Kings sign Carl Landry
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Posts like this are exactly my point. You only think they are going to suck. You don't know they are going to suck.
Besides surely there are more moves to come anyway and the season doesn't even start for several months.
Yet you are so sure the team is going to suck......... Can you also predict the future and predict what additional moves will be made or what moves won't be made?
Besides surely there are more moves to come anyway and the season doesn't even start for several months.
Yet you are so sure the team is going to suck......... Can you also predict the future and predict what additional moves will be made or what moves won't be made?
People really need to relax. There is debating and then there is insulting. We defended Petrie for years and years after each and every head scratching move, PDA is currently two moves into his career and people are beginning to attack each other. Vision requires patience. Let Vivek and Co. do their thing and fill out the roster the way they see fit. Even if some moves don't work, they clearly don't have problems being aggressive and I am sure they would address any weaknesses without hesitation.
so what were you trying to say by implying that people are thanking someone from saving the team, and then demand from the same person to do exactly what they say and build the championship team (which is very big exaggeration since nobody was expecting that to be done for years, much less in 5 days).
Were you quoting something you got from the fan?
You are not on trial here to pretend to be a lawyer, what you typed has the message that kings fans are ungrateful, whiny crybabies. You used exaggeration to drive that point home.
If you tried to convey different message, please clarify and I will apologize.
Were you quoting something you got from the fan?
You are not on trial here to pretend to be a lawyer, what you typed has the message that kings fans are ungrateful, whiny crybabies. You used exaggeration to drive that point home.
If you tried to convey different message, please clarify and I will apologize.
People criticized Petrie for years and years too. There is always arguments for both sides, and it's ridiculous to think that an internet forum wouldn't discuss every single move that happens with the team. Both the pros and cons will be discussed and people will disagree. If you fall into the "wait and see" camp what is the purpose of visiting a forum for the team?
It would be wrong to COME TO CONCLUSIONS. I don't mind critiquing the moves but the talk here is like people want to throw the guy in purgatory or something. It's way too soon to even consider getting all riled up like a lot of people in this thread have.
EDIT: corrected something I said to make it politically correct.
EDIT: corrected something I said to make it politically correct.
You're missing the point.
Fans are throwing PDA under the bus. Just look through any page and any thread and you'll find the "PDA is stupid, no clue what he's doing, doesn't understand the market, our team needs etc". Those are HUGE assumptions that are far too premature.
You don't have to like Landry-Vasquez acquisitions. But it's completely unfair to be calling for PDA's head 6 days into his Kings career. For all we know, Vasquez is 17-10-5, Landry is 15-8 off the bench and Reke is a huge disappointment in NO. Would the same people calling for PDA's head change their tune?
Fans are throwing PDA under the bus. Just look through any page and any thread and you'll find the "PDA is stupid, no clue what he's doing, doesn't understand the market, our team needs etc". Those are HUGE assumptions that are far too premature.
You don't have to like Landry-Vasquez acquisitions. But it's completely unfair to be calling for PDA's head 6 days into his Kings career. For all we know, Vasquez is 17-10-5, Landry is 15-8 off the bench and Reke is a huge disappointment in NO. Would the same people calling for PDA's head change their tune?
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I like that we are acquiring good players and, most likely addressing the change in culture....I get people are upset with Reke moving on but when you win 28 games.....well, I'm just happy that moves are being made. I'm sure there are more moves to be made as some of these jokers from last years team need to go. I doubt anyone knows exactly who contributed to a poor culture on this team in a negative way or if it was a collective group effort......yeah, Smart probably had his lions share of the blame. But you can't change the culture of a team without changing the makeup of the team. This doesn't mean Reke is to blame and I don't care to guess who is or was to blame....doesn't matter. When I see a guy like Sam Young being mentioned as we are interested in him, I can't help to think that he's a lunch pail guy, a locker room guy who we can surround Cousins and McLemore and McCallum with. Now that IS important. Surround Cousins and McL with guys that can help their development. Talent wins but, damn, the first step is getting our mentality right with our players. Bringing new players can and will help. Is one of the reasons they pulled the offer from Iggy...they said they want guys who want to be here. Talent is needed to win and win big, but we are a year or 2 out from attaining this....we just are. I just want the team to get out on the floor and play good basketball, work their butts off, have some concept of team in year 1 of the new regime. We haven't had any concept of "team" in seemingly forever....maybe back to the glory days. Look what the owner and Malone were part of in GS. I saw a piece on that team this year that focused on how close-knit the group was. Yes, they had some talented pieces but they also had a bunch of guys who just contributed and knew their roles...they got it as a team.
What I see right now is the FO in the process of building a team.....key word is process....this is a process. And these FA signings are not addressing the current hole at SF or a shot blocking big and don't come across as sexy, but i think we're gaining in other areas....and with more moves to come as its going to be a process.
What I see right now is the FO in the process of building a team.....key word is process....this is a process. And these FA signings are not addressing the current hole at SF or a shot blocking big and don't come across as sexy, but i think we're gaining in other areas....and with more moves to come as its going to be a process.
I'll also add, most seem to be questioning PDA. And I'd say rightfully so as he has zero history as a GM to go on and all you can judge him on is the present, and thus far there's not much which says we're moving in the right direction and that's probably being kind.
But whether people agree or disagree with PDA and his decisions thus far, I don't see anyone attacking Vivek. Vivek buying the team is completely different from PDA's decisions, and PDA didn't buy the team so the fact this team was saved by Vivek really has zero bearing on what PDA is doing.
But whether people agree or disagree with PDA and his decisions thus far, I don't see anyone attacking Vivek. Vivek buying the team is completely different from PDA's decisions, and PDA didn't buy the team so the fact this team was saved by Vivek really has zero bearing on what PDA is doing.
I never said you did. I did quote your tweet above which has the same intent behind it while not using those exact words, but even then, that's not the point.
Still, why are you trying to deflect on a technicality? All I'm asking is that you refrain from incorrectly labeling (or implying that...same difference) those who disagree with two player personnel moves as "ungrateful". It's not true, and I think you know in your heart that it's not true. But I guess it's convenient. For my part, I could easily distort the arguments of those who say that we ought to be patient with the front office into ad hominems and insults, but I haven't and I won't. I challenge you and the others on here who have been doing it (as well as any on "my" side who might be doing it as well) to refrain and take the high road.
Still, why are you trying to deflect on a technicality? All I'm asking is that you refrain from incorrectly labeling (or implying that...same difference) those who disagree with two player personnel moves as "ungrateful". It's not true, and I think you know in your heart that it's not true. But I guess it's convenient. For my part, I could easily distort the arguments of those who say that we ought to be patient with the front office into ad hominems and insults, but I haven't and I won't. I challenge you and the others on here who have been doing it (as well as any on "my" side who might be doing it as well) to refrain and take the high road.
I am getting pretty sick of posters who act as if anything short of blind acceptance and fantastical devotion makes someone either an ingrate or poor fan. This is Basketball NOT religion. Many of us who love the sport AND our team also enjoy critical thinking. We look at the team building, like we look at the game, and ask questions like: is this the best move? what might a different (read better) GM or coach have done. I don't think that Spurs fans who questioned leaving Duncan on the bench in the final moments of game 6 are heretics or ingrates. Likewise fans who question trading Tyreke for Vasquez, cap space and 2 second round picks or the wisdom of bringing back a a player who we traded away because his talents did not fit the team does not make them cry babies, ungrateful or bad fans. It makes them critical thinkers who love their team but do not accept all decisions as infallible wisdom.
No, you're twisting what is being said.
People are worried it doesn't appear he understands the market, doesn't appear to be fixing our team needs and appears thus far to be winging it. That's far different than what you're implying. And if there are a couple posters going around calling PDA an idiot and that's their argument, don't lump the rest of this side with those few posters and act like that represents the other side.
People are worried it doesn't appear he understands the market, doesn't appear to be fixing our team needs and appears thus far to be winging it. That's far different than what you're implying. And if there are a couple posters going around calling PDA an idiot and that's their argument, don't lump the rest of this side with those few posters and act like that represents the other side.
I can't believe what I'm reading... I mean, do you think we were going to be able to trade for Lebron (of course sending Salmons and Hayes to Miami) and sign Paul? Or maybe once the team was saved by Vivek we had to become contender in 2 weeks? I really don't understand. People here are judging PDA after 6 days, when he's trying to rebuild a team unable to win 30 games in the last 5 years- After all, I think we should just give him some time. It's been 6 days, 6!!! Did you notice that we are not going to get any major FA? So, maybe there's a plan here. Sign Landry to have a solid 6th man, and be able to trade other players (Patterson, Hayes, IT, Thornton, I don't know) for a good SF (Deng? Granger? Gay?). I'm pretty sure PDA's job is not done. The only way to get a good SF is by trade. And this move seems made for an upcoming move. Just be a little patient! It's like you're building a house, and you know it's going to take a month. After a week, do you complain because there's no walls and no roof? Calm down guys.
I am allowed an opinion of signings and trades as much as anyone. I criticize the moves, but I don't pretend that the Landry signing will be the last action this FO takes. As much as you are allowed to discuss your approval or disapproval of moves, others can decide to accept the move and wait to see how it fits when they are done with acquiring players. If you look at one single piece of a puzzle, it won't make sense and you won't have a clue as to what the puzzle is about. When you have the puzzle laid out in front of you and you have that same piece in your hand, you can see how and why that piece is there. That is the view I choose to take. If you bother going back, you can read for yourself I questioned why they got Landry, but before making a final judgment that will no doubt consist of doom and gloom, I will wait until things are complete. If things stay the same, then I shall join the negativity that has taken over Kingsfans
I don't agree or disagree with what he has done yet because I am not rushing to judgement based on the couple moves he's done in 2-3 days. I wasn't thrilled about having MLM at first although I do like him as a player. It totally BLEW THE F UP what direction I wanted the Kings to go in but oh well, right?
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here
) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete?
Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here
) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete? Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
Can't believe I got to the bottom of this thread (or is it the top?). Anyway, I don't like the Landry signing - based on how the roster looks right now. In fact, based on the current roster, it looks like a foolish move. So I can go into high drama and criticize PDM (or Malone or both), or I can count to 10 and wait to see the rest of PDA's moves between now and summer league. Jeeze... I'll go with the latter.
Is there any way to set up my account so that certain posters can't be seen? Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people just express their opinions over and over and over and over...
Is there any way to set up my account so that certain posters can't be seen? Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people just express their opinions over and over and over and over...
I don't agree or disagree with what he has done yet because I am not rushing to judgement based on the couple moves he's done in 2-3 days. I wasn't thrilled about having MLM at first although I do like him as a player. It totally BLEW THE F UP what direction I wanted the Kings to go in but oh well, right?
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here ) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete?
Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here
) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete? Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
But yes, it mind still end up being the best cherry pie I ever had, but I sure wouldn't be confident of that. And that a guy named Bibek bought and saved the house in which the kitchen resides would not enter into my decision making process on whether that pie will taste good or not.
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I don't agree or disagree with what he has done yet because I am not rushing to judgement based on the couple moves he's done in 2-3 days. I wasn't thrilled about having MLM at first although I do like him as a player. It totally BLEW THE F UP what direction I wanted the Kings to go in but oh well, right?
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here ) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete?
Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
If VF was in a baking contest (sorry, you're the only older woman I know here
) and the judge wanted to take her cherry pie from the oven when she just put it in 5 minutes ago and judge it based on it's merit at that time do you think he would judge it as being a good pie or a load of dough with cold cherry filling? Do you think it's fair for the judge to pull poor VF's pie from the oven that she's worked so hard on in order to judge it when it's not even complete? Sorry... I like Cherry Pie
Let's be honest here. It's a two-way street. I'm getting pretty sick of posters who act as though me having faith and not wanting to rush to judgment is somehow ignorant or short-sighted or "settling." Instead of people lecturing each other on how they should think or act, why can't we find a way to respect all the opinions and debate them? Way too many posts around here lately have ended up with righteous indignation on one side or the other when there is only one real truth: Not a damned one of us knows for certain what"s going to happen with this team come the start of the season. We're all speculating, guessing, assuming, hoping, fearing, etc. and if the past is any indication of the future, we'll keep on doing it ...
Could we at least do it with a modicum of civility?
Could we at least do it with a modicum of civility?
A lot of posters here are going WAY overboard on something that's not even a finished product. And how do we even know if Landry's talent will fit with the team when we don't even know what the team makeup will be? Great, Landry didn't fit with the FORMER team. Will he fit with the current team? WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE IS NO CURRENT TEAM YET!
FWIW I am on the fence about this move and have not really been excited about anything as of yet. But I did also tell myself that I would give the rebuild three years minimum, not that I can't complain on individual moves in the meantime.
FWIW I am on the fence about this move and have not really been excited about anything as of yet. But I did also tell myself that I would give the rebuild three years minimum, not that I can't complain on individual moves in the meantime.
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