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andjel

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3 inch taller slimmer version of IT.... the only way it makes sense is if there is a deal for IT or MT to be gone.

If that is not the case, there is a serious minute issue where IT-MT-Brooks have to have on average about 20 min (assuming Reke 34-35 min and no small balling with all the height we got).
 
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Arkitect

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rainmaker said:
If I see any IT/Brooks combo at any time, I might just break my remote. This also negates just about any opportunity for Reke to play PG when IT is resting, which is fine, but means we most likely won't see a Reke/MT combo, unless we go with IT or Brooks, MT at the 2 and Reke at SF on occasion, which would suck, which means to me with little possible opportunities for a Reke/MT combo, that MT has now gone from starter to 20-25 mins per night tops, which would also mean imo he won't be happy, is not worth 8M in that role and we need another trade.
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The two signings today only make sense if we trade Thornton and/or IT for defensive players. Otherwise we are going to go into next season with possibly the most unbalanced roster in the history of the league. We will not have minutes for any defense oriented guys even if we wanted to play them.
 
rainmaker

rainmaker

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I'm going to have nightmares picturing how Smart will attempt to make this work. Smart's biggest downfall is game management, and this won't help, at all.

We really need to flip MT for a big man defender.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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kupman said:
I like this move. It gives us 2 true PGs in Brooks and IT. This means that MT and Reke can play where they belong - at the #2. No more of this playing out of position stuff. Reke is the starting 2 and MT is his back-up. It also means that Jimmer can play the bench until he proves he can play somewhere on the court.
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Those two players are both 34+ min players in the NBA. Doesn't work...unless one of them gets to play SF again! Woot!

AND Aaron Brooks is yet ANOTHER shot hungry player (REALLY shot hungry player) on this roster. Its insanity. I expect a teamwide brawl to break out by the secoind home game. Make the Malice at the Palace look like nothing.

Positives: he's an NBA level player. He has much needed range. Very quick.
Negatives: he's a chucker, can't play defense, and won't pass anybody else the ball. Too small for him and IT to share the same court, so has to be prue platoon.

This is us adding backcourt "creativity" eh? As in creative ways for our PG to find room to chuck more junk at the rim wihtout passing it? Suppose Jimmer just wasn't unloading the ball fast enough at the rim.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

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The problem is that if we trade Thornton, we are trading literally the best move we made all offseason, which would be Thornton as the sixth man. I mean, if he agrees to that you are talking about a massive weapon we just acquired.

Seriously. Harden, Ginobili, and Thornton. Those would be the 3 best bench players in the league, give or take a few other solid names. The starting lineup next season should be on par, if not slightly better than last years starting lineup. But the bench unit .. the bench unit goes from one of the worst in the league to one of the best with the additions of Thornton and Robinson (and I suppose Brooks).
 
HereWeBoogie

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Marcus Thornton is NOT a bench player. he needs to remain the starting 2 and im betting he will. i think either Smart is gonna stick with Tyreke at the starting 3, or they have a trade lined up getting rid of either Tyreke or Marcus
 
Hallama

Hallama

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Bricklayer said:
AND Aaron Brooks is yet ANOTHER shot hungry player (REALLY shot hungry player) on this roster. Its insanity.
enough at the rim.
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Petrie's plan is to keep adding offensive rebounders - Cousins, James Johnson, JT, Robinson - to each new chucker he adds to the lineup; Brooks, MT, Evans, Jimmer. Makes sense...ah, who am I trying to kid.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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ESP47 said:
WTF is this team doing? We aren't the fk'n Warriors!
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rem:
1) owners are low grade morons
2) smallball is pretty! and shiny!
3) we hire Nellie's last and only employed disciple (I don't count Avery since he has rejected all of Nellie's teachings)
4 Voila!
 
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marsh

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Reke 13 Havoc said:
Marcus Thornton is NOT a bench player. he needs to remain the starting 2 and im betting he will. i think either Smart is gonna stick with Tyreke at the starting 3, or they have a trade lined up getting rid of either Tyreke or Marcus
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Damn, you really like Thornton huh? lol. He isnt really as good as you make him seem. I'll give you that I think he'd be a VERY good 6th man-thats the perfect spot for him, but to choose him over Reke would be silly! (But still a possibility with our coach/managment lol)
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

MassachusettsKingsFan

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By the way, if Brooks is making the kind of money we have left in our cap room (2.5 million) then he is being paid like a backup PG who will only get 10-20 minutes on any given night anyway. It's not like we are dumping a huge chunk of change on him. He's a backup guard on a team (the Kings) that currently doesn't have one.

96 guard minutes for IT / Evans / Thornton with brooks getting whats left over. It will be different game to game. Evans may play some small ball SF depending on the matchup. MT / Evans / IT should all get 30 minutesish. Injuries and foul trouble happen as well. Evans and Thornton have both missed time due to injuries in their short careers, too..
 
HereWeBoogie

HereWeBoogie

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marsh said:
Damn, you really like Thornton huh? lol. He isnt really as good as you make him seem. I'll give you that I think he'd be a VERY good 6th man-thats the perfect spot for him, but to choose him over Reke would be silly! (But still a possibility with our coach/managment lol)
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ya hes the best player on the team besides Cousins. not to mention he is clutch at the end of games
 
Mass

Mass

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I don' t like this move at all. We just got another player that we don't need. I just want to wait anyways, because now I'm sure there must be a trade coming up. Will it be good or bad? I don't know, but something is going to happen. We can't go into the season with Brooks - IT - Reke - Thornton. It's not going to work, not enough minutes and shots for everybody.
 
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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
By the way, if Brooks is making the kind of money we have left in our cap room (2.5 million) then he is being paid like a backup PG who will only get 10-20 minutes on any given night anyway. It's not like we are dumping a huge chunk of change on him. He's a backup guard on a team (the Kings) that currently doesn't have one.

96 guard minutes for IT / Evans / Thornton with brooks getting whats left over. It will be different on any given night. Evans may play some small ball SF depending on the matchup. MT / Evans / IT should all get 30 minutesish. Injuries and foul trouble happen as well. Evans and Thornton have both missed time due to injuries in their short careers, too..
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It's not about money, it's about the fact that we already have a midget in PG IT who does damn near everything either equal or better than Brooks. Why have two players with similar skill sets back eachother up unless you have Rondo and Rondo 2 coming off the bench? If anything we needed a PG with some size who could guard and shoot 3's. Teams need balance. Not a bunch of guys who run all over the place and jack up shots without playing any defense. We're going to lose 110-120 all year long with this stupid roster Petrie put together.
 
KingsFanSince85

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The positives are, Brooks managed 19.6 ppg and 5.3 apg (shooting nearly 40% from 3pt land) while playing in all 82 games a few seasons back.

However, as Brick pointed out, he's a shoot first guard ... an undersized one at that. I don't recall his defense being anything to speak about either.

I guess it's our front office's goal to acquire as many ball-dominant, volume shooters as is humanly possible. Job well done thus far.
 
Mass

Mass

Starter
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3,3 million average for 2 years, second year player option. Not a bad contract for the player he is, but like I said, we don't need him right now with this roster.
 
funkykingston

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GoodOldDouwe said:
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So much for the Maloof naysayers saying they don't have any money...this move puts them at the cap! Two good moves today!!!
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I can't be the only one that would have greatly preferred that the Kings resign Terrance Williams rather than sign Brooks. And given that they are now at the cap with a full roster I have to believe that shuts the door on bringing TWill back unless some spots are opened up via a trade, which seems very unlikely at this point.

Petrie identified interior defense and rim protection as team needs. None of the offseason moves (Robinson, Johnson, Brooks) fixes either of those. Brooks shot 40% from distance three seasons ago and is a career 36% shooter but he's hardly a guy that stretches the defense since he always has the ball in his hands rather than spotting up.

How does this roster work exactly?

PG: Brooks/Thomas/Fredette
SG: Evans/Thornton/Fredette/Garcia
SF: Salmons/Johnson/Outlaw/Garcia/Honeycutt (?)/ Robinson(?)
PF: Thompson/Robinson/Hayes
C: Cousins/Hayes/Whiteside (assuming he makes the team)

Possibly six guys in competition for the starting SF spot and I have NO idea who I'd even consider the frontrunner. No real backup center, offensive minded PGs, Thornton likely pushed to a sixth man role even though he's one of the best players on the team, little to no improvement on defense and a draft pick who looks like a tweener early on.

This team is loaded with flotsam and jetsam that doesn't compliment the one absolute true building block that it has in DeMarcus Cousins.

If you think Tyreke is that potential second star then you build around that duo. And if you don't then you offer him up (and any other players of value) to get that second star to put around DMC. Then you find roleplayers that compliment them well.

It isn't just that this team keeps adding mediocre pieces. Even if I don't like it I can understand it when it is clear that ownership can't actually play with the big boys of the league. Fine. But at least bring in mediocre pieces that fill a need and compliment that talent that the team does have.

If Petrie is done making moves (and given his history I'm guessing he is) then I am angry at how this offseason has unfolded.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

MassachusettsKingsFan

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ESP47 said:
It's not about money, it's about the fact that we already have a midget in PG IT who does damn near everything either equal or better than Brooks. Why have two players with similar skill sets back eachother up unless you have Rondo and Rondo 2 coming off the bench? If anything we needed a PG with some size who could guard and shoot 3's. Teams need balance. Not a bunch of guys who run all over the place and jack up shots without playing any defense. We're going to lose 110-120 all year long with this stupid roster Petrie put together.
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Brooks and Thomas are similar. They also will hopefully never play together. At the very least, having similar PG's run both the bench and starting units will make some of our other pieces interchangeable.... It can make every player familiar with playing along side that type of floor leader.

I'm searching for positives here. I generally agree with you, but I think Brooks TALENT is worth the money spent on him, even if I have always disliked him as a player.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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#56
Wow. I feel like I got kicked in the stomach. Brilliant work as always Geoff. So we're going to risk making IT, Evans, and Thornton miserable now... over Aaron Brooks? This is our roster now right?

Brooks/IT/Jimmer
Evans/Thornton/Garcia
Johnson/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson
Cousins/Hayes/Whiteside

Unbelievable. I pray there are trades coming because that depth chart looks like a nightmare. Keith Smart can't play Tyreke at the PG position with that roster, no way it happens which means Thornton is a goner or Tyreke is our, gulp, starting SF again. Somebody wake me up and tell me it's not true.
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

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#57
So...as of right now we have a lineup of:

Brooks
Evans
Salmons...JJ??
JT
Cousins

Brooks needs to start to produce, and I've wanted Marcus to come off the bench in a 'Microwave' role for awhile now. We're still deficient at SF...still a mystery. PF/C are solid. So...Mr. Petrie, who's playing SF for us this season??...We have a gaggle of questionmarks in our rotation this year, and SF is STILL the biggest one.
 
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