Evans for Vasquez
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I know we disagree on this, but in my opinion, we didn't trade Evans for Vasquez. We decided we didn't want to pay Evans that much, actually, I don't think they ever intended to resign Evans, but that aside, that mean't they knew they were probably going to lose him, so all Vasquez meant was that they got something back in return. It was never thought of as equal value. Minimum compension is more like it. You don't like it, I understand that. Personally, I'm moving on because when I get up tomorrow, he'll still be gone and there's nothing I can do about it.
so a power guard who can score at the rim at will, rebound, pass, and defend "doesn't have enough skills to be a star"? but mclemore, a dead-eye stand still shooter that can't create for himself, does have enough skills to be a star?
i'm seriously going to have to take a nice, long break from kf.com. i don't know when the collective wisdom of this community decided to plummet, but it's becoming too much for even me to bear...
i'm seriously going to have to take a nice, long break from kf.com. i don't know when the collective wisdom of this community decided to plummet, but it's becoming too much for even me to bear...
People keep crying in their wheaties that we're never going be able to use the capspace to sign a free agent. As someone pointed out earlier, capspace can be used to absorb salary in a trade, which happens all the time.
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While I was initially shocked/kinda bummed... I've had some time to reflect. Questions:
Tyreke reaching his full potential: how much better does that make Cousins?
Tyreke reaching his full potential: how much better does that make McLemore?
I think the FO has decided to make Cuz the #1 on this team (rightly so), and sees Benny Mac as the clear #2 (apparently made the judgement call over Evans).
Their thinking seems to be that for your #3, do you want to spend 11mil on a player who you don't think has the specialty of facilitating and making other players better.
I would have liked to see how Evans would have done next to Benny Mac, especially defensively, but, I'm also very willing to let the FO do their thing, and nobody is in a position to make a judgment at this point. We can offer conjecture, but only time will tell. I'm back to curious at least.
And no, I would not have wanted Lopez at 6mil either.
The fact that we didn't just match, and then trade him later during the year for better value tells me that we wanted the cap space THIS off-season, so it seems they're shooting for something else.
General comments:
While I was initially shocked/kinda bummed... I've had some time to reflect. Questions:
Tyreke reaching his full potential: how much better does that make Cousins?
Tyreke reaching his full potential: how much better does that make McLemore?
I think the FO has decided to make Cuz the #1 on this team (rightly so), and sees Benny Mac as the clear #2 (apparently made the judgement call over Evans).
Their thinking seems to be that for your #3, do you want to spend 11mil on a player who you don't think has the specialty of facilitating and making other players better.
I would have liked to see how Evans would have done next to Benny Mac, especially defensively, but, I'm also very willing to let the FO do their thing, and nobody is in a position to make a judgment at this point. We can offer conjecture, but only time will tell. I'm back to curious at least.
And no, I would not have wanted Lopez at 6mil either.
The fact that we didn't just match, and then trade him later during the year for better value tells me that we wanted the cap space THIS off-season, so it seems they're shooting for something else.
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It is what it is. We can hope the cap space is used effectively, but I have no reason to be confident of that given the Sac market history. You know the saying, **** in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up first.
For all we know in a week or two we add Asik and AK, or, we look like it was just Reke for Vasquez and there's little chance we make a big FA signing or pull off a trade bringing back star level talent/prospects. But, I know which situation is more likely. And you're right, we can't control any of this, all we can do is discuss it. And I maintain it was Reke for Vasquez/cap space and we wouldn't probably have lost Reke, given we had the clear option of matching and seeking a trade later.
For all we know in a week or two we add Asik and AK, or, we look like it was just Reke for Vasquez and there's little chance we make a big FA signing or pull off a trade bringing back star level talent/prospects. But, I know which situation is more likely. And you're right, we can't control any of this, all we can do is discuss it. And I maintain it was Reke for Vasquez/cap space and we wouldn't probably have lost Reke, given we had the clear option of matching and seeking a trade later.
so a power guard who can score at the rim at will, rebound, pass, and defend "doesn't have enough skills to be a star"? but mclemore, a dead-eye stand still shooter that can't create for himself, does have enough skills to be a star?
i'm seriously going to have to take a nice, long break from kf.com. i don't know when the collective wisdom of this community decided to plummet, but it's becoming too much for even me to bear...
i'm seriously going to have to take a nice, long break from kf.com. i don't know when the collective wisdom of this community decided to plummet, but it's becoming too much for even me to bear...
You can't look at the trade in a vacuum. The FO decided Reke was not in our future plans; so they got back an adequate starting PG who is going to absolutely help the development of McLemore and Cousins. And contrary to popular belief, Reke at that price is not a tradable contract. Either he would have produced for us (in which case, we wouldn't deal him) or he'd stink it up, in which case, no one is giving any sort of value for him.
Curry also had the privilege of playing on a better team. He's playing with Bogut, Lee, Barnes and Thompson. All players are upgrades at their positions compared to ours with the only exception at C. Making the playoffs also makes you look better. A year or 2 ago would anyone really want to pay jarrett jack? But now he helped his team make the playoffs and will get a payday. Having a good team will make you look better, look at all the players that looked good on the lakers and became bums after leaving. Im not saying Curry is Trevor Ariza or Devon George or that Tyreke will be better than Curry. I believe Curry will be an allstar but that doesnt rule out that Tyreke could be one also if he was on a better team.
i also want to note the unfortunate hypocrisy we've thus far witnessed from ranadive and d'allesandro. they claim that they want players who are hungry, who want to be here. they drop a massive offer for andre iguodala, considering his age and potential for decline, then they rescind that offer because iguodala failed to give them an immediate answer, an apparent sign of his lack of commitment to sacramento. all the while tyreke evans is making it clear that he is hungry to help this team win, and that it is his preference to stay in sacramento (at a price much more satisfactory than the very contract that d'allesandro had just offered iggy), yet tyreke gets the boot... for grievis vasquez??
far too many kings fans fail to appreciate what it means to have a young high-level talent committed to remaining with the franchise, committed to growing with it and winning with it. tyreke evans is a young, 23-year-old power guard with an elite rim attack and all-star potential, but he never let his ego get in the way. not once. i want to thank him for that. he was jerked around for four years, played out of position, given inconsistent minutes, and he never demanded a trade. he never upset the locker room. i want to thank him for that. and, despite it all, he wanted to stay here, even after vivek ranadive and pete d'allesandro decided that they were not going to make him a free agent priority. i want to thank him for that. thanks for stayin' classy, 'reke, even when sacramento didn't deserve it...
while i love this team, and while i remain excited by its future and happy that it has any future at all in sacramento, if it continues to lose games, and if tyreke evans goes on to help new orleans re-establish itself as a winning franchise, then the kings deserve exactly what they get. i've maintained that, at the very least, you re-sign evans and trade him on your terms if you don't envision him in your future plans. but grievis vasquez does not represent value-in-return, nor do the couple of 2nd-rounders that were thrown in. it's a pathetic haul, and i'm embarrassed for our front office because of it. can't believe i'd see the day when the kings would out-do the face-palm of a trade that brought jimmer fredette and john salmons here. there was much more at stake this time around, and they blew it...
far too many kings fans fail to appreciate what it means to have a young high-level talent committed to remaining with the franchise, committed to growing with it and winning with it. tyreke evans is a young, 23-year-old power guard with an elite rim attack and all-star potential, but he never let his ego get in the way. not once. i want to thank him for that. he was jerked around for four years, played out of position, given inconsistent minutes, and he never demanded a trade. he never upset the locker room. i want to thank him for that. and, despite it all, he wanted to stay here, even after vivek ranadive and pete d'allesandro decided that they were not going to make him a free agent priority. i want to thank him for that. thanks for stayin' classy, 'reke, even when sacramento didn't deserve it...
while i love this team, and while i remain excited by its future and happy that it has any future at all in sacramento, if it continues to lose games, and if tyreke evans goes on to help new orleans re-establish itself as a winning franchise, then the kings deserve exactly what they get. i've maintained that, at the very least, you re-sign evans and trade him on your terms if you don't envision him in your future plans. but grievis vasquez does not represent value-in-return, nor do the couple of 2nd-rounders that were thrown in. it's a pathetic haul, and i'm embarrassed for our front office because of it. can't believe i'd see the day when the kings would out-do the face-palm of a trade that brought jimmer fredette and john salmons here. there was much more at stake this time around, and they blew it...
I rarely hear that players want to come or stay here. Sad that when we do here it, we let him go. I know that the money was an issue and there's a business side to it but after hearing all these cowtown, middle of nowhere jokes, it's good to hear when Cuz and Tyreke say they want to stay, and sad when we let them go.
I think the most frustrating aspect of this whole thing is that we endured years of misery, got two great players and then managed to blow our cap situation to put us in this conundrum to begin with. Just like the short sightedness that cost us Wallace in an expansion draft when all we needed to do to protect him was have one more player under contract, some how we managed to get maxed out on role players and scrubs when we knew we were going to have two major signings. THIS WAS OBVIOUS 3 YEARS AGO. HELLO?!?
Everyone needs to relax. Tyreke isn't the difference between a championship and not. Everyone is more devastated than when webber got traded. I like tyreke and I wish him the best, but a lot of non-kings fans think this is a good trade. No one besides kings fans hold stock in tyreke. Don't let your diehard love for the kings overvalue tyreke. He got only a single absurd contract. No other team was interested. We didn't lose anyone incredible, albeit we could've gotten more in the trade.
Rondo and Kidd get full credit for being pass-first point guards, as does Magic. But that, pretty much proves my point: in the past 23 yeas, there have been three pass-first point guards who have started on a championship team. That's few enough to count on one hand, with enough fingers left over to tell you what I really think of pass-first point guards. If you increase the range to 24, you get to #4. Increasing the range to 26 years gets you to #5. You've got to extend the range to 30 years to get to #6, and you've got to extend to 40 in order to get to #7.
And here's an interesting bit of trivia, that may give Kings Fans cause for concern: what do those seven point guards have in common? Only two of them played with a dominant big in his prime, and both of them played with the same big.
And here's an interesting bit of trivia, that may give Kings Fans cause for concern: what do those seven point guards have in common? Only two of them played with a dominant big in his prime, and both of them played with the same big.
NO NO NO. this isn't even close to the webber trade. Blown knee and all. There was no consolation. Not one person happy about that at all. It was armegeddon around here for a while. I think half the forum got banned for language. I called GP so many different names VF21 had to fly down to stop me. I'm getting pissed just thinking about it again. ok don't ever EVER bring that trade up in here again nothing compares NOTHING
The common theme to those players are that they either had superstar talent (top 50 all time players) on their team or they see the floor well and have a high BBall IQ. Give me LeBron and Wade and I don't give a crap who our PG is. But Chalmers is a lot better than his ppg shows. On a team without superstars he could easily be a 15/8 guy while shooting 44%+. Been watching him since College and I actually wanted the Kings to purchase a pick in order to grab him.
Oh my god, that's not even remotely true. I've proved it's not true so why do people keep trotting this out as fact? After that $44M deal for Tyreke we would have still had $11 million in cap space after we amnesty Salmons. That is not capped out with no room to maneuver. This is being cheap, just admit it and stop throwing out inaccurate information to defend the indefensible.
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