Cousins is Mentally Weak

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In short Cousins is a punk. He has great hands, and movs well horizontally. He has almost no vertical game and mentally he is weak. He likes to tangle with guys like Mike Dunleavy. You don't see him mess with someone like Dwight Howard. He would disappear against old-school players like Moses Malone, Nate Thurmond, Daryll Dawkins or Wilt. Maybe he is a product of too much success too soon, and being coddled all his life. Where has he been the last 10 games? I am tired of the guy and would love to see him traded. Maybe he gets tossed so he can take the night off.
 
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In short Cousins is a punk. He has great hands, and movs well horizontally. He has almost no vertical game and mentally he is weak. He likes to tangle with guys like Mike Dunleavy. You don't see him mess with someone like Dwight Howard. He would disappear against old-school players like Moses Malone, Nate Thurmond, Daryll Dawkins or Wilt. Maybe he is a product of too much success too soon, and being coddled all his life. Where has he been the last 10 games? I am tired of the guy and would love to see him traded. Maybe he gets tossed so he can take the night off.
:rolleyes:

you people baffle me...

10-12, 24 pts, 10 rebs in 28 dominant minutes last night prior to his ejection. trade him for what? are the kings going to get at least potential-superstar talent in return for demarcus? no. and that's what you'd be trading away in DMC: a potential superstar. yes, he needs to mature. that's a process, and it takes patience to get results in this league, whether you're talking about fixing a broken jumpshot, learning a complex offensive system like the triangle or the princeton, maturing as a man, repairing an image, or, in someone like lebron's case, finally winning a championship (that was nearly a decade's worth of patience). you can't track between each of cousins' incidents and assume things are going to get better right away. it takes time. and you DO NOT trade a potential superstar just because you're too weak in the knees to accept his immaturity as a work-in-progress...

i don't give a **** how "tired" all of the poor, soft, fragile kings fans out there get of demarcus. they did this dance with chris webber. they did it with ron artest. they've even done it with the even-keeled tyreke, claiming he's selfish and a cancer. i'll never understand the fans in this town, rallying around lesser talents, the kevin martins, jimmer fredettes, and isaiah thomas' of the league, just because they're "nice guys," while trying to run superior talents out of town. so many of you duck at the first warning sign, as if a small market franchise shouldn't try to absorb that contact for a real shot at greatness. a player like cousins falls in your lap maybe once in a decade. maybe. it was twelve years between trading for chris webber and drafting demarcus cousins. sacramento is not los angeles. it's not boston. it's not chicago or new york or even miami. so you roll the dice on demarcus because you don't even get the chance to fail at developing a true superstar level talent very often in a place like sac. and if you do fail, if demarcus does implode and the team collapses beneath him, well, at least you gave yourself that shot at greatness, instead of spinning your wheels by trading for inferior talents...

i'm just hoping a new gm steps in under new ownership and recognizes talent when he sees it, and holds onto DMC and 'reke for dear life. those are the kind of longterm assets you don't just discard because you're unsatisfied with the now...
 
#4
March 11, 2013

The Morning After: Teammates say it's up to Cousins to control himself



DeMarcus Cousins left his teammates in a bind, again.

And his teammates are tired of trying to figure out what to do about Cousins. They'd prefer if Cousins would just stop doing things that forces them to answer "What was DeMarcus thinking?"...

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Spike

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#5
:rolleyes:

you people baffle me...

10-12, 24 pts, 10 rebs in 28 dominant minutes last night prior to his ejection. trade him for what? are the kings going to get at least potential-superstar talent in return for demarcus? no. and that's what you'd be trading away in DMC: a potential superstar. yes, he needs to mature. that's a process, and it takes patience to get results in this league, whether you're talking about fixing a broken jumpshot, learning a complex offensive system like the triangle or the princeton, maturing as a man, repairing an image, or, in someone like lebron's case, finally winning a championship (that was nearly a decade's worth of patience). you can't track between each of cousins' incidents and assume things are going to get better right away. it takes time. and you DO NOT trade a potential superstar just because you're too weak in the knees to accept his immaturity as a work-in-progress...

i don't give a **** how "tired" all of the poor, soft, fragile kings fans out there get of demarcus. they did this dance with chris webber. they did it with ron artest. they've even done it with the even-keeled tyreke, claiming he's selfish and a cancer. i'll never understand the fans in this town, rallying around lesser talents, the kevin martins, jimmer fredettes, and isaiah thomas' of the league, just because they're "nice guys," while trying to run superior talents out of town. so many of you duck at the first warning sign, as if a small market franchise shouldn't try to absorb that contact for a real shot at greatness. a player like cousins falls in your lap maybe once in a decade. maybe. it was twelve years between trading for chris webber and drafting demarcus cousins. sacramento is not los angeles. it's not boston. it's not chicago or new york or even miami. so you roll the dice on demarcus because you don't even get the chance to fail at developing a true superstar level talent very often in a place like sac. and if you do fail, if demarcus does implode and the team collapses beneath him, well, at least you gave yourself that shot at greatness, instead of spinning your wheels by trading for inferior talents...

i'm just hoping a new gm steps in under new ownership and recognizes talent when he sees it, and holds onto DMC and 'reke for dear life. those are the kind of longterm assets you don't just discard because you're unsatisfied with the now...
Exactly, and amen.
 

VF21

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#7
PADRINO -

One thing? Every fan has personal tastes and a right to pick their favorite player. I liked and still like Kevin Martin. That certainly doesn't make me a "poor, soft, fragile Kings fan." I understand the point you're trying to make but does the defense of Demarcus Cousins always have to be tied to a demeaning comment about either other players or fans?

This board is more segmented right now than I've ever seen. It's even worse than back in the good old days of the Peja v. Webber wars, the only difference being we don't have a phalanx of Serbian fans flooding the board.

Is DMC a problem right now? Yep. Is he an impossible player who will curse all those around him? Most likely not. Is it discouraging for fans to see the most dominant player on the floor during a particular game ejected because he couldn't control himself? Oh, hell yes. Were there contributing factors that made this latest event so frustrating? Yep, especially when every pair of eyes witnessing the event (apparently not including those of Keith Smart) KNEW that Cousins should be pulled for a couple of minutes to defuse the situation before it went too far.

you DO NOT trade a potential superstar just because you're too weak in the knees to accept his immaturity as a work-in-progress...
Foir a lot of fans, it's not about trading him for the reasons you stated above. For some, it's about trading him before he does to Sacramento what Ron Artest did to Indiana. Is that a fair comparison? Perhaps not, but I think you can understand how some might feel that way.

I'm not objecting so much to your response to the OP, which I think was totally justified. There are, however, other fans who are also upset with DMC's situation that don't fall into the same "hater" category.
 
#8
:rolleyes:

you people baffle me...

10-12, 24 pts, 10 rebs in 28 dominant minutes last night prior to his ejection. trade him for what? are the kings going to get at least potential-superstar talent in return for demarcus? no. and that's what you'd be trading away in DMC: a potential superstar. yes, he needs to mature. that's a process, and it takes patience to get results in this league, whether you're talking about fixing a broken jumpshot, learning a complex offensive system like the triangle or the princeton, maturing as a man, repairing an image, or, in someone like lebron's case, finally winning a championship (that was nearly a decade's worth of patience). you can't track between each of cousins' incidents and assume things are going to get better right away. it takes time. and you DO NOT trade a potential superstar just because you're too weak in the knees to accept his immaturity as a work-in-progress...

i don't give a **** how "tired" all of the poor, soft, fragile kings fans out there get of demarcus. they did this dance with chris webber. they did it with ron artest. they've even done it with the even-keeled tyreke, claiming he's selfish and a cancer. i'll never understand the fans in this town, rallying around lesser talents, the kevin martins, jimmer fredettes, and isaiah thomas' of the league, just because they're "nice guys," while trying to run superior talents out of town. so many of you duck at the first warning sign, as if a small market franchise shouldn't try to absorb that contact for a real shot at greatness. a player like cousins falls in your lap maybe once in a decade. maybe. it was twelve years between trading for chris webber and drafting demarcus cousins. sacramento is not los angeles. it's not boston. it's not chicago or new york or even miami. so you roll the dice on demarcus because you don't even get the chance to fail at developing a true superstar level talent very often in a place like sac. and if you do fail, if demarcus does implode and the team collapses beneath him, well, at least you gave yourself that shot at greatness, instead of spinning your wheels by trading for inferior talents...

i'm just hoping a new gm steps in under new ownership and recognizes talent when he sees it, and holds onto DMC and 'reke for dear life. those are the kind of longterm assets you don't just discard because you're unsatisfied with the now...


Thank you. This isn't a nice guy contest. The goal is to win games. Cuz can be a superstar. Trading him will not net us anything even close to the same value talent wise. Boo-hoo, he's immature! Waaaahhh. Once he figures out that reacting immaturely is never going to work, he's going to be the best center in the NBA.
 
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VF21

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When the comments dissolve into slurs and sarcasm, it's time to just close the thread.

EDIT: Since the comments in question were edited out, I've reopened the thread. One word to the wise however. Keep slurs out of your comments and keep it civil or the thread WILL be closed permanently.
 
#10
It is possible to both know DMC is the one true potential superstar talent on this team and at the same time tire of his attitude. For many, thats why it's so frustrating. Well for me anyway.

I have no idea why that would make one "soft" "fragile" or any other of those patronising terms above.
 

Spike

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#11
It is possible to both know DMC is the one true potential superstar talent on this team and at the same time tire of his attitude. For many, thats why it's so frustrating. Well for me anyway.

I have no idea why that would make one "soft" "fragile" or any other of those patronising terms above.
You can be both, but wanting to get rid of him for peanuts because he isn't a nice guy is, IMO, where the issue lies.

I would love to have a team full of Eagle Scouts, because they're easy to manage, but DMC isn't one. At least, not yet. He's still a kid, and he's working on maturing. Many of us remember Webber as a finished product, but we tend to forget the younger, formative years. He wasn't perfect. Granted, he wasn't getting tossed from games all the time, but you get the point.

Also, for perspective, all of his problems have been ON THE COURT. He hasn't done anything off the court to make me worry. That's where I would find issues and concern. Give him a real coach and a real system, and I bet these ON THE COURT issues will disappear rather quickly.
 
#12
PADRINO -

One thing? Every fan has personal tastes and a right to pick their favorite player. I liked and still like Kevin Martin. That certainly doesn't make me a "poor, soft, fragile Kings fan." I understand the point you're trying to make but does the defense of Demarcus Cousins always have to be tied to a demeaning comment about either other players or fans?

This board is more segmented right now than I've ever seen. It's even worse than back in the good old days of the Peja v. Webber wars, the only difference being we don't have a phalanx of Serbian fans flooding the board.

Is DMC a problem right now? Yep. Is he an impossible player who will curse all those around him? Most likely not. Is it discouraging for fans to see the most dominant player on the floor during a particular game ejected because he couldn't control himself? Oh, hell yes. Were there contributing factors that made this latest event so frustrating? Yep, especially when every pair of eyes witnessing the event (apparently not including those of Keith Smart) KNEW that Cousins should be pulled for a couple of minutes to defuse the situation before it went too far.



Foir a lot of fans, it's not about trading him for the reasons you stated above. For some, it's about trading him before he does to Sacramento what Ron Artest did to Indiana. Is that a fair comparison? Perhaps not, but I think you can understand how some might feel that way.

I'm not objecting so much to your response to the OP, which I think was totally justified. There are, however, other fans who are also upset with DMC's situation that don't fall into the same "hater" category.
i'll simply reply by saying if it doesn't apply to you or others, then no need to take offense to it. i liked kevin martin, as well. however, i did not deify him because of his inoffensive, good guy persona (and i am not accusing you of doing so, either), and i was happy to see him moved to make way for tyreke's emergence, because i consider tyreke to be a superior talent. regardless, you would know as well as anybody that there is a very long and tired tradition among sacramento kings fans of gnashing teeth over the best players who land themselves on this squad, because those players usually come with pock marks. it does not bother me one iota to call out these fans when i see them, because it's been a decade of putting up with a community at war with itself: both desperately trying to keep their team here, while frothing at the mouth over every one of its most talented players' shortcomings. it's a sad display sorely lacking in both historical perspective and general nba acumen. i find such a position wanting...

It is possible to both know DMC is the one true potential superstar talent on this team and at the same time tire of his attitude. For many, thats why it's so frustrating. Well for me anyway.

I have no idea why that would make one "soft" "fragile" or any other of those patronising terms above.
as above, if it doesn't apply to you, then no need to take offense to it. i know who the reasonable individuals are who have no problem taking DMC to task despite his talent, but also want to see his potential realized right here in sacramento, rather than see him driven out of town by a fanbase that may just not know what it has until it's gone. i am not targeting these reasonable individuals with my remarks...
 
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Thank you. This isn't a nice guy contest. The goal is to win games. Cuz can be a superstar. Trading him will not net us anything even close to the same value talent wise. Boo-hoo, he's immature! Waaaahhh. Once he figures out that reacting immaturely is never going to work, he's going to be the best center in the NBA.
well, he may never figure it out. he may never become the center that we all hope he could be someday. these are very realistic possibilities that every kings fan must be aware of. however, i will forever insist that it is much more preferable to roll the dice in spite of the possibility that a player like demarcus may flame out in a blaze of immaturity, because if he actually does figure it out, if he does become the center that we all hope he could be someday, the rest of the nba had better watch out. and when you have a player that the rest of the league must watch out for, you're doing something right. those kinds of impact players are so rare and so difficult to acquire in the contemporary nba. again, they're once in a decade for a small and relatively undesirable market like sacramento. you don't give up on a player like that for pennies on the dollar, which is all the kings would get for him this early in his career...
 
#14
cousins isn't mentally weak, but he is immature. For instance... if he were a fan, he would probably post weak-sauce whiny posts demanding the the trade of players while comparing them to greats of yesteryear.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#15
cousins isn't mentally weak, but he is immature. For instance... if he were a fan, he would probably post weak-sauce whiny posts demanding the the trade of players while comparing them to greats of yesteryear.
heh.

Yeah, pretty much. I have a lot more confidence in DeMarcus growing up and getting some cahones than I do certain breeds of fan.

As an aside, a defining trait of Boogie's has been his unwillingness to back down to ANYONE. Tyring to claim he's a punk who picks his fights is ridiculous.
 
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Glenn

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I love basketball. However, I have seen just about every great play that is possible. Dunking doesn't excite me nor does a rain of threes. I've seen it all. It is the rare athlete that I find interesting with the rest just being a blur of similar and greatly skilled players. Occasionally I get impressed by an athlete like Jordan, Chamberlain, Lebron, etc. For me, DFC falls into this very small group that interests me. I will watch a game because Cousins may do something that a guy that size has never done before. That excites me.

The Kings have been boring for a long time. This is compounded by the fact that coming to the Kings is seen as a sentence to Siberia for people of my generation who understand the reference. CWebb almost didn't come and at that time our franchise had a better reputation than now. We will not get a great FA. I will never see LeBron in a Kings jersey just as there was no chance Jordan would sign with the Kings. I will take my excitement where I can find it.

Cousins is exciting.

As to Cousins' future I must say I am more encouraged now than last year. He is struggling to control himself and with fits and starts has made great strides. This is an immensely difficult task. For any of you that have had a major imperfection in your personality, you know it is not so simple to change. For many it is impossible to change and for those of us who have quirks that we can't change, we work around our faults. Cousins will never lose whatever it is that incites him. It probably will mellow with time just as Artest has not gone into the stands and started a riot again.

What happened yesterday is a two part problem because it could have been avoided. When a 6'8" grown *** man seemingly tries to take another guy's knee out, you might expect the guy whose career was put into jeopardy to react. With Cousins, you absolutely 100% know he will react. The fact that he doesn't/can't control that is on him. The fact that he was left in the game is on Smart. There was an absolute 100% chance to work around what happened and Smart didn't do it. He could have put in Patterson in the timeout that followed the play that ticked off Cousins. There is an argument that it was not Smart's job to control Cousins but I don't buy that. I especially don't buy it after Smart made a big deal out of trying to help Cousins. Remember the long article describing how he would get to know Cousins, he would visit him and just sit around as a friend, etc. Smart seemed absolutely tuned in that Cousins was a problem yet yesterday did not do anything about it. Smart wasn't even man enough to own up to his part in this.

No King talks about that because they don't dare. If there is a bigger issue on this team than Cousins, it is Smart and the people who hired him. Players can't talk about that.

Yesterday's event was the perfect storm of two very flawed men failing. Cousins failed and so did Smart.

If we want to have the best center in the NBA, we must live with this. Cousins is our only chance. For me, Cousins excites me as much as he disappoints me. I am absolutely willing to put up with the flaws in Cousins for the excitement he brings to me when he is on the court. I would have put up with Artest longer also. I don't want to argue this issue of Ron Ron as it was argued when he was here. We have failed to replace him ever since he left. We are now looking for a competent defensive minded SF and can't seem to find one. Let us learn from history.

If Cousins' behavior spread farther than the basketball court, I might call him a cancer. If he was intimidating everyone in the locker room, I would definitely call him a cancer. He team mates are disappointed but I doubt very much that they dislike him. You can dislike the behavior and like the man. I personally like the man I think he is. I suspect very much that his team mates like him as much as they would like any other team mate. They want his behavior to change as they know that of the Kings are to be relevant in the future, it will depend in part, and in a great part, on Demarcus Cousins. Against many teams, he is unstoppable in a way that reminds me a little of Shaq and Wilt. There is nothing a defense can do. That excites me and draws me to turn on the TV every darn game. I don't want to miss the next "I've never seen that before" moment from Cousins.

I also want the Kings to be relevant again. It's been a long time. The Kings have been here since 1985 and have been irrelevant for most of those years. I am rooting for Cousins on many levels and for may reasons.
 
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I love basketball. However, I have seen just about every great play that is possible. Dunking doesn't excite me nor does a rain of threes. I've seen it all. It is the rare athlete that I find interesting with the rest just being a blur of similar and greatly skilled players. Occasionally I get impressed by an athlete like Jordan, Chamberlain, Lebron, etc. For me, DFC falls into this very small group that interests me. I will watch a game because Cousins may do something that a guy that size has never done before. That excites me.

The Kings have been boring for a long time. This is compounded by the fact that coming to the Kings is seen as a sentence to Siberia for people of my generation who understand the reference. CWebb almost didn't come and at that time our franchise had a better reputation than now. We will not get a great FA. I will never see LeBron in a Kings jersey just as there was no chance Jordan would sign with the Kings. I will take my excitement where I can find it.

Cousins is exciting.

As to Cousins' future I must say I am more encouraged now than last year. He is struggling to control himself and with fits and starts has made great strides. This is an immensely difficult task. For any of you that have had a major imperfection in your personality, you know it is not so simple to change. For many it is impossible to change and for those of us who have quirks that we can't change, we work around our faults. Cousins will never lose whatever it is that incites him. It probably will mellow with time just as Artest has not gone into the stands and started a riot again.

What happened yesterday is a two part problem because it could have been avoided. When a 6'8" grown *** man seemingly tries to take another guy's knee out, you might expect the guy whose career was put into jeopardy to react. With Cousins, you absolutely 100% know he will react. The fact that he doesn't/can't control that is on him. The fact that he was left in the game is on Smart. There was an absolute 100% chance to work around what happened and Smart didn't do it. He could have put in Patterson in the timeout that followed the play that ticked off Cousins. There is an argument that it was not Smart's job to control Cousins but I don't buy that. I especially don't buy it after Smart made a big deal out of trying to help Cousins. Remember the long article describing how he would get to know Cousins, he would visit him and just sit around as a friend, etc. Smart seemed absolutely tuned in that Cousins was a problem yet yesterday did not do anything about it. Smart wasn't even man enough to own up to his part in this.

No King talks about that because they don't dare. If there is a bigger issue on this team than Cousins, it is Smart and the people who hired him. Players can't talk about that.

Yesterday's event was the perfect storm of two very flawed men failing. Cousins failed and so did Smart.

If we want to have the best center in the NBA, we must live with this. Cousins is our only chance. For me, Cousins excites me as much as he disappoints me. I am absolutely willing to put up with the flaws in Cousins for the excitement he brings to me when he is on the court. I would have put up with Artest longer also. I don't want to argue this issue of Ron Ron as it was argued when he was here. We have failed to replace him ever since he left. We are now looking for a competent defensive minded SF and can't seem to find one. Let us learn from history.

If Cousins' behavior spread farther than the basketball court, I might call him a cancer. If he was intimidating everyone in the locker room, I would definitely call him a cancer. He team mates are disappointed but I doubt very much that they dislike him. You can dislike the behavior and like the man. I personally like the man I think he is. I suspect very much that his team mates like him as much as they would like any other team mate. They want his behavior to change as they know that of the Kings are to be relevant in the future, it will depend in part, and in a great part, on Demarcus Cousins. Against many teams, he is unstoppable in a way that reminds me a little of Shaq and Wilt. There is nothing a defense can do. That excites me and draws me to turn on the TV every darn game. I don't want to miss the next "I've never seen that before" moment from Cousins.

I also want the Kings to be relevant again. It's been a long time. The Kings have been here since 1985 and have been irrelevant for most of those years. I am rooting for Cousins on many levels and for may reasons.
You left the part out about the failure of the refs to call a flagrant on Dunleavy for going at the knees. Just because Cuz doesn't have the ball doesn't make it any less flagrant. That would be a personal foul in the NFL.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#18
You left the part out about the failure of the refs to call a flagrant on Dunleavy for going at the knees. Just because Cuz doesn't have the ball doesn't make it any less flagrant. That would be a personal foul in the NFL.
I thought about the NFL reference. I also think it is naive to think that this was not a deliberate act by Dunleavy but that's all a separate discussion. It particularly aggravated me that the announcers defended Dunleavy. They were absolutely sure that he didn't do this deliberately. Of course he did it deliberately. Did you notice that Cousins knee was bent by the rolling block? That's why I said that it was a move that put Cousins' career in jeopardy.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#19
First, I can understand Cuz getting angry. To get hit in the side of the knee is dangerous. Just ask any NFL lineman. The knee wasn't designed to bend that way. His season could have easily ended right there. However, once past the initial anger, he needed to calm down and restrain himself. But let me tell you who I blame the most. Smart!!! Just about any coach in the NBA will sit a player down after a confrontation like that and let him cool for a while. Maybe even hold him out till Dunlevey goes to the bench, but at least hold him out for five minutes or so. Smart said after the game, that he had no way of knowing what Cousins would do. Thats precisely the point. You don't put him right back in the game and find out. Were talking about Cousins here.

To be honest, I was stunned when I saw Cousins coming right back into the game. I thought, what the hell are you thinking! But it is what it is, and we'll have to deal with it. The idea of trading Cousins, and calling him a punk is probably the pot calling the kettle black. I had decided that I wasn't even going to read comments today, but after going to the dentist and having 4 teeth pulled, I was in such a good mood, I decided to participate.
 
#20
I had decided that I wasn't even going to read comments today, but after going to the dentist and having 4 teeth pulled, I was in such a good mood, I decided to participate.
I don't have a good excuse for it, but oh well.

Whether DMC has "legitimate" reasons to react is not what matters anymore. He's dug himself into a hole with the refs, justified or unjustified. That part is over with. His continuation to argue every call with a scowl, throw his hands up after every bit of contact, not run back on d, and be demonstrative on basically every call is what is dooming him. He will never get the benefit of the doubt until he puts in the time to "play the game." And he seems very adamant that he will not play the game, but will continue to "keep it real." But keeping it real goes wrong, and will most likely follow him his entire career, just as it follows Artest. Every elbow is a spark that may light the Artest fuse. DMC is getting into that territory.

I have no doubt that as the biggest guy on the court, he is going to get fouled more. Ask Dwight. Every foul under the hoop on Dwight is a flagrant because you cant go for the ball. It will be an And1. You must chop his forearms. And that, by the letter of the law, is a flagrant. But Dwight doesn't have the rep. Because he smiles. Tim Duncan, notorious whiner, does not have the "danger" vibe because he does his goofy huge eyes thing, then jokes with refs. DMC just pouts and looks like he's mentally writing people down on a kill list.

Is it justified? No, but this isn't the elementary school sandbox. Shut your mouth, keep your hands down, run back on d, and smile every now and then. Look at some game footage afterwords, remember when you actually did foul, and let the refs know that you make mistakes. Learn their names. Ask what they're looking at on that foul. Ask what you could have done to contest but not foul. It may take a couple years to undo the damage. But until he does, he will not be a star. A star plays the game, and works every facet of the game to their advantage. DMC is working very hard to turn refs against him. He's playing 5 on 8 every time he steps out on the court and it's mostly his own fault.

I love his fire, but he's gotta figure out what battle he wants to play in his career.
 
#22
This is the only issue that I enjoy hearing Grant speak on and agree with - he's a punk. Just suprised that there are still Kings fans that support his behavior. The only question is, is this who he permanently is or is he redeemable at all
 

HndsmCelt

Hall of Famer
#23
I will be passing out cheese to go with all the WHINE and dictionaries for those who are confused about the meaning of the words "punk" and "weak". DMC will not take crap off of anybody and if you are going to dish it he will respond. If this was 1975 the discussion here would be about why he did not just clock Dunlevy straight up. I get it we live in the time of bicycle helmets touch fouls, but give me break! The guy puts up a double double in the FIRST half against a larger front line hacking away at him and when he takes exception to guy INTENTIONALLY undercutting him and putting a hit on the side of his knee some cream puff fans want to call HIM weak minded and and a PUNK? If the refs had called the flagrant or if the moron in the head coaches chair had kept Cousins knee and temper on ice things would have gone WAY different. But some how the big guy left on his own after what could have been a serious injury from a chepie goes old school and sends a messages he was sure Dunlevy and the Bucks bench could hear you people want to blame HIM? I'm sorry the only disappointment I have is that Demarcus did not shout "Can YOU HEAR ME NOW?"

For those of you who still think the problem last night was Demarcus I will just ask you to think back to when that weak minded punk Doug Cristie lost it and got kicked out of a game for going all thug on Rick Fox. All Rick did was push him in the face. Dunlevy could have wiped out DMCs knee, and the refs were about to toss Fox.
 
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Glenn

Hall of Famer
#24
This is the only issue that I enjoy hearing Grant speak on and agree with - he's a punk. Just suprised that there are still Kings fans that support his behavior. The only question is, is this who he permanently is or is he redeemable at all
Name one person who supports his behavior. These kinds of comments are bull****.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#25
I will be passing out cheese to go with all the WHINE and dictionaries for those who are confused about the meaning of the words "punk" and "weak". DMC will not take crap off of anybody and if you are going to dish it he will respond. If this was 1975 the discussion here would be about why he did not just clock Dunlevy straight up. I get it we live in the time of bicycle helmets touch fouls, but give me break! The guy puts up a double double in the FIRST half against a larger front line hacking away at him and when he takes exception to guy INTENTIONALLY undercutting him and putting a hit on the side of his knee some cream puff fans want to call HIM weak minded and and a PUNK? If the refs had called the flagrant or if the moron in the head coaches chair had kept Cousins knee and temper on ice things would have gone WAY different. But some how the big guy left on his own after what could have been a serious injury from a chepie goes old school and sends a messages he was sure Dunlevy and the Bucks bench could hear you people want to blame HIM? I'm sorry the only disappointment I have is that Demarcus did not shout "Can YOU HEAR ME NOW?"
Tell me how you really feel. :)
 
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What frustrates me is that Cousins has yet to realize how damn important he is to our wins and he still does stupid stuff like this. His 28 minutes were flat out dominant, and we needed him on the floor to pull this one out. Our odds for winning would have greatly improved with the way he was playing had he gotten 36+ minutes

Yes, Smart should have taken him out. Yes, Dunleavy is an a**hole for going after his knees. Still, Cousins has got to learn that the Refs are looking at anything he does under a microscope and other players will try and take advantage of his temper and get a rise out of him. Instead of talking about a potential career game for him last night where he leads us to a win, the main headline again is his bad incident. That has got to change and it starts with him
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#29
This is the only issue that I enjoy hearing Grant speak on and agree with - he's a punk. Just suprised that there are still Kings fans that support his behavior. The only question is, is this who he permanently is or is he redeemable at all
Try reading what is written. There is a distinct difference between supporting his bahavior, and supporting him. None of us that are supporting him are supporting his bahavior. It irritates me as much as anyone. If I were in charge of the team, his season would be over for the rest of the year. Let him go home and really think about the ramifications of his behavior. If the penality is great enough, you get someone's attention. So far, the Kings have treated him with kid gloves. They suggested he see a anger management therapist, and he refused. I don't know what legal recourse the Kings have, but if they do, then I'd tell him he see's the therapist or his season is over. Maybe, legally you can't send him home, but you can certainly sit his butt on the bench.

Now I realize I'm playing with fire here. You tick him off too much and when contract time comes, he holds out to become a unrestricted freeagent. But my point is, that just because I support him as a person and a player, that doesn't mean I support what he does. I think some of you people have never raised children. The way some of you talk, you'd send all your children to an orphanage.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#30
What frustrates me is that Cousins has yet to realize how damn important he is to our wins and he still does stupid stuff like this. His 28 minutes were flat out dominant, and we needed him on the floor to pull this one out. Our odds for winning would have greatly improved with the way he was playing had he gotten 36+ minutes

Yes, Smart should have taken him out. Yes, Dunleavy is an a**hole for going after his knees. Still, Cousins has got to learn that the Refs are looking at anything he does under a microscope and other players will try and take advantage of his temper and get a rise out of him. Instead of talking about a potential career game for him last night where he leads us to a win, the main headline again is his bad incident. That has got to change and it starts with him
I suspect there is no disagreement on any of that from any quarter.
 
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