Tyreke is NOT happy
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I think in fairness to everyone involved, no one in the orginization has publicly said anything about trading Tyreke. At least as far as I know. They did say they recieved calls from other teams about Tyreke, and I'm sure they'd listen to any offers. Remember, this all started because of a meeting between Petrie, Tyreke's agent, and Tyreke's brothers. And that was a meeting requested by Tyreke's side, not Petrie's. So its not like the Kings started this thing.
I would also like to say that if Tyreke gets traded, the world doesn't end. It could, but it depends on who he's traded for. I'm by no means advocating that he be traded, but I think some of you are getting a little carried away, and a suicide watch might be appropiate. On the other hand, if I hear he was traded for Steve Blake and a 2nd round pick, I might start looking for the rat poison.
I would also like to say that if Tyreke gets traded, the world doesn't end. It could, but it depends on who he's traded for. I'm by no means advocating that he be traded, but I think some of you are getting a little carried away, and a suicide watch might be appropiate. On the other hand, if I hear he was traded for Steve Blake and a 2nd round pick, I might start looking for the rat poison.
1. Honeymoon Period. - The whole team was playing better when Smart took over. I even said this and many of you agreed with me, and now you are using it as your base of comparison? Come on..
2. Excuse after excuse. - All I see on the board from the "Evans at PG" supporters is an excuse after excuse. He was injured, He was playing under Westphal, He was playing out of position (That last one I agree with), but for his second year, and the first half of this season he stunk when at PG.
3. If you are going to quote records then quote the whole season, just not under Smart. I will take Bricks word for it and say IT is 10-24 at starting PG. Well here is an excuse for the anti IT people. MT has been injured for quite a few games (our leading scorer) and Evans has been playing out of position for most of IT's tenure. So one of our best shooters on the team has been out quite a few games, and Evans (our second best player) is out of position. So that makes it a lot harder on IT to do his job. Does that sound about right? Just spinning the argument.
4. If Evans was so good at seeing his teammates then why has the team assists gone from dead last in the league with him at PG to middle of the pack (on average since IT took over, not overall)? Passing is contagious. You pass to one guy, and he will pass to another.
Question for Reke at PG supporters...... Why would team assists and FG% go WAY up after Reke leaves the PG spot? Do you think that one pass turns into another which turns into another (butterfly effect) until someone has an open shot when one guy holds the ball and bulldozes into the paint? Of course not. Ball movement has gone WAY up, FG% has gone way up, assists have gone WAY UP. Defensive FG% is down but I think that's because we have unhappy players, and players out of position i.e. REKE. But the FG% is pretty dang close to what it was before IT took over.. Just PPG has gone way up, but that's got to do with more possessions and not FG%.
I will say what I have been saying since we drafted Evans..
EVANS IS NOT A PG!
And I will say what I have been saying for the past year and a half;
LET'S PUT EVANS AT SG FOR A YEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!
2. Excuse after excuse. - All I see on the board from the "Evans at PG" supporters is an excuse after excuse. He was injured, He was playing under Westphal, He was playing out of position (That last one I agree with), but for his second year, and the first half of this season he stunk when at PG.
3. If you are going to quote records then quote the whole season, just not under Smart. I will take Bricks word for it and say IT is 10-24 at starting PG. Well here is an excuse for the anti IT people. MT has been injured for quite a few games (our leading scorer) and Evans has been playing out of position for most of IT's tenure. So one of our best shooters on the team has been out quite a few games, and Evans (our second best player) is out of position. So that makes it a lot harder on IT to do his job. Does that sound about right? Just spinning the argument.
4. If Evans was so good at seeing his teammates then why has the team assists gone from dead last in the league with him at PG to middle of the pack (on average since IT took over, not overall)? Passing is contagious. You pass to one guy, and he will pass to another.
Question for Reke at PG supporters...... Why would team assists and FG% go WAY up after Reke leaves the PG spot? Do you think that one pass turns into another which turns into another (butterfly effect) until someone has an open shot when one guy holds the ball and bulldozes into the paint? Of course not. Ball movement has gone WAY up, FG% has gone way up, assists have gone WAY UP. Defensive FG% is down but I think that's because we have unhappy players, and players out of position i.e. REKE. But the FG% is pretty dang close to what it was before IT took over.. Just PPG has gone way up, but that's got to do with more possessions and not FG%.
I will say what I have been saying since we drafted Evans..
EVANS IS NOT A PG!
And I will say what I have been saying for the past year and a half;
LET'S PUT EVANS AT SG FOR A YEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!
I in no way want the Kings to trade Tyreke. I'd be upset if they did. I'd rather see him grow and succeed on my team as well as prove that he indeed can become an elite player in this league. Having said that, I also wouldn't want the organization to give him a max deal. He hasn't earned it and isn't an elite player yet. I hope they can find a middle ground and keep him w/o breaking the bank. Hopefully we'll see Tyreke make that jump we've all been hoping for in the next season or two.
Lastly, I do think Tyreke is one of the best, if not best, play maker on the team. He'd likely average 7-8 assists with teammates that can consistently make open jump shots or convert around the basket. Right now, our team is one of the worst perimeter shooting teams and our bigs are missing too many chip shots around the rim.
Lastly, I do think Tyreke is one of the best, if not best, play maker on the team. He'd likely average 7-8 assists with teammates that can consistently make open jump shots or convert around the basket. Right now, our team is one of the worst perimeter shooting teams and our bigs are missing too many chip shots around the rim.
You know, I really wasn't. I went on a great hike, and spent some time at Left Hand Brewery.
I guess the defeatist nature of my post is out of character.
My straw is like your Maloof straw, and I think this one tipped me over. I think you're right- I hope you're right. Management haas to be dead set onworking with Evans and Cousins. There's no way we went through draft hell to get the both of them only to pee it away under the Smart Management System. We DO have players. We have the right players to make much more progress than we have.
I don't know what next year will look like, but the coach in me knows what needs to be done, and while I don't want to lose Evans, I also applaud him for finally sticking up for himself. I only wish he had done it sooner.
I guess the defeatist nature of my post is out of character.
My straw is like your Maloof straw, and I think this one tipped me over. I think you're right- I hope you're right. Management haas to be dead set onworking with Evans and Cousins. There's no way we went through draft hell to get the both of them only to pee it away under the Smart Management System. We DO have players. We have the right players to make much more progress than we have.
I don't know what next year will look like, but the coach in me knows what needs to be done, and while I don't want to lose Evans, I also applaud him for finally sticking up for himself. I only wish he had done it sooner.
Evans stuck up for himself but he also spoke with Grant with class and no hint of a bad attitude, etc. He had an incredible game - even against the three chairs and two FATHEAD posters pretending to be players - and his post-game comments were upbeat and positive. I am just more and more convinced that there is NO WAY this kid goes anywhere.
BTW? I fixed your quote code in the post above... You're welcome.
BTW? I fixed your quote code in the post above... You're welcome.
No he's not. It's not all about players making jumpshots either.. If Evans drives to the lane and kicks out to a covered man with 5 seconds left on the clock how is he supposed to get a good look? Seeing the floor is much more than passing to someone for a quick jumper with barely any time left on the shot clock.
Basically this is the way I look at the team as a whole..
Our defense sucks.. It sucked with Evans at PG (was last, or within a team or two, in the league at opp fg%) and it sucks with IT at PG..
We all agree on that right? Our defense has sucked this year no matter who ran the point. I do agree that is has taken a step back though with IT at PG. Our D is last since he has taken over, but does it have more to do with playing Evans at SF instead of SG, and starting a three man midget lineup? Would it be better if Evans was at SG and Williams was at SF with Thompson, and Cousins? I bet it would be better than it has been and I bet it would rival what the defense numbers were when Evans was at PG. So that's pretty much a wash.... So both lineups, DEFENSE SUCKED..
Offense has literally went from shooting in the 30%s to the middle of the pack at almost 44% as a team. Remember at the start of the year when the Kings had a hard time breaking 100 and shooting over 40%? Wasn't there a string of games where the Kings as a team shot under 40%? So now we are getting into the offense MUCH quicker, and getting a LOT better looks.. So I see an improvement. Of course getting more shots means the opponent gets more shots and when they are shooting 46% against us then it's going to be one of those 115-109 games..
But seriously..
What's the difference between a game where the opponent shots 46% and beats us 95-89 where we shoot 39% and if a team shoots 48% against us and beats us 115-109 where we shoot 44%? That's basically what's happening now.
I feel that if we put Evans at SG and Williams at SF and stop playing a three guard undersized lineup we could do much better than with IT/MT/Evans. But since Smart is not smart enough to use that lineup we will probably never know.
Basically this is the way I look at the team as a whole..
Our defense sucks.. It sucked with Evans at PG (was last, or within a team or two, in the league at opp fg%) and it sucks with IT at PG..
We all agree on that right? Our defense has sucked this year no matter who ran the point. I do agree that is has taken a step back though with IT at PG. Our D is last since he has taken over, but does it have more to do with playing Evans at SF instead of SG, and starting a three man midget lineup? Would it be better if Evans was at SG and Williams was at SF with Thompson, and Cousins? I bet it would be better than it has been and I bet it would rival what the defense numbers were when Evans was at PG. So that's pretty much a wash.... So both lineups, DEFENSE SUCKED..
Offense has literally went from shooting in the 30%s to the middle of the pack at almost 44% as a team. Remember at the start of the year when the Kings had a hard time breaking 100 and shooting over 40%? Wasn't there a string of games where the Kings as a team shot under 40%? So now we are getting into the offense MUCH quicker, and getting a LOT better looks.. So I see an improvement. Of course getting more shots means the opponent gets more shots and when they are shooting 46% against us then it's going to be one of those 115-109 games..
But seriously..
What's the difference between a game where the opponent shots 46% and beats us 95-89 where we shoot 39% and if a team shoots 48% against us and beats us 115-109 where we shoot 44%? That's basically what's happening now.
I feel that if we put Evans at SG and Williams at SF and stop playing a three guard undersized lineup we could do much better than with IT/MT/Evans. But since Smart is not smart enough to use that lineup we will probably never know.
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I don't know, I respect the fact that Gary has been very consistent in his stance that he thinks that Evans can be a great player, who can help this team... just not at point guard. He's never really wavered off that and, aside from saying repeatedly that Evans can't play the point, he's never really bashed the guy...
If you're responding to my comment, I thought better of it and removed it.
But everyone did!
Those same stats also show we are better starting John Salmons than having him on the bench. START SALMONS!!! WHO'S WITH ME??
The point differential is better after the switch, we just lost a ton of close games while we were blown out in a bunch of games with Tyreke at PG and Salmons at SF. Like Gary said, we lost MT for a while as well. Add to that the fact that teams very often play better immediately after a coaching change and I don't think that stat matters much.
The point differential is better after the switch, we just lost a ton of close games while we were blown out in a bunch of games with Tyreke at PG and Salmons at SF. Like Gary said, we lost MT for a while as well. Add to that the fact that teams very often play better immediately after a coaching change and I don't think that stat matters much.
I think we're trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. We need a strong starter at the 3 before we can seriously look at making other adjustments. Personally, I think the right player at the SF could make Evans at the 1 and Thornton at the 2 a viable option, with IT coming off the bench much like Bobby J did. I also think we need a PF to pair with Cousins. As much as I like JT, I just don't see him consistently filling that need.
And, as my rant earlier this week suggested/demanded, I think we need a strong coach at the helm.
You don't see Evans as a PG; I don't see that we absolutely have to designate a pure PG if we have better pieces at the 3 and 4.
And, as my rant earlier this week suggested/demanded, I think we need a strong coach at the helm.
You don't see Evans as a PG; I don't see that we absolutely have to designate a pure PG if we have better pieces at the 3 and 4.
WHICH DOES NOT MATTER.
Your fascianation with pretty stuff ignores the fact that the point of the game is NOT to be pretty. It doen't matter in the least unless it leads to wins.
What's the argument for Reke as the PG this year? HE WON MORE. Its the only argument that truly matters. And don't give me that honeymoon nonsense. They got about 2 games of that, then headed off onto a long roadtrip, with Hayes out, with Thornton out, with Cousins getting sick by the end of it and going through his worst stretch of the season as he got over it. That group got stronger the further it moved from the coaching change, not the other way around. By the time we finally wised up and started starting JT we were even getting competitive. We were 4-4 in February before we made the changeover to IT. With tonight's epic win we are 11-24 since despite 20 of those 35 games at home.
Your fascianation with pretty stuff ignores the fact that the point of the game is NOT to be pretty. It doen't matter in the least unless it leads to wins.
What's the argument for Reke as the PG this year? HE WON MORE. Its the only argument that truly matters. And don't give me that honeymoon nonsense. They got about 2 games of that, then headed off onto a long roadtrip, with Hayes out, with Thornton out, with Cousins getting sick by the end of it and going through his worst stretch of the season as he got over it. That group got stronger the further it moved from the coaching change, not the other way around. By the time we finally wised up and started starting JT we were even getting competitive. We were 4-4 in February before we made the changeover to IT. With tonight's epic win we are 11-24 since despite 20 of those 35 games at home.