. I have huge holes in my knowledge of who the defenders are in the draft other than Davis, Henson, and Gilchrist. All three have decent offensive games so aren't Biyombo types. Because I think offensive players will be picked before defensive players, the Kings are sitting pretty.

This draft can get us a star if we trade up or it can get us a nice complimentary piece to a team already filled with underperforming shooters. My trade suggestions seem reasonable until some one talks me out of them. I do not mind losing Thornton (sigh!) ONLY because we have three studs at guard and I have faith that Jimmer will mature and become a decent rotation player. We can't use 4 guards all of whom can fit into a regular rotation without playing small ball.

Talk me out of it.

which one what?? 7th or 1st pick??

 

[bajaden]

You know, I think the Magic are somehow okay with that move. Lots of unfortunate crippling injuries though.

Yeah, they were able to pair Penny with Shaq, and at the time, it was one of the best duo's in the NBA. Unfortunately Webb went to the Warriors and Don Nelson, who always complained about never having a big man, and when he got one, didn't know what to do with him. It was a marrige made in hell.

 

[bajaden]

Lets not forget about Thomas Robinson, who is Davis main competition for college player of the year. We could do a lot worse than him. He's an outstanding athlete, with comparisons to Blake Griffin. If he measures out at the 6'10" he's listed at, he would be very hard to pass on if Davis, Barnes and Drummond are gone. I'd take him over Henson at this point, and I like Henson quite a bit. Reason, Henson will never be a superstar. Maybe never even a star. Robinson has star written all over him, and maybe even superstar down the road.

Now if he measures out at 6'7", I retract everything I just said. As for Gilchrist, as most know, he's one of my favorite players, but I seriously doubt he'll go top 5. Too many other good big men in the draft, and that along with his poor outside shot will drop him down. Which could be a good thing for us if we end up picking somewhere between 7 and 12. He's probably the best defensive SF in the draft. Although Taylor is pretty damm good as well.

 

[Uk kings fan]

so if this was a different year how many of these lot could potentialy be first round picks??

Davis,Drummond, Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist???

 

[Glenn]

I take it nobody thinks that trading our #1 pick and Thornton for Davis makes any sense.

 

[Tetsujin]

I take it nobody thinks that trading our #1 pick and Thornton for Davis makes any sense.

Depends who winds up with the number one pick. If the Hornets wind up with it, there could be a chance they'll take the bait on that trade. Not so sure about the Bobcats. Wizards probably wouldn't. Toronto could. NJ already has Lopez but desperately needs talent with D-Will probably jumping ship.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I take it nobody thinks that trading our #1 pick and Thornton for Davis makes any sense.

I don't see anybody biting. Davis may not be a LeBron-type talent, but he's clearly the class of the draft. The higher our pick, the more likely it might happen, but the less likely we'd want to do it. I'd hold off until lotto slots are decided before thinking too hard about it.