Kings sign Carl Landry
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But she's not throwing in rocks. Maybe she's using a particular cherry that you do not like but it doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad pie. Toss some sugar on it once she serves it to you to take away some of the tart.
OK.. I'm done with the baking analogy.
What I was trying to say is that don't judge something that's not complete. Or at least don't get so pissed that I can see spoke coming out of MY monitor.
OK.. I'm done with the baking analogy.
What I was trying to say is that don't judge something that's not complete. Or at least don't get so pissed that I can see spoke coming out of MY monitor.
Let's be honest, what we can see on this forum right now is far from "critical thinking". Sometimes, it is hard to find any "thinking". Can we actually wait a little bit to see what is PDA's plan actually? Can we all calm down, stop this an end-of-the-world drama and have a normal discussion without insulting our FO? Can we stop saying that this team will definitely suck and be mediocre for good and remember it is only July ... July, 6th? Can we be a little bit more adult? At this point, I do not think it is possible.
Nice try. Make sure that story you are writing fits limited data we have.
We were still going after Calderon even after we got Vasquez.
Vasquez acquiring - 12:08 pm, http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...working-on-signandtrade-deal-for-tyreke-evans
Calderon's refusal - 4:51 pm, http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/4/4494272/nba-free-agency-rumors-jose-calderon-pistons-kings
2 mil extra being too much might be ok if we just did not use 6.5 mil to what you describe as a bench quality player.
At least your post vibes optimism.
We were still going after Calderon even after we got Vasquez.
Vasquez acquiring - 12:08 pm, http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...working-on-signandtrade-deal-for-tyreke-evans
Calderon's refusal - 4:51 pm, http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/7/4/4494272/nba-free-agency-rumors-jose-calderon-pistons-kings
2 mil extra being too much might be ok if we just did not use 6.5 mil to what you describe as a bench quality player.
At least your post vibes optimism.
Curious, what do you expect to see when you come into a thread about a new decision by the team? Do you expect a couple posts that break down the new player, what position they will play and terms of the contract and then all further discussion to decease until the contract expires and we can discuss if the move was successful? I think that would end any discussion in a mere handful of posts.
No, this is too logical, it won't ever happen. We will be a lottery team for the next 50 years because of the moves D'Alessandro made in these first 6 days. Let's bring the Maloofs back, at least there was nothing to discuss during summer, and we knew we were going to suck. I really miss those old good days.
so i guess this puts us at the salary floor after we lost tyreke right? it sure seems like spending just to spend and feels like a chuck hayes contract 2.0 where it will be worthless in a trade about 2 months into the season, carl was terrible here as he just didnt try or had the skills to fit next to cousins. he is most fit as a specialty spot guy on a contender or someone to step in for an injury, what a terrible terrible signing, oh well, at least it wasnt JJ hickson.
Are you suggesting the that we need to to just be quiet keep our thoughts to ourselves and be happy until some time in the future then if we are very polite we can say gee maybe that was not a good move? I have not called for heads, called names or even suggested that there might not be more trades in the future that will make since of this move. What I, and mony other posters have said is that this does not make sense and does not look like a good.
Once Upon a Time....
Ahh, but things aren't always as they appear. A suspension of judgment is called for at the very beginning of the story. We haven't even read the first chapter and yet some seem to know that it's all going to end very badly. Maybe this is a different kind of author that we've been used to. Maybe we've read to many of those trashy novels and wouldn't know good literature from a Harlequin novel. Maybe the beginning isn't as it appears.
Ahh, but things aren't always as they appear. A suspension of judgment is called for at the very beginning of the story. We haven't even read the first chapter and yet some seem to know that it's all going to end very badly. Maybe this is a different kind of author that we've been used to. Maybe we've read to many of those trashy novels and wouldn't know good literature from a Harlequin novel. Maybe the beginning isn't as it appears.
This is what annoys me the last few pages of this thread. To come onto an online forum of a sports team, and not expect conversation and debate is both unrealistic and ludicrous. If you want to wait and see what happens, go for it! No one is making you participate in discussions on the moves. I don't see anyone upset when discussing whether a move was good or bad. I do see people getting upset when others feel the need to tell them that they shouldn't have a discussion for years about a certain transaction. It is a forum for crying out loud.
This is getting comical now.
So we sign a guy, who's already failed here next to the same center we have now, who provides neither PDA's passing (black hole) nor Malone's defense (at this rate PDA's work seems dedicated at reproducing the defensive teams of 3 years ago with Beno (Vasquez) at PG and Landry at PF. He's no better than either PF we already have...this move absolutely reeks of weakness. Landry comes from Golden State, the only players we understand or try to sign (and now are willing to sign) are coming from the former franchises of our employees. We suck them down regardless of fit because we are weak and desperate. We lost Reke over a matter of $2-$3mil apparently. And we use the capspace thus gained to blow $6-$7mil (classic Geoff level contract) on a player we already know doesn't fit, just to say we did something with all the free agents thumbing the nose at the little franchise with the inexperienced peon running it.
And I don't want to hear any more patheticness about "oh we only won 28 games, we were so pathetic we deserve to be trashed". Give me another master! This great vaunted Golden State franchise that oh is so superior won exactly 23 games two years ago. Their response was not to trash their core players, but to keep them and rebuild the mistakes around them. And we've had Carl Landry on this exact same frontline before. One season we went 25-57. The next 24-58. If you are going to use losing as an excuse for everything then Carl's done it for this team just the same as everybody else.
The only possible way that makes a lick of sense is if we are about to trade one of Patterson or JT, and needed another overpaid MLE player to replace them. That's the extent of my hold off on this one. I am repeatedly now bending over backward to make room for anything but blatant stupidity to be reigning over in Kingsland.
So we sign a guy, who's already failed here next to the same center we have now, who provides neither PDA's passing (black hole) nor Malone's defense (at this rate PDA's work seems dedicated at reproducing the defensive teams of 3 years ago with Beno (Vasquez) at PG and Landry at PF. He's no better than either PF we already have...this move absolutely reeks of weakness. Landry comes from Golden State, the only players we understand or try to sign (and now are willing to sign) are coming from the former franchises of our employees. We suck them down regardless of fit because we are weak and desperate. We lost Reke over a matter of $2-$3mil apparently. And we use the capspace thus gained to blow $6-$7mil (classic Geoff level contract) on a player we already know doesn't fit, just to say we did something with all the free agents thumbing the nose at the little franchise with the inexperienced peon running it.
And I don't want to hear any more patheticness about "oh we only won 28 games, we were so pathetic we deserve to be trashed". Give me another master! This great vaunted Golden State franchise that oh is so superior won exactly 23 games two years ago. Their response was not to trash their core players, but to keep them and rebuild the mistakes around them. And we've had Carl Landry on this exact same frontline before. One season we went 25-57. The next 24-58. If you are going to use losing as an excuse for everything then Carl's done it for this team just the same as everybody else.
The only possible way that makes a lick of sense is if we are about to trade one of Patterson or JT, and needed another overpaid MLE player to replace them. That's the extent of my hold off on this one. I am repeatedly now bending over backward to make room for anything but blatant stupidity to be reigning over in Kingsland.
And I don't want to hear from anymore pathetic souls bending over for the new regime out of gratitude that the team is here. PDA didn't save the team. He was getting the real GM doughnuts in Denver when all that went down. He can be a complete ****up and safely so. If Geoff Petrie were still GM and was making these moves he would be getting completely savaged, and rightly so. PDA doesn't even carry around Geoff's faded glory of a decade ago. PDA could be just this bad all the time.
Landry isn't the problem. He's proven to be a tough match up and a good scorer off the bench. The problem is he doesn't fit at all. How many years are we going to avoid filling are painful obvious needs on the defense end? This is in the same vein of the flexible pieces crap that has dogged us for almost a decade now.
With the new regime I was hoping for a clear direction, admittedly I hoped that would be adding veteran talent around Cousins and Evans, but all I see are new holes and gaping old ones STILL yet to be addressed in any way.
With the new regime I was hoping for a clear direction, admittedly I hoped that would be adding veteran talent around Cousins and Evans, but all I see are new holes and gaping old ones STILL yet to be addressed in any way.
This is again someone twisting the words of those against these last two moves. No one is saying they know for a fact how this turns out. Judging these two moves alone, the only two moves in PDA's career and not liking them and being of the opinion he's not off to a good start is not the same as implying you know he'll be a failure, it will all end badly, we'll be in the lottery for the next 50 years or we're jumping off a cliff, or all the other strawman hyperbole I've read lately.
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No, what he's saying is that it's really disheartening to come here and see so much hostility among Kings fans when we've been through so much and actually felt good about things for a couple of days.
Look at his post again. He's asking for - as am I - "Can we all calm down, stop this an end-of-the-world drama and have a normal discussion without insulting our FO?" There are lots of rational thinkers here who are making valid comments on all sides of the issue. It is the few drama queens who stir the pot with a comment or two and then stand back and watch the carnage that are the problem.
We can have opposing opinions about what has happened thus far and what we hope/fear will happen in the near or distant future without resorting to the insults, degrading comments, snarky barbs, etc. that derail any valid conversation and turn it into a swirling cesspool of insults.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the majority of people (you included, HC) who care enough to express their opinions about our Kings, even if my opinion doesn't agree with theirs. I have no respect for those few who always make it into some kind of personal affront that their opinion isn't accepted as the only valid one on whatever issue is being discussed. Those few are turning this into nothing more than an ugly amateur copy of some political debate ... and I think we can all agree that's not good for much of anything.
Look at his post again. He's asking for - as am I - "Can we all calm down, stop this an end-of-the-world drama and have a normal discussion without insulting our FO?" There are lots of rational thinkers here who are making valid comments on all sides of the issue. It is the few drama queens who stir the pot with a comment or two and then stand back and watch the carnage that are the problem.
We can have opposing opinions about what has happened thus far and what we hope/fear will happen in the near or distant future without resorting to the insults, degrading comments, snarky barbs, etc. that derail any valid conversation and turn it into a swirling cesspool of insults.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the majority of people (you included, HC) who care enough to express their opinions about our Kings, even if my opinion doesn't agree with theirs. I have no respect for those few who always make it into some kind of personal affront that their opinion isn't accepted as the only valid one on whatever issue is being discussed. Those few are turning this into nothing more than an ugly amateur copy of some political debate ... and I think we can all agree that's not good for much of anything.
I just read through this entire thread and this is the only thing I want to post:
So... it's unfair for me, as a fan, to bash the moves this FO is making because they inherited a damaged team and saved the team from moving?
Ok, then I would also argue that it is completely unfair for the new regime not to understand that when they bought into this damaged team, they also bought a damaged fanbase. A fanbase that has learned not to trust and not to be patient. A fanbase that has learned not to rely or believe their owners or their FO or their coaching staff. A fanbase that is suspect of every single move and a fanbase that has lived and died with this team through thick and then.
I am grateful to Vivek and the new regime. Don't question that. But please don't expect me to trust without caution and without regard. It is my right as a fan, especially if you expect me to buy into the product you're selling me. Remember, that long before the Maloofs - we were here. And long after Vivek, we will still be here.
And for the record, I'm not in favor of the Landry signing...yet. I would be if we didn't already have a packed frontline. So if this move is the first of a few more, I'm good.
So... it's unfair for me, as a fan, to bash the moves this FO is making because they inherited a damaged team and saved the team from moving?
Ok, then I would also argue that it is completely unfair for the new regime not to understand that when they bought into this damaged team, they also bought a damaged fanbase. A fanbase that has learned not to trust and not to be patient. A fanbase that has learned not to rely or believe their owners or their FO or their coaching staff. A fanbase that is suspect of every single move and a fanbase that has lived and died with this team through thick and then.
I am grateful to Vivek and the new regime. Don't question that. But please don't expect me to trust without caution and without regard. It is my right as a fan, especially if you expect me to buy into the product you're selling me. Remember, that long before the Maloofs - we were here. And long after Vivek, we will still be here.
And for the record, I'm not in favor of the Landry signing...yet. I would be if we didn't already have a packed frontline. So if this move is the first of a few more, I'm good.
No, what he's saying is that it's really disheartening to come here and see so much hostility among Kings fans when we've been through so much and actually felt good about things for a couple of days.
Look at his post again. He's asking for - as am I - "Can we all calm down, stop this an end-of-the-world drama and have a normal discussion without insulting our FO?" There are lots of rational thinkers here who are making valid comments on all sides of the issue. It is the few drama queens who stir the pot with a comment or two and then stand back and watch the carnage that are the problem.
We can have opposing opinions about what has happened thus far and what we hope/fear will happen in the near or distant future without resorting to the insults, degrading comments, snarky barbs, etc. that derail any valid conversation and turn it into a swirling cesspool of insults.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the majority of people (you included, HC) who care enough to express their opinions about our Kings, even if my opinion doesn't agree with theirs. I have no respect for those few who always make it into some kind of personal affront that their opinion isn't accepted as the only valid one on whatever issue is being discussed. Those few are turning this into nothing more than an ugly amateur copy of some political debate ... and I think we can all agree that's not good for much of anything.
Look at his post again. He's asking for - as am I - "Can we all calm down, stop this an end-of-the-world drama and have a normal discussion without insulting our FO?" There are lots of rational thinkers here who are making valid comments on all sides of the issue. It is the few drama queens who stir the pot with a comment or two and then stand back and watch the carnage that are the problem.
We can have opposing opinions about what has happened thus far and what we hope/fear will happen in the near or distant future without resorting to the insults, degrading comments, snarky barbs, etc. that derail any valid conversation and turn it into a swirling cesspool of insults.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the majority of people (you included, HC) who care enough to express their opinions about our Kings, even if my opinion doesn't agree with theirs. I have no respect for those few who always make it into some kind of personal affront that their opinion isn't accepted as the only valid one on whatever issue is being discussed. Those few are turning this into nothing more than an ugly amateur copy of some political debate ... and I think we can all agree that's not good for much of anything.
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