And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans

[funkykingston]

The Pelicans are a bit like the Kings with some obvious talent that is simply mismatched. Anderson as a stretch four and Davis as an athletic weakside shotblocker are both best paired with a low post scorer but as a tandem they just don't fit. No SF and an abundance of guards that don't mesh. I understand going after Tyreke simply because he's a talent and should pair well with Holiday in the backcourt but it still leaves them a glut of guards and some huge holes with no cap room and no 1st rounder next year to fix them. They can probably move Gordon and his contract but for cap relief rather than real talent.

Then again, there's really no point in analyzing other teams and how Tyreke fits. It doesn't matter what their motivations are or even what Tyreke's interest level is. All that really matters is what they offer him when Evans finally decides to sign an offer sheet. 4 years $50 million may end up being the contract the Kings have to say yea or nay to.

 

[Kingster]

well, remember that iguodala is a converted-SF. he successfully made the transition to the frontcourt from the SG position, whereas evans didn't. so it's also up to iggy to determine if he wants to remain a SF, which i imagine he has no problem with. that said, i find myself agreeing with you. NO may have 'reke in their sights, and tyreke may even be expressing interest in NO, but it's all likely a gambit to raise his price in sacramento...

in fact, whatever rumor has been put out there regarding tyreke's lack of interest in playing SF anywhere for any amount of money is likely just another gambit to ensure that the kings keep him lodged firmly in the backcourt, despite the drafting of ben mclemore. arn tellem is a pro, and if his client wants to stay in sacramento at "x" position and at "x" amount of $$$, then tellem will make that happen, even if it means using another team as leverage. agents aren't so scrupulous that they're afraid to play the game. it's what they do...

Keep in mind that Tyreke's value goes up the more flexible he is in the position(s) he's willing to play. Hypothetically, there could be a a team out there that may pay him more for playing the three than those teams interested in his services at the 1/2. Therefore, a rumor that he is not willing to play the three could end up sacrificing some financial gain, which is not typical for an agent's strategy. Something I'm keeping an eye on in this process is not only who the bidders are and how much they are willing to pay, but exactly for what position(s) are they willing to pay.

 

[Gary]

That makes absolute no sense for Tyreke, at least here he is the clear best ball handling guard. With the Pelicans he would have to play SF to even start. I think Tyreke is staying, he hasn't done enough to think a team would overpay for him, i think he is comfortable here and he at least wants to see how the new regime will use him. I think here he still has a chance of being part of a "big 3" type situation.

Can anyone list teams that could realistically sign Evans to a big contract?

I assume the are looking to move Gordon because he cannot stay on the court much over the last couple years. I assume they would put Evans at SG though..

Here if we had Iggy I probably wouldn't mind much if they had Evans out there as the other ball handler, but I were the coach I would drill it into their heads that the ball is to NOT stop moving unless they can get a shot.

 

[Gary]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt 1m

As @ESPNSteinLine reported, Pelicans will meet with Tyreke Evans late tonight. Told they will have an offer sheet in hand--a big one.

RUH-ROH

It's funny how reading through your post, and in my head it's my voice up until that last part where it changed to Scooby Doo. Caught me off guard there lol.

 

[lwc]

I don't know this source but....

@whatelvirosaid 14 min
The New Orleans Pelicans are reportedly making Tyreke Evans a large offer, starting at $11,378,284.

That is a very random number. It means that either it is exact or completely made up. Hopefully if that is the offer, it is the largest one he gets or they are open to a sign and trade and we can pull Vasquez.

 

[kingwin]

Jonathan Santiago
@itsjonsantiago

Chances Tyreke signs w/ NOLA low if they plan on using him at SF. Source close to Evans says Reke won't "go anywhere for any amount as a 3."

exactly my point...he hates playing SF, he can put up with playing SG, bt perfers to playing PG - and he has a chance to PG play right here hopefully #make it happen Malone

 

[Capt. Factorial]

They can still sign players for the min salary. And my guess if it's NO then it would be a sign and trade.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but that still pretty much adds up to Nobody. They've actually got four minimum (or very-near-minimum) contracts, but they are Lance Thomas, Brian Roberts, Darius Miller and Terrell Harris. They could also sign second round pick Pierre Jackson to give them the ever-so-necessary 5'10.5" fourth PG (counting Roberts, not counting Tyreke). In my eyes, that all still adds up to Nobody.

And it can't be a sign-and-trade if Tyreke actually signs the QO. At that point it's match or don't. We could work out a S&T with New Orleans under threat of Tyreke signing the QO, but that's only if we're not willing to pony up and match.

 

[John Galt]

Can the Kings "counter" or can they only "match"? Is Tyreke allowed to agree to $11M to play PG for Kings if Pelicans have offered $11.4 but want him to play SF?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Jonathan Santiago
@itsjonsantiago

Chances Tyreke signs w/ NOLA low if they plan on using him at SF. Source close to Evans says Reke won't "go anywhere for any amount as a 3."

And bear in mind that the ONLY way Tyreke is NOT playing SF in New Orleans is if the Pelicans manage to find a taker for Eric Gordon and his 3/$45M contract. Considering that Gordon has missed 97 games in the last two years while playing 51, who's buying?

 

[Mojo]

Can the Kings "counter" or can they only "match"? Is Tyreke allowed to agree to $11M to play PG for Kings if Pelicans have offered $11.4 but want him to play SF?

No, Kings would have to match the $11.4. The position doesn't matter if Tyreke signs the offer sheet from New Orleans.

 

[Section 101]

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but that still pretty much adds up to Nobody. They've actually got four minimum (or very-near-minimum) contracts, but they are Lance Thomas, Brian Roberts, Darius Miller and Terrell Harris. They could also sign second round pick Pierre Jackson to give them the ever-so-necessary 5'10.5" fourth PG (counting Roberts, not counting Tyreke). In my eyes, that all still adds up to Nobody.

And it can't be a sign-and-trade if Tyreke actually signs the QO. At that point it's match or don't. We could work out a S&T with New Orleans under threat of Tyreke signing the QO, but that's only if we're not willing to pony up and match.

I know you know, but others reading may not.

Those players are on non guaranteed contracts and would most likely be waived to create extra cap space.

Right about the sign and trade, I've posted it a few times. But the offer sheet can't be signed until the 10th. So that gives teams time to work out a sign and trade if they know they will not match the proposed offer. This happened with Ryan Anderson last year.

 

[Gary]

What ever happened to the select but loud f who said Tyreke will not get much interest.

A few of us knew he would attract a lot of interest. Teams are not stupid, they know a talented and mis used player when they see one! I am expecting him to get a big offer. If Batum could get max offer last year, so can Tyreke and he just might!

If we lose him, it is a huge set back! The position we are in now is very much due to our front office and ownerhsip last year. Tyreke should have been extended when he was eligible. I hope we do not make the same mistake with Cousins...just extend the man!

That's kind of rude. I doubt it was me though.

This whole "interest" thing might just be someone asking a GM if they are interested in a player like Evans and they answer "sure", and that would be the end of it. There are probably a good 3-5 teams though that would really look at possibly offering Evans a contract, not 17. That's just crazy. 17 teams will NOT be negotiating with Evans.

I still stick to my 9.5mil deal though. 4/38 is plenty.

 

[spudfan]

No, Kings would have to match the $11.4. The position doesn't matter if Tyreke signs the offer sheet from New Orleans.

Hmm? If Tyreke doesn't want to play for the Pelicans he doesn't have to. The way John Galt phrased the question it seemed he wanted to know if Tyreke could sign for a lesser amount with the Kings if a higher offer was on the table from another team and he didn't want to play for them.

 

[Gary]

No, Kings would have to match the $11.4. The position doesn't matter if Tyreke signs the offer sheet from New Orleans.

I doubt he would if it means playing SF. That is the worst position for him to play.

 

[The_Jamal]

Can the Kings "counter" or can they only "match"? Is Tyreke allowed to agree to $11M to play PG for Kings if Pelicans have offered $11.4 but want him to play SF?

Tyreke can play for us for $8mil if he wanted to. The only time we would have to "match" an offer is if Tyreke signs with another team. As of now, we don't have any number to beat

 

[Padrino]

Keep in mind that Tyreke's value goes up the more flexible he is in the position(s) he's willing to play. Hypothetically, there could be a a team out there that may pay him more for playing the three than those teams interested in his services at the 1/2. Therefore, a rumor that he is not willing to play the three could end up sacrificing some financial gain, which is not typical for an agent's strategy. Something I'm keeping an eye on in this process is not only who the bidders are and how much they are willing to pay, but exactly for what position(s) are they willing to pay.

well, an agent's strategy usually depends on what he feels is in the best interests of his client in the long term. tyreke evans certainly must feel as if his career and value have already endured considerable damage at the hands of a franchise that shifted him back and forth and back again and forth again between PG, SG, and SF, with the latter position home to his least effective stretch as a player. with respect to 'reke's further development and value in the long term, i hardly consider angling to play as a guard detrimental to the process...

 

[kingwin]

Pelicans target Evans http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=10761

The New Orleans Pelicans are looking to upgrade the small forward position and ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports they met with Tyreke Evans on Sunday night just after the new salary cap year began.

And then we had TNT/NBA.com's David Aldridge follow up with this tweet: "... Told they will have an offer sheet in hand--a big one."

The Pelicans should have around $7.3 million in salary cap after they acquire Jrue Holiday from the Philadelphia 76ers. A first-year salary around that amount isn't too high and there is a good chance the Sacramento Kings will match that amount. Evans may be seeking an annually salary around $10 million.

The Pelicans are showing interest in Chris Copeland and Andre Iguodala.

 

[Spike]

The Pelicans should have around $7.3 million in salary cap after they acquire Jrue Holiday from the Philadelphia 76ers. A first-year salary around that amount isn't too high and there is a good chance the Sacramento Kings will match that amount. Evans may be seeking an annually salary around $10 million.

Done, and done. If those are the numbers then this will have been a raging success.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Done, and done. If those are the numbers then this will have been a raging success.

Those aren't the numbers, though. They'd be waiving the non-guaranteed portion of Robin Lopez's contract to bump another ~$4.5M. (His contract is $5.1, but $500K is guaranteed.)

 

[Gary]

Done, and done. If those are the numbers then this will have been a raging success.

Aldridge "big" number might not be so big afterall. It would be awesome if all we had to do was match 7.xxmil

 

[Gary]

Those aren't the numbers, though. They'd be waiving the non-guaranteed portion of Robin Lopez's contract to bump another ~$4.5M. (His contract is $5.1, but $500K is guaranteed.)

Even if it was 8.5-9.5 I think we would match. The FO might match to 11mil (although personally, I would go 9.5)

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Can the Kings "counter" or can they only "match"? Is Tyreke allowed to agree to $11M to play PG for Kings if Pelicans have offered $11.4 but want him to play SF?

It depends on whether or not he signs the offer sheet NO presents him. If he signs it, the only options for the Kings are match or let him go to the Pelicans. If he doesn't sign the offer sheet, though, he can still negotiate a contract - of any allowable size - with the Kings.

 

[Mojo]

Hmm? If Tyreke doesn't want to play for the Pelicans he doesn't have to. The way John Galt phrased the question it seemed he wanted to know if Tyreke could sign for a lesser amount with the Kings if a higher offer was on the table from another team and he didn't want to play for them.

Well of course. My apologies then, I read it as he was asking if once Tyreke signs that we could negoitate it from there. He could take less money if that's what he wanted if he felt the situation is better here. You have to believe his agent is going to try to get the number as high as possible though.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Those players are on non guaranteed contracts and would most likely be waived to create extra cap space.

They can't really be waived to create cap space, though, because of the "roster charge" on the cap which fills out the roster to 12. I believe two of those players are at the minimum salary anyway, so there's no point, and two of them would save about $100K each if waived.

 

[The_Jamal]

It depends on whether or not he signs the offer sheet NO presents him. If he signs it, the only options for the Kings are match or let him go to the Pelicans. If he doesn't sign the offer sheet, though, he can still negotiate a contract - of any allowable size - with the Kings.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we negotiate a S&T with NO as well if Reke agreed to an offer sheet? So we could still conceivably get assets back for Reke

 

[kingwin]

Those aren't the numbers, though. They'd be waiving the non-guaranteed portion of Robin Lopez's contract to bump another ~$4.5M. (His contract is $5.1, but $500K is guaranteed.)

i guess that would make more sense with the 11 million that was thrown around on twitter

 

[kingwin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we negotiate a S&T with NO as well if Reke agreed to an offer sheet? So we could still conceivably get assets back for Reke

we would have to work that out before he signs an offer sheet, he cant sign an offer sheet then we work out a S&T. usually what happenes is he'll have a offer sheet and brings it to his old team and if they are unwilling to match then teams will work out a S&T, like what happened with ryan anderson last year

 

[kingjatt]

plenty of teams will talk to tyreke, but i doubt anyone really steps up and signs him to something above steph curry money. with the new CBA cap space and flexibility is a very serious matter, heck the mavs broke up a championship team over it, with less stupid spending going on it significantly raises our chances of signing Reke to a more than fair deal.

 

[Spike]

Those aren't the numbers, though. They'd be waiving the non-guaranteed portion of Robin Lopez's contract to bump another ~$4.5M. (His contract is $5.1, but $500K is guaranteed.)

Closer to my limit, but still doable. The question that remains is: will this be the best offer presented, or did the Pelicans just create the bidding floor?

 

[kingwin]

the only team i would be worried about is dallas...they have the cap, he can play PG for them, they seem to be third in the dwight howard race and may get desperate when they lose.