Kings pull offer to Iguodala (split)
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Um, that's part of the problem. You're ASSUMING the rest of the league thinks our front office looks unorganized and dumb. You DON'T know that. In fact, there's absolutely NO indication - other than a couple of minor hack bloggers - that anyone thinks that's true.
I'm gonna keep saying this until someone at least acknowledges it: IT'S ONLY JULY 4. We have NO idea what the front office has in mind as their goal this season. We knew there would be changes and yet some of us are whining like little kids with spilled milk because the changes haven't YET made us into three-time champions.
People need to take a freaking deep breath and calm down. Quit over-reacting to every single announcement, tweet, etc. that comes along and let the process play out. Quit second guessing the end of the movie before you've even parked your car or purchased your ticket.
I'm gonna keep saying this until someone at least acknowledges it: IT'S ONLY JULY 4. We have NO idea what the front office has in mind as their goal this season. We knew there would be changes and yet some of us are whining like little kids with spilled milk because the changes haven't YET made us into three-time champions.
People need to take a freaking deep breath and calm down. Quit over-reacting to every single announcement, tweet, etc. that comes along and let the process play out. Quit second guessing the end of the movie before you've even parked your car or purchased your ticket.
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I went to bed at 6:30 AM and the mood around here was decidedly angry. I awake and things have calmed considerably.
It is too bad we have no real facts to deal with BECAUSE WE DON'T. The trade concerning Tyreke is not clear but if we go with the latest that means we traded for Vasquez and cap space of about $9 mil, this means we have to spend it as there is a minimum salary we need to meet. If we amnesty Salmons, we have enough money to sign Iggy and more. I posted a nice calm note last night that I assume nobody wanted to hear because it was rational and everyone was in anger mode. The long and short of it as that I will be very disappointed with what we THINK is going on unless we sign a major SF or defensive big. I didn't think Lopex was adequate and I awake to find out that in all probability we are NOT settling for Lopez. That's fine with me.
Now what to do we do with the cap space? I think it is naive to believe that we have not kept in contact with Iggy and frankly, I will see this Tyreke trade as a failure IN THE PRESENT if we don't get Iggy. That being said, as long as we spend enough money to hit the minimum salary, we still have all summer and up to the trading deadline to either fill our holes at SF and defensive big. In case that was confusing, we have to meet the minimum salary yet have extra time for trades.
Many had hopes either to keep Tyreke or to solve all our problems in one year. It's not likely and would be miraculous if we accomplished it. Yet it is now possible. With the amount of cap space we would have if we amnesty Salmons ($20 mil), we could sign Iggy to a contract that terminates when we have to resign McLemore and maybe get a mid-level defensive big who is unlikely to be a real game changer. I would settle for Aldrich as a temporary measure if everything fails.
So to keep on topic, we offered Iggy a contract, pulled it, and now can offer again. We don't know the relationship between us and Iggy at this time or Iggy's thoughts about the Kings FO but we DO know that PDA knows Iggy. All is not over.
It is too bad we have no real facts to deal with BECAUSE WE DON'T. The trade concerning Tyreke is not clear but if we go with the latest that means we traded for Vasquez and cap space of about $9 mil, this means we have to spend it as there is a minimum salary we need to meet. If we amnesty Salmons, we have enough money to sign Iggy and more. I posted a nice calm note last night that I assume nobody wanted to hear because it was rational and everyone was in anger mode. The long and short of it as that I will be very disappointed with what we THINK is going on unless we sign a major SF or defensive big. I didn't think Lopex was adequate and I awake to find out that in all probability we are NOT settling for Lopez. That's fine with me.
Now what to do we do with the cap space? I think it is naive to believe that we have not kept in contact with Iggy and frankly, I will see this Tyreke trade as a failure IN THE PRESENT if we don't get Iggy. That being said, as long as we spend enough money to hit the minimum salary, we still have all summer and up to the trading deadline to either fill our holes at SF and defensive big. In case that was confusing, we have to meet the minimum salary yet have extra time for trades.
Many had hopes either to keep Tyreke or to solve all our problems in one year. It's not likely and would be miraculous if we accomplished it. Yet it is now possible. With the amount of cap space we would have if we amnesty Salmons ($20 mil), we could sign Iggy to a contract that terminates when we have to resign McLemore and maybe get a mid-level defensive big who is unlikely to be a real game changer. I would settle for Aldrich as a temporary measure if everything fails.
So to keep on topic, we offered Iggy a contract, pulled it, and now can offer again. We don't know the relationship between us and Iggy at this time or Iggy's thoughts about the Kings FO but we DO know that PDA knows Iggy. All is not over.
Just a slight tad difference given that we are basically talking about paying Andre Igoudala, he of 13pts 5reb 5ast, roughly the same amount as LeBron, he of nearly double those numbers.
LeBron begins to slide, in 4 years he's "only" 21 7 and 7. Iggy begins to slide, and in 4 years he could be a $16mil unmoveable bench player.
LeBron begins to slide, in 4 years he's "only" 21 7 and 7. Iggy begins to slide, and in 4 years he could be a $16mil unmoveable bench player.
Again, late to the madness, but it still boggles my mind how we went from Iggy to Reke to Vasquez+cap space. I'd have taken either of the first two options over the last one, since the last one is still open to interpretation--are we looking to win the press conferences, or are we looking to actually win in terms of long-term viable talent with our cap space?
I'm a big fan of Iggy mostly because almost everything is a strength that doesn't involve his jumper. He's an elite defender, both in terms of guarding shots on and off the ball and disrupting/rebounding--top two for both in Denver last year, and he obviously played a critical role in elevating them in defensive efficiency, from 19th to 11th. On offense he's crazy sick when he gets to the rim--he draws fouls well but among SGs, when he gets to the rim he's dunking more than half the time. For reference, the next best is Wade, and he only dunks a quarter of the time. He's easily a 100-dunk candidate a season, and what's impressive is all the mileage he's had with heavy minutes from the get-go, and he's still dunking like this. And of course, he can play three positions very well on both ends of the court, because his point forward skills are exquisite and he's an elite passer who limits turnovers extremely well. And for a near go-to guy, he's insanely durable. He's played 8 seasons and only missed about 27 games, despite packing athleticism on both ends of the court, so I don't think there's many "Crash" like problems with this guy. That's four elite attributes he has. In a league where most teams strive to even get one, or are very fortunate to get two, Iggy's in a unique class of his own with four.
His jumper is easily bottom ten among SGs, and has regressed every year, and people have complained he's too passive looking for his own shot, but people don't realize that scoring and shooting are the easiest things to get in free agency/draft/trades/etc. It's very rare to get the combination of athleticism, defense skill and durability that Iggy provides. He plugs up a lot of holes in 5-man lineups all by himself, and is particularly optimized by shooters and scorers around him--in other words, he's easy to build around.
Of course there are concerns about his age, but he's only 29 right now, and I think he's smart--he's taking a backseat in usage rate and not going all-out the way someone like Gerald Wallace would have, so he can still preserve his athleticism. And he takes care of his body and avoids injury-prone type situations in general. And his defensive acumen and passing ability are things that don't deterioriate with age, and they're on the elite level. I still would have taken that risk, because there's a lot of stuff that's too good to pass up here.
I'm a big fan of Iggy mostly because almost everything is a strength that doesn't involve his jumper. He's an elite defender, both in terms of guarding shots on and off the ball and disrupting/rebounding--top two for both in Denver last year, and he obviously played a critical role in elevating them in defensive efficiency, from 19th to 11th. On offense he's crazy sick when he gets to the rim--he draws fouls well but among SGs, when he gets to the rim he's dunking more than half the time. For reference, the next best is Wade, and he only dunks a quarter of the time. He's easily a 100-dunk candidate a season, and what's impressive is all the mileage he's had with heavy minutes from the get-go, and he's still dunking like this. And of course, he can play three positions very well on both ends of the court, because his point forward skills are exquisite and he's an elite passer who limits turnovers extremely well. And for a near go-to guy, he's insanely durable. He's played 8 seasons and only missed about 27 games, despite packing athleticism on both ends of the court, so I don't think there's many "Crash" like problems with this guy. That's four elite attributes he has. In a league where most teams strive to even get one, or are very fortunate to get two, Iggy's in a unique class of his own with four.
His jumper is easily bottom ten among SGs, and has regressed every year, and people have complained he's too passive looking for his own shot, but people don't realize that scoring and shooting are the easiest things to get in free agency/draft/trades/etc. It's very rare to get the combination of athleticism, defense skill and durability that Iggy provides. He plugs up a lot of holes in 5-man lineups all by himself, and is particularly optimized by shooters and scorers around him--in other words, he's easy to build around.
Of course there are concerns about his age, but he's only 29 right now, and I think he's smart--he's taking a backseat in usage rate and not going all-out the way someone like Gerald Wallace would have, so he can still preserve his athleticism. And he takes care of his body and avoids injury-prone type situations in general. And his defensive acumen and passing ability are things that don't deterioriate with age, and they're on the elite level. I still would have taken that risk, because there's a lot of stuff that's too good to pass up here.
I would spend it on tyreke and make a run for ak47 or dorell wright for less money after amnestying salmons and or trades to clear up space. Would I like iggy? Yes, for less money. His game is based on athleticism. If that goes, so does his defense and his mediocre shooting and bad ft% stands out and the 14 mil per year looks horrible. But being that we are a small market team, I stated we will have to over pay for him
There is just something telling me that this saga isn't closed. I think Iggy might get to a point where he'll realize there is no match for the dollar amount or desire for him on the team as there might be here (forecasting the teams left with space, and their potential needs). But I don't know how you get past this initial incident heading forward into the signing and him being on the team. Also, how will the ownership and fans come to grips that we weren't clearly his primary option. Also, its apparent that the new regime is about honor, so they might not look at him again but who knows
I am gonna start the argument. He might not even come here but it bothers me as i looked at it the other day. where is this decline ppl speak of when talking about AI. other than pts his rebound and assist are the same. as far as the pts go he takes 4-5 less shots. same goes for the fall off in pts for Tyreke also. You can't possibly average same amount of points taking 4-5 less shots.
It's not the end of the world. It's not the end of the franchise. We had a young talent who was not given an extension last year. We made the qualifying offer so he could become a RFA. He received a very lucrative offer from New Orleans that we simply did not feel was in our best interests to match for a variety of reasons. We didn't leave him unattended in the parking lot or forget to pick him up at the baggage claim.
It's a business decision, not a disaster (an event that causes serious loss, destruction, hardship, unhappiness, or death). I understand the initial reaction but this is just getting silly IMHO. Kings fans know about disaster - although tragedy would most likely be a better word. Ricky Berry was a tragedy. Tyreke Evans is a business deal.
It's a business decision, not a disaster (an event that causes serious loss, destruction, hardship, unhappiness, or death). I understand the initial reaction but this is just getting silly IMHO. Kings fans know about disaster - although tragedy would most likely be a better word. Ricky Berry was a tragedy. Tyreke Evans is a business deal.
You also, I recall, wasted time defending letting Gerald Wallace go. 
Its certainly he biggest waste of a young talent since that misstep, and it has the same potential to haunt us for another decade.
Its certainly he biggest waste of a young talent since that misstep, and it has the same potential to haunt us for another decade.
I think your first quotation in your signature may just apply here...
I guess it depends on how you look at the whole thing. I am not going to lie, when we draft MLM I was pretty pissed because people were already naming Evans the PG and that was the last place I wanted Evans.
Then the Iggy talks heated up and I figured that putting Iggy with Evans could be a good thing.
Then the Iggy thing fell through and we were back to Evans at PG with nobody else to help handle the ball. Recipe for offensive disaster imo.
All the while we are trying to figure out which player can play with Evans (very short list of players that might have been available).
Then this whole Greivis thing comes up and the clouds part because rather than looking for pieces to fit we can just plug and play. I have always said about a good passing PG is that you really don't have to find players that fit next to them because if that PG knows what the players are going to do before they do it then he'll have no problem getting them the ball to score. Guys wont stand around if they know they can get easy buckets if they move.
Then the Iggy talks heated up and I figured that putting Iggy with Evans could be a good thing.
Then the Iggy thing fell through and we were back to Evans at PG with nobody else to help handle the ball. Recipe for offensive disaster imo.
All the while we are trying to figure out which player can play with Evans (very short list of players that might have been available).
Then this whole Greivis thing comes up and the clouds part because rather than looking for pieces to fit we can just plug and play. I have always said about a good passing PG is that you really don't have to find players that fit next to them because if that PG knows what the players are going to do before they do it then he'll have no problem getting them the ball to score. Guys wont stand around if they know they can get easy buckets if they move.
well with the roster pieces shuffling around who knows!
maybe the PG (Maybe he could have been a more effective PG in a new system with new coaching)
Maybe the SG (everyone is just assuming McLemore is stepping into the starting SG, now i have high hopes for him, but how do we know hes ready to be a NBA starter? the dude hasnt even played a summer league game yet and we are all assuming hes the starting SG)
and maybe SF if we picked up a solid PG in the offseason. (we probably could have gotten Vasquez anyway with a cheap trade since NoLa had no desire to keep him after aquiring Holiday)
maybe the PG (Maybe he could have been a more effective PG in a new system with new coaching)
Maybe the SG (everyone is just assuming McLemore is stepping into the starting SG, now i have high hopes for him, but how do we know hes ready to be a NBA starter? the dude hasnt even played a summer league game yet and we are all assuming hes the starting SG)
and maybe SF if we picked up a solid PG in the offseason. (we probably could have gotten Vasquez anyway with a cheap trade since NoLa had no desire to keep him after aquiring Holiday)
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