Now, about Vasquez...
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im gonna paste what i wrote in the trade thread:
regardless of the fact that i think losing Tyreke sucks big time, im happy we have a pass first guard like Vasquez. BUT
here are the reasons im scared and skeptical about Grieves Vasquez:
1: just had double Ankle surgery. maybe it was minor, still something to watch
2:even our own Front Office didnt want him in this trade! they wanted to sign Calderon and send Vasquez somewhere else in a 3 team trade. that raises red flags
3: He was the floor leader of a team that won 27 games last season. (which kills the argument of the people saying we couldnt win 30 games with Tyreke)
4: He set a franchise record last year for Turnovers.
5: the fact that New Orleans was willing to ship out a potential talent like Nerlins Noel, to replace Vasquez (Holliday) raises some HUGE red flags in my mind
regardless of the fact that i think losing Tyreke sucks big time, im happy we have a pass first guard like Vasquez. BUT
here are the reasons im scared and skeptical about Grieves Vasquez:
1: just had double Ankle surgery. maybe it was minor, still something to watch
2:even our own Front Office didnt want him in this trade! they wanted to sign Calderon and send Vasquez somewhere else in a 3 team trade. that raises red flags
3: He was the floor leader of a team that won 27 games last season. (which kills the argument of the people saying we couldnt win 30 games with Tyreke)
4: He set a franchise record last year for Turnovers.
5: the fact that New Orleans was willing to ship out a potential talent like Nerlins Noel, to replace Vasquez (Holliday) raises some HUGE red flags in my mind
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Vasquez's ankles
"Double ankle surgery" definitely sounds a bit sensational. The guy had minor surgery to remove loose particles in his ankles. It's not as if he tore any tendons or ligaments. Regardless of how you feel about the trade, this is Sacramento and we support all of our players. Let's give the guy a chance to play before we pick him apart.
"Double ankle surgery" definitely sounds a bit sensational. The guy had minor surgery to remove loose particles in his ankles. It's not as if he tore any tendons or ligaments. Regardless of how you feel about the trade, this is Sacramento and we support all of our players. Let's give the guy a chance to play before we pick him apart.
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I am not going to lie, when we draft MLM I was pretty pissed because people were already naming Evans the PG and that was the last place I wanted Evans.
Then the Iggy talks heated up and I figured that putting Iggy with Evans could be a good thing.
Then the Iggy thing fell through and we were back to Evans at PG with nobody else to help handle the ball. Recipe for offensive disaster imo.
All the while we are trying to figure out which player can play with Evans (very short list of players that might have been available).
Then this whole Greivis thing comes up and the clouds part because rather than looking for pieces to fit we can just plug and play. I have always said about a good passing PG is that you really don't have to find players that fit next to them because if that PG knows what the players are going to do before they do it then he'll have no problem getting them the ball to score. Guys wont stand around if they know they can get easy buckets if they move.
I am not going to lie, when we draft MLM I was pretty pissed because people were already naming Evans the PG and that was the last place I wanted Evans.
Then the Iggy talks heated up and I figured that putting Iggy with Evans could be a good thing.
Then the Iggy thing fell through and we were back to Evans at PG with nobody else to help handle the ball. Recipe for offensive disaster imo.
All the while we are trying to figure out which player can play with Evans (very short list of players that might have been available).
Then this whole Greivis thing comes up and the clouds part because rather than looking for pieces to fit we can just plug and play. I have always said about a good passing PG is that you really don't have to find players that fit next to them because if that PG knows what the players are going to do before they do it then he'll have no problem getting them the ball to score. Guys wont stand around if they know they can get easy buckets if they move.
I will join you 
I'm all for watching what the FO does now, but there are certain lines that they should simply not cross. Monta Ellis is one of them.
I'm all for watching what the FO does now, but there are certain lines that they should simply not cross. Monta Ellis is one of them.
Very true about a good passing PG. Question is - why have most championship teams not had a pass-first PG? Answer is that the best big men and SGs (as that is the most common combination) don't need to be set up for easy buckets. How many buckets does Lebron get set up for? Kobe? Wade? A lot of their offense is created off the dribble. Same goes for big men in the post. The case for Parker and perhaps Curry is slightly different, as they are scoring threats first and are good passers second. They draw a lot of attention to themselves and find open guys as a result of it. That was what I had hoped for Evans as well. Also, coaching and gameplan has a lot to do with off-ball movement, perhaps even more than individual effort. There will always be the great off-ball players that don't stop moving such as Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, maybe even Kyle Korver, but a lot of successful open looks are created off of movement and screens that must be directed by the coach.
It is a relief not having to worry about if Evans can or cant play with so and so. Hes so unique its very hard too build around him. I think Steph Curry is as good as it gets if you wanna pair someone with Reke.
Like you said itll be alot less stressful to fit pieces beside "The General" (im dubbing Grieves "The General", because i cant friggan spell his name right, its different every time...) and as much as ill miss reke im glad we dont have too worry about that problem anymore. Or argue over it for YEARS for that matter.
Like you said itll be alot less stressful to fit pieces beside "The General" (im dubbing Grieves "The General", because i cant friggan spell his name right, its different every time...) and as much as ill miss reke im glad we dont have too worry about that problem anymore. Or argue over it for YEARS for that matter.
1. True.
2. But what does it say about this team that they saw the need for a pass first guard so much that they went after Jose and settled for Vasquez? I think that's more of an indictment about how the current team lacks such a player and their desperate need to fill that hole than anything.
3. Consider this: the hornets had less talent than the kings. With Gordon injured on and off, the second best player on that team was Anderson.
4. I'd be more worried if he had a low AST/TO rate, but the guy lead the league in assists. I don't mind his 3 TOPG if he's getting 9 or 10 dimes with it.
5. Had you ever thought about the fact that it was less about getting rid of Vasquez, and more about the front office targeting a Holiday/Gordon/Evans back court? If they had that plan all along, then it's just strategic planning to upgrade the team as a whole and less about wanting to get rid of a talented player.
2. But what does it say about this team that they saw the need for a pass first guard so much that they went after Jose and settled for Vasquez? I think that's more of an indictment about how the current team lacks such a player and their desperate need to fill that hole than anything.
3. Consider this: the hornets had less talent than the kings. With Gordon injured on and off, the second best player on that team was Anderson.
4. I'd be more worried if he had a low AST/TO rate, but the guy lead the league in assists. I don't mind his 3 TOPG if he's getting 9 or 10 dimes with it.
5. Had you ever thought about the fact that it was less about getting rid of Vasquez, and more about the front office targeting a Holiday/Gordon/Evans back court? If they had that plan all along, then it's just strategic planning to upgrade the team as a whole and less about wanting to get rid of a talented player.
The clouds didn't part and clear Gary, they moved next door and dumped all over me and everyone else who watched through gritted teeth as our brilliant coach took one of the best ballhandlers in the league and asked him to stand in the corner and watch. So you got what you wanted, congratulations. At least this stupid broken record of an argument can end now. But there's a saying which I think is appropriate here... be careful what you wish for, cause you just might get it.
Obviously this is to be taken with a grain of salt, but does anyone else remember how crazy about vasquez Jerry Reynolds was near the end of the season? He was caught several times saying things along the lines of "there aren't many point guards in the league who are better than this guy." He also said he thought he was the most underrated player in the league. Am I the only one that remembers this?
I remember Reynolds gushing about Vasquez several times last season as well. I think he also said something along the lines that GV was one of most improved players in the league which turned out to be true in the voting. Hopefully, Vasquez keeps on improving because at this point he's very good but not nearly as good overall as Evans.
Vasquez is a true pg that makes all his teammates better, scorers love playing with a guy like Vasquez, not only that but the guy plays with a fire. Yes he may be limited athletically, but his intangibles and basketball IQ make up for it. I had league pass, and was able to catch plenty of Hornet games, and watched most of the Hornet vs Lakers and Hornets vs Clipper games on local tv. Announcers would constantly say "wow this guy can play", i think everyone was impressed with just his understanding of the game, making the right pass at the right moment. At 26 years old, and not relying on athletic ability, he is still a player on the rise imo. Won't reach his prime until 28-29.
Lol give it a rest bro. Obviously I wasnt the only person who heard he had surgery on both ankles, look at the title of that article lol.
I get it, your happy Tyreke is gone. And I think you think I hate Vasquez, no I think he is a very solid PG and it will be fun to see how he plays with DMC and McLemore. But it wasnt worth losing reke, and I think we could have kept reke and still gotten Vasquez since they were shopping him after picking up holiday
I get it, your happy Tyreke is gone. And I think you think I hate Vasquez, no I think he is a very solid PG and it will be fun to see how he plays with DMC and McLemore. But it wasnt worth losing reke, and I think we could have kept reke and still gotten Vasquez since they were shopping him after picking up holiday
I don't know about that. I'm a known supporter of pass first point guards; so obviously I'm a bit biased, but if you're saying Evans overall game is better I would have to disagree. Guards today need to have a good mid range game IMO, and what killed me about Tyreke even more than his poor jump shooting was his lack of a mid range game. Vasquez right now has one of the best floaters in the league and he's been known to hit the Curry scoop on occasion. He can shoot the three, (Not the best, I know) get to the rim, and he actually has very fast hands on defense much like Rubio. I think many people will be surprised at how big of an impact he has on this team immediately. This isn't to say I dislike Tyreke, but I don't believe he was the right fit for this team at this time.
Actually, I don't think you really do get it. I like Tyreke, not happy he's gone, but this is a business and it is what it is. I think D'Allesandro has a tough job of fitting the right pieces to accomplish the best results. I think judging the final picture before the work is done is simply foolish. I think if you have knowledge (knowledge meaning FACT) of something, share it. I also think if you don't, don't make it up and pass it off as gospel. No matter how many times you say something, it doesn't make it true.