Houston offers picks + Lowry for Tyreke and #5
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Well if it makes you feel any better my wife said I should start looking for another team to follow if they make that sort of move.
Unfortunately this is sort of thing is what can happen when the FO/Coaching staff does things to alienate one of their cornerstone players.
We think we can get Lowry on the cheap due to his supposed issues with the Rocket's Coaching staff, and other people might think they can get Tyreke on the cheap due to the way we handled him for the latter half of last season.
It is good to hear that this deal isn't truly on the table though.
Unfortunately this is sort of thing is what can happen when the FO/Coaching staff does things to alienate one of their cornerstone players.
We think we can get Lowry on the cheap due to his supposed issues with the Rocket's Coaching staff, and other people might think they can get Tyreke on the cheap due to the way we handled him for the latter half of last season.
It is good to hear that this deal isn't truly on the table though.
Well, he's right to not want to play SF anymore. For now, that's on Smart, but if it continues next year it's on the FO for not forcing Smart to make the change.
As far as the extension/money goes - it's fair to say that Tyreke hasn't really earned that extension yet, certainly not the max extension that he wants. If he earns that contract next year, then hopefully our new ownership (knock wood) will give it to him. At worst he'll get the QO, take it, and be unrestricted in two years. It just doesn't need to be dealt with immediately. We know the talent is there, we can give him some time (at a guard slot) to put it together and then show him the money.
As far as the extension/money goes - it's fair to say that Tyreke hasn't really earned that extension yet, certainly not the max extension that he wants. If he earns that contract next year, then hopefully our new ownership (knock wood) will give it to him. At worst he'll get the QO, take it, and be unrestricted in two years. It just doesn't need to be dealt with immediately. We know the talent is there, we can give him some time (at a guard slot) to put it together and then show him the money.
I agree with reke not wanting to play SF, its too far from his natural position of PG. at SG he can still get his chances to handle the ball and make plays but his game is not and has never been a cutter/spot up shooter and thats primarily what a SF does.
You cant blame him for trying to put himself in the best position to earn a new deal, we just seem hell bent on not having to pay him that we keep putting him in bad spots or surrounding him with pieces that dont fit his style. The handling of him has been embarassing at best, I have a feeling he's going to get traded at some point, either this summer or next. what a waste of great talent.
You cant blame him for trying to put himself in the best position to earn a new deal, we just seem hell bent on not having to pay him that we keep putting him in bad spots or surrounding him with pieces that dont fit his style. The handling of him has been embarassing at best, I have a feeling he's going to get traded at some point, either this summer or next. what a waste of great talent.
This is the Houston-Kings deal getting press/rumor mill kind of treatment in a situation where the Kings would probably rather trade for a vet than get a "first five" in the draft. I don't think the Kings take this but the situation is ripe for an alternate Houston-Kings deal. Or a deal with another team for a veteran for our 5th.
I think our chances of trading our pick for a vet are 100% IF, IF the right deal rihgs the Kings' bell. There's probably a 25% chance that deal will pop up. Thees percentages are from long years of experience and a wild *** guess. Thank god draft day is in two days.
I think our chances of trading our pick for a vet are 100% IF, IF the right deal rihgs the Kings' bell. There's probably a 25% chance that deal will pop up. Thees percentages are from long years of experience and a wild *** guess. Thank god draft day is in two days.
National writers are, for the most part, followers not leaders. They have no interest in seeing the Kings succeed but would jump fast on the bandwagon once we make the playoffs. OKC being the latest example. Until the Kings get better and have consistent all stars you can expect all trades suggested involving the Kings will be horrible for us.
Indeed. I recently came across a website which highlighted how well certain lineups played together. One, it's kind of crazy how many combinations are used during the season. We played just a smidge over 3000 minutes this year, and our main starting lineup of IT-Thornton-Reke-JT-Cousins was only on the floor together for 297 minutes. And its just not us either, just about every starting lineup is the same way. Anyway....
Our 2 most effective lineups that played any sort of significant minutes together were the follow:
--IT-MT-Salmons-JT-Cousins 129 ORTG 107 DRTG 82 minutes on the floor together
--IT-Reke-Outlaw-Jt-Cousins 123 ORTG 106 DRTG 66 minutes on the floor together
In contrast, our 2 most used lineups on the year were largely ineffective for different reasons
--IT-MT-Reke-JT-Cousins 112 ORTG 117 DRTG 297 minutes on the floor together
--Reke-MT-Salmons-JT-Cousins 99 ORTG 107 DRTG 178 minutes on the floor together
Honestly, our team is a pretty easy fix, looking at these numbers. We became a competitive team when 2 of the following happened:
1. A real SF was in the game
2. Reke and Thornton were not playing together at the PG/SG position. And it's not just that lineup either. Every lineup where those 2 were in the game with Cousins, our offense took a ridiculous dive into the ground
We'll be fine next season if those 2 things happen. Adding a MKG and perhaps a Marcus Camby off the bench will do wonders for this team. I also think having T-will for a full year will make a significant impact on our defense and overall offensive cohesion
Our 2 most effective lineups that played any sort of significant minutes together were the follow:
--IT-MT-Salmons-JT-Cousins 129 ORTG 107 DRTG 82 minutes on the floor together
--IT-Reke-Outlaw-Jt-Cousins 123 ORTG 106 DRTG 66 minutes on the floor together
In contrast, our 2 most used lineups on the year were largely ineffective for different reasons
--IT-MT-Reke-JT-Cousins 112 ORTG 117 DRTG 297 minutes on the floor together
--Reke-MT-Salmons-JT-Cousins 99 ORTG 107 DRTG 178 minutes on the floor together
Honestly, our team is a pretty easy fix, looking at these numbers. We became a competitive team when 2 of the following happened:
1. A real SF was in the game
2. Reke and Thornton were not playing together at the PG/SG position. And it's not just that lineup either. Every lineup where those 2 were in the game with Cousins, our offense took a ridiculous dive into the ground
We'll be fine next season if those 2 things happen. Adding a MKG and perhaps a Marcus Camby off the bench will do wonders for this team. I also think having T-will for a full year will make a significant impact on our defense and overall offensive cohesion
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Basically they are telling us our #5 is only worth their #14 + #16. And Tyreke is only equal to Lowry.
That's insulting.
They must think we will keep making trades with them just because there is a long standing relationship between the 2 FOs. I would make a counter offer to them of Donte Greene for their #14 + #16 and then do a sign and trade with Outlaw for Lowry. See how they feel about that offer.
That's insulting.
They must think we will keep making trades with them just because there is a long standing relationship between the 2 FOs. I would make a counter offer to them of Donte Greene for their #14 + #16 and then do a sign and trade with Outlaw for Lowry. See how they feel about that offer.
I was going to mention this. Petrie has taken a personal interest in Tyreke, and contrary to what many might think, Petrie truely identifies with players. Thats one of the reasons he's so tightlipped. He doesn't like to bandy players names around in the media about a deal that might not happen. For those of you not familar with Petrie the player, he was one of the best shooting guards in the NBA at one time. So he knows a little about playing that position. He also know a little about shooting the ball.
I can't see Petrie taking a personal interest in Tyreke, and then shipping him off in a trade this stupid. What we should know for sure, is that the rumor didn't come from the Kings. You leak under Petrie, and your fired! And as much as I might personally like leaks, I can respect Petrie's point of view on the subject. Now the national media is a different story. This is their time of year. Anything and everything is going to be blown out of proportion and distorted. From afar, its fun, but when its your team, it can be stressful.
I have no doubt that Houston is doing everything it can to pull something big out of the hat. Right now, the Kings are nothing more than colateral damage. Remember it takes two to tango, and I sincerely believe that at the moment, Houston is dancing alone.
I can't see Petrie taking a personal interest in Tyreke, and then shipping him off in a trade this stupid. What we should know for sure, is that the rumor didn't come from the Kings. You leak under Petrie, and your fired! And as much as I might personally like leaks, I can respect Petrie's point of view on the subject. Now the national media is a different story. This is their time of year. Anything and everything is going to be blown out of proportion and distorted. From afar, its fun, but when its your team, it can be stressful.
I have no doubt that Houston is doing everything it can to pull something big out of the hat. Right now, the Kings are nothing more than colateral damage. Remember it takes two to tango, and I sincerely believe that at the moment, Houston is dancing alone.
I can see why the Rockets might offer this. It's a poopy version of the Horford-Marvin Williams/Noah-Deng deals. We'd trade Evans and the 5th for Lowry and use the picks to get an SF and big like Harkless and Moultrie, but, like y'all are saying, it sucks.
Troll! This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen! You should be banned!!!!!!!! I'm in love with Andrei Kirilenko!!!!! (btw, Travis Outlaw is a PF, not SF...)
Troll! This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen! You should be banned!!!!!!!! I'm in love with Andrei Kirilenko!!!!! (btw, Travis Outlaw is a PF, not SF...)
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I'm assuming you either got that info form Synergy.com or 82 games. Both give basicly the same results. And I happen to agree with those results. I don't think Tyreke and Thornton, on the floor together is the best pairing. I think Tyreke would simply thrive at the SG position, and I've thought so for a long time. Tyreke as player lives in the moment more than just about anyone else on the team. Thats a good thing, and at times its a bad thing. The key for a coach is utilizing it to the teams advantage.
What do I mean by that? Well for instance, a PG should be seeing the game unfold two plays ahead. Everything he does, should be predicated on what happens in the next play or two. Tyreke is the type of player that reacts in the moment. When the ball touches his hands, ideally, he should be able to shoot, drive, or drive and pass, and do so without concience. At the SG position, he would be able to do that. At the PG position, his responsiblity is increased beyond his own game. And I believe that without that burden, you'd be looking at an all star.
Lets just give Tyreke some more time. He's been mishandled from the get go. Some of his lack of progress is his fault, but the majority of it is the orginizations fault. From what I've read, Tyreke is happy that the Kings finally have an offseason program. Not only is Tyreke working out in Sacramento, I keep seeing Cuz at some of the player workouts. To my mind, thats the beginning of a family of players. Everyone finally becoming of one mind. So I'm going to wait and see, with caution, what the results are.
What do I mean by that? Well for instance, a PG should be seeing the game unfold two plays ahead. Everything he does, should be predicated on what happens in the next play or two. Tyreke is the type of player that reacts in the moment. When the ball touches his hands, ideally, he should be able to shoot, drive, or drive and pass, and do so without concience. At the SG position, he would be able to do that. At the PG position, his responsiblity is increased beyond his own game. And I believe that without that burden, you'd be looking at an all star.
Lets just give Tyreke some more time. He's been mishandled from the get go. Some of his lack of progress is his fault, but the majority of it is the orginizations fault. From what I've read, Tyreke is happy that the Kings finally have an offseason program. Not only is Tyreke working out in Sacramento, I keep seeing Cuz at some of the player workouts. To my mind, thats the beginning of a family of players. Everyone finally becoming of one mind. So I'm going to wait and see, with caution, what the results are.