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Never really considered O'Neal to be a superstar, always thought of him as a star. And when Artest did play with O'Neal, I don't recall him trying to take over games as much as he does now. And I guess we'll have to just disagree on Artest ever being able to defer since I don't see us getting...

Put an actual superstar next to Artest and I believe we'd see an entirely different player. Martin is too passive, and Artest knew this and knew he was the only one with a "chance" to take over a game late. Imagine having someone like Kobe next to Ron. Do you really believe Ron wouldn't defer...

Until Artest can be replaced with a better player I don't see the problem with keeping him here. He is easily the best player on this mediocre team.

I'd like to see Spurs/Pistons in the finals. Both teams and their fans have a mutual respect for each other and their last matchup was great.

Precisely, is he on the same level as KG? Precisely, are they as loved as this years Celtics? KG got special treatment, like any other superstar. That is what pisses me off.

Had it been anyone with a bad rep, they'd be suspended. But this is KG, and the Celtics.

First of all, you didn't even attempt to address it. Anyways, Agreed..............**** the Suns. I have no interest in them. Their situation is clearly being used as a benchmark. I'm trying to figure out the why they were punished and no Boston/Hawks players were. And substitute Raja...

I never once said there was a conspiracy against the Suns and for the Spurs. I was questioning how two Suns get suspended when a Boston player did the same thing.

I'm not able to watch it again but I recall a player coming off the bench on to the court

Funny that you failed to respond to the entire point of my thread and instead provided a rebuttal to an off-handed comment I half jokingly threw in at the end. You explain to me how what happened to Garnett was fair? According to the rules, he should have been suspended, end of story. And...

What a joke this league has become. Kevin Garnett neither suspended or fined for making intentional physical contact with the ref. A player also came onto the court from Boston's bench. How screwed must Suns fans feel right now. Looks like Stern is willing to do anything to get a...

Martin, because stats don't lie. clutch stats http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM Martin barely edges out Artest, it was closer than I thought.

Not quite yet.

You didn't.

Just wanted to post another :rolleyes: emoticon.

Then what is he here to do? Sounds like we're now talking about Artest.:D

A person would have to be blind to disagree with upinsmoke.

Where is the thread about Martin's D???? LMAO

Then why is the quote now removed from his sig?

I don't care if people want him out of here because of the way he plays the game or disrupts the offense, but the personal attacks on his character are what bother me and seem unfair.