I'm not gonna lie and say I'm all for Wallace, but I don't think he's our guy anyway, so I'm not sweating it. Even if he is, I'll just have to see what he does here. I will say that there are Too many question marks and unknowns - as far as his résumé goes - and that's what I'm admittedly worried about. If Vivek is going for "proven track record", then I'm not sure he's it. Nothing is proven or clear.
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Oh, and all of this poaching from the warriors? Meh. I don't really care how it looks to other teams. That shouldn't be a concern of ours, if those are truly the right guys for the job.
Most people claim they don't even pay attention to what we do either way, so which is it? Now all of a sudden all eyes are on us? funny. If these guys are the guys that Vivek truly believes in after doing his due diligence, then the warriors, and the rest of the league, will just have to deal.
Most people claim they don't even pay attention to what we do either way, so which is it? Now all of a sudden all eyes are on us? funny. If these guys are the guys that Vivek truly believes in after doing his due diligence, then the warriors, and the rest of the league, will just have to deal.
Wallace makes me nervous, although I'd prefer him to Mullin. We could do worse than Wallace but we could also do better. It's tough to decipher though when we don't know how much a role ownership has had in his decisions.
As far as the Gasol swap and giving him credit for that, remember, Marc was a fat *** when that trade went down and not nearly the player he is now. Of course, he had potential and maybe Wallace saw that, but there's no way Wallace would have known Marc would go on to drop 70+lbs, whip his butt into shape and excel to the point he has, since a lot of his improvement is a byproduct of dropping weight. He wouldn't be near the DPOY if he didn't have the lateral quickness and mobility he gained after the weight loss, and I just can't believe he knew when the trade went down Marc would transform his body.
One clear positive is he appears to strongly value defense and understands roles, although finding players to fill roles hasn't always ended well. But I do think he'd value Reke/Cuz and attempt to build around him, which is good as a guy like Mullin might go a different route.
As far as the Gasol swap and giving him credit for that, remember, Marc was a fat *** when that trade went down and not nearly the player he is now. Of course, he had potential and maybe Wallace saw that, but there's no way Wallace would have known Marc would go on to drop 70+lbs, whip his butt into shape and excel to the point he has, since a lot of his improvement is a byproduct of dropping weight. He wouldn't be near the DPOY if he didn't have the lateral quickness and mobility he gained after the weight loss, and I just can't believe he knew when the trade went down Marc would transform his body.
One clear positive is he appears to strongly value defense and understands roles, although finding players to fill roles hasn't always ended well. But I do think he'd value Reke/Cuz and attempt to build around him, which is good as a guy like Mullin might go a different route.
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one thing to note re: chris wallace is that he's only considered the front runner for the kings' vacant GM postion to this point. from what i understand, ranadive intends to continue his search, and won't be pulling the trigger without first accomplishing the due diligence...
now, wallace may still end up with the job at the end of that search, but i wouldn't put too much stock in these rumors as of yet. wallace interviewed very well. he's a front runner. but there's a chance that somebody else blows ranadive away, or that it's all a bit of an undertaking to determine if there are any available suitors worth choosing over the known quantity for ranadive: travis schlenk...
according to reports, vivek doesn't want to give the appearance that he's just poaching from the warriors' infrastructure. of course, at the end of the day, ranadive's not an impulsive guy. he's gonna hire the candidate he thinks is best suited for the job. that may be wallace (and we may disagree). or it may be schlenk (and we may still disagree). or it may be somebody else entirely. shouldn't be more than another week or two of waiting, though, i imagine...
now, wallace may still end up with the job at the end of that search, but i wouldn't put too much stock in these rumors as of yet. wallace interviewed very well. he's a front runner. but there's a chance that somebody else blows ranadive away, or that it's all a bit of an undertaking to determine if there are any available suitors worth choosing over the known quantity for ranadive: travis schlenk...
according to reports, vivek doesn't want to give the appearance that he's just poaching from the warriors' infrastructure. of course, at the end of the day, ranadive's not an impulsive guy. he's gonna hire the candidate he thinks is best suited for the job. that may be wallace (and we may disagree). or it may be schlenk (and we may still disagree). or it may be somebody else entirely. shouldn't be more than another week or two of waiting, though, i imagine...
I am very nervous about Wallace. Personally I am not a fan. His drafting is really questionable and he gets far too much credit for some of the trades he pulled off.
The Gasol for Gasol trade was widely considered as one of the worst trades of all time. Just because Marc Gasol worked out in the end does not make the deal at the time more forgivable. Wallace himself said that he though Marc Gasol would come to the NBA.
Love for Mayo trade was a disaster.
Joe Johnson for trash is another one from his Boston days. Let's not even start with the draft which was diabolical. Sure Thabeet was an ownership pick but the rest of his drafting leaves a lot to be desired.
At least Petrie, when left alone, had a pretty good strike rate with the draft picks. I am really nervous if Wallace is announced as our new GM. We cannot afford to get this wrong now. We need to hit a home run with this because if we don't, the turn around will not happen. All it takes is an incompetent GM to send us back down to the level that has not been experienced even with Maloofs.
The Gasol for Gasol trade was widely considered as one of the worst trades of all time. Just because Marc Gasol worked out in the end does not make the deal at the time more forgivable. Wallace himself said that he though Marc Gasol would come to the NBA.
Love for Mayo trade was a disaster.
Joe Johnson for trash is another one from his Boston days. Let's not even start with the draft which was diabolical. Sure Thabeet was an ownership pick but the rest of his drafting leaves a lot to be desired.
At least Petrie, when left alone, had a pretty good strike rate with the draft picks. I am really nervous if Wallace is announced as our new GM. We cannot afford to get this wrong now. We need to hit a home run with this because if we don't, the turn around will not happen. All it takes is an incompetent GM to send us back down to the level that has not been experienced even with Maloofs.
If you selectively pick facts, you can make a good/bad case for any GM. For instance, remember that guy that grossly overpaid CWebb, lucked into Divac when Matt Geiger told him no, got "lucky" that the guy he was widely panned for drafting (and who all talking heads said was a disaster) turned into a lethal small forward, and brought in Nick Anderson to be our star SG? He was the same guy who left Gerald Wallace unprotected in the expansion draft, traded Jon Barry for Mateen Cleaves, and brought in Keon Clark to protect the rim.
Every single one of these moves was made at the time that he was roundly thought of as the best GM in hoops and built an amazing team. The point is that every GM makes bad moves (and good moves). To isolate certain moves to prove your point (either or good or bad) without focusing on the other set weakens your point.
To argue that he makes bad trades because he lost the Love and Joe Johnson trades, without mentioning that he traded Q Richardson for Zach Randolph, is incomplete and sloppy, and makes you appear to have an agenda.
To argue that he shouldn’t get credit for trading for Marc Gasol because no one knew Gasol was any good is like saying that Petrie shouldn’t get credit for drafting Peja because no one thought he was good, and Petrie got lucky. Truth is, we have no clue why Wallace traded for Gasol. Maybe he got lucky, or maybe he saw something. Your assumption that he got lucky again makes you look like you have an agenda.
I am not even sold on Wallace (I think he is a good, not great candidate), but your level of “analysis” is absurd.
One note: there seems to have been an after the fact move to demonize Keon Clark because he was in fact a pothead, but at the time that was a GREAT move. He was a shotblocking starting PF, and we got him basically for free as part of the best Kings team ever fielded. And he was very good for us that year. Kings fans just have/had a hard time recognizing the good because it came on the wrong side of the ball.
Something that has long bothered me. Turn back his clock 10 years and get the rasta weed out of his hand, and he would be right near the top of my list of guys I would like us to sign this summer to stick next to Cuz.
Something that has long bothered me. Turn back his clock 10 years and get the rasta weed out of his hand, and he would be right near the top of my list of guys I would like us to sign this summer to stick next to Cuz.
I have the feeling that there is going to be a lot more collaboration on personnel decisions than maybe even in years past.. We used to complain when the Maloofs had significant sway in coaching or drafting decisions - and maybe for good reason... I think Vivek is a very hands on, extremely intelligent guy.. He plans to attend every game, and many practices from what I hear.. I don't think significant decisions personnel wise will be made completely free of him by any means.. Mastrov has been hands on in scouting so far (although that might be because we have no full front office yet).. Vivek is high on Malone, and Malone strikes me as a forceful personality who will know the types of guys he wants in his system.. Again, I just feel we might see a model where there is not rigid roles of whose making personnel decisions under the new regime.. and considering the choices we have so far at GM, thats a good thing
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you would think so, but vivek recently spoke to nba.com regarding this issue: "I want to get the right GM. I do expect to have a GM by the Draft, but that's not a promise." and if he has not selected a GM by draft night, "Michael [Malone] will be involved. But I'll be making the call."
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/03/malone-begins-as-head-coach-and-more/?ls=iref:nbahpts
sounds to me like ranadive intends to extend his GM search far and wide, and will not pull the trigger on a hire until he's 100% sure, as he was with coach malone. on the one hand, i think this is a prudent decision, because vivek and malone clearly are of one mind regarding the revitalization of the sacramento kings, and it would not be a good idea to bring in a GM who doesn't share that vision just because the draft and free agency are around the corner...
on the other hand, vivek decided to scoop up mike malone, an unproven head coaching candidate, before another team could make him an offer he couldn't refuse, and before someone had been hired to fill the kings' GM vacancy. if vivek makes additional moves before hiring a GM, as in the kings' draft selection or the potential signing of free agents, GM candidates may be leery of interviewing for an owner who is wielding so much power at the outset of taking over the kings. of course, ranadive could smooth over those fears during the interview process, but it's a tenuous position, regardless, and he's going to have to walk that line carefully while speaking to GM candidates...
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/03/malone-begins-as-head-coach-and-more/?ls=iref:nbahpts
sounds to me like ranadive intends to extend his GM search far and wide, and will not pull the trigger on a hire until he's 100% sure, as he was with coach malone. on the one hand, i think this is a prudent decision, because vivek and malone clearly are of one mind regarding the revitalization of the sacramento kings, and it would not be a good idea to bring in a GM who doesn't share that vision just because the draft and free agency are around the corner...
on the other hand, vivek decided to scoop up mike malone, an unproven head coaching candidate, before another team could make him an offer he couldn't refuse, and before someone had been hired to fill the kings' GM vacancy. if vivek makes additional moves before hiring a GM, as in the kings' draft selection or the potential signing of free agents, GM candidates may be leery of interviewing for an owner who is wielding so much power at the outset of taking over the kings. of course, ranadive could smooth over those fears during the interview process, but it's a tenuous position, regardless, and he's going to have to walk that line carefully while speaking to GM candidates...
In Malone, Vivek saw the coach that fit with his vision for the future of the Kings. He clearly intends to find the GM that also matches. I like that he hasn't made a "rush to judgment" decision, as the person he selects will have a lasting impact on the team for several years to come. He's building a foundation before putting the roof on, so to speak. A bad coach can cost us a season, while a bad GM can cost us a decade.
Right now my feeling is they want to look, what this roster is capable of under Malone, so big personnel movement is not on the cards, except for adding some fit and removing some redundancy. Malone knows what he wants to add to the roster right now, and with Petrie's talent evaluation need for GM prior to the draft is not absolute. That's why Ranadive is taking his time.
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