[Grades] Grades v. Sixers 1/10/12

Who was the stinkiest of the stinky Kings tonight?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 29 61.7%
  • Hickson

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • Outlaw

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • Garcia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greene

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
So let's have no more discussion about how Thornton is not important and Jimmer can replace him and whatnot ok?

Oh, and BTW Coach Smart, if you want to earn your surname how about you don't a) pull our two remaining stars, and the only guys other than JT doing anything, early in the 3rd, and then b) turn around and reinsert them in the 4th with us down 27. What was the point? If somebody gets hurt in that kind of nonsense its a fireable offense.

Okay, well rules are rules, and the rules say Theme = Girls. Oh darn.

Boxscore

Salmons ( F ) -- not much to say here and no hesitation on theis grade. Just looks completely dead out there. His game has come to match his personality. The killers though are the open missed threes, where he went 0-6 tonight leading another terrible outside shooting display (we were 4-19 as a team). The offense works, you get a wide open shot from out there...and just horrible. That just kills a team's spirit. We left him in and left him in and he finally hit a couple of one on one type shots in the 4th quarter with us down 30, but come on now. Guy has to do something here to dispel the fear that age may have gotten him. Hitting a wide open shot while anybody still has confidence to look for him out there might be a start.

Brooklyn Decker -- Andy Roddick may not have much success on the court anymore, but he's doing pretty well off it

Hickson ( D ) -- his wild inconsistency reared its ugly head this time, as coming off a strong game he just laid an egg. Airballed his first shot and invisible all game long. Just never involved and could have been any scrub. Could not effect Brand's shot at all, althoough a number of those points came against Cousins too. I'm going with the might as well have not been out there D rather than the I really really wish he hadn't been out there F some of his teammates can look forward to.

Leyla Milani -- of Iranian descent. There's probably some remark there to be made about her being made to wear burka, but I've used that before and so will let it go.

Cousins ( B- ) -- we got treated to a spate of his blown layups right from the start of this one as he blew three early layups off the first set play to start the game, and had that problem finishing inside again throughout the early going. Was making the tough ones though, was big on the boards, and took over when Reke went to the bench as our two young stars were virtually the only guys who came to play in this one other than JT off the bench. Had some more efficiency adventures as he first got swiped in the eye, and then blocked back to back by Brand (and was notably unable to slow Brand the other way, or perhaps unwilling to risk foul trouble to do so). Was doing a much better job managing his fouls and you saw him consciously puling his arm back on attempted swipes, and he knew he screwd up when he picked up his second foul finally going for one. Even twisted out of the way on a few plays where he was thinking of taking a charge. Just in general you could see the game to game intelligence and learning curve again, where he identified a problem and instantly there were results. Not that it helped him much in this game as his coach got bizarre on his rotations and kept on subbing Boogie and Reke out just when they were needed most, culminating in sitting both of them for the bulk of the 3rd as we go embarrassed, and then for some reason returning them for the 4th with us down 27. Had a few late moments filling out the statsheet, including a nice pass (a welcome sight) to Outlaw for what should have been an easy little flip, but it was Outlaw after all. Eventually got called for a flagrant foul late in the game purely on reputation. Wasn't brilliant out there, but was again a solid presence inside while the game was still on, and he and Reke were the only reasons to even tune in tonight.

Lee Hiyori

Fredette ( D- ) -- ok, note 1: he's a rook. But note 2: he;s not ready. not close to ready, and this grade was an F until near the end of the game. Given the start with Thronton out, but unable to do anything from the position and looked overmatched in the process. Got one little pullup to go, but it was surrounded by more of his passing up open shots, taking tougher ones, getting swarmed by guys who don't respect his handle, overpenetrating and looking for bailout passes, turnovers, and various defensive misadventures. In short he really hurt us in the early going on this one, and rookie or not we can't afford that anymore. A couple of years ago, ok, losing is part of the early rebuild and you accept the rookie lumps along the way. But now the Beno whsipers are building, and I can't truly deny them. We're missing him, and Jimmer has yet to come close to filling that role. passing up shots, then hit a little pullup, blown by on defense, and got badly picke on an other. You can see those littel freeing moves he makes with the ball are being smothered by the length of NBA defender and we haven't seen an answer yet. Finally late in the garbagetime made a nice pass to set up Cousins and took a 28 foot 3ptr and drained it. The latter of course being a gotta make it shot or your coach yanks you and you get an atomic wedgie in the lockerroom for making the guys run the court just so you can chuck a prayer. Still, gave me enough, if barely, to pull him out of F land. My get Jimmer off the ball and run some plays to spot him up theory is of course now becoming in vogue, but I still think that might help. Looks intimidated right now and needs to see some shots go through.

Sofia Vegara -- for Slim. XOXO.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Evans ( B- ) -- looking good from the beginning again in this one, getting to the rim and setting guys up for open shots off his penetration. But we were missing absolutely everything no matter how open we were as our shooters completley disappeared again. It really shouldn't be that hard. Smart was doing something mysterious with his minutes -- when our first substitution of the game was Francisco Garcia for Reke, when Reke and Cousins were thetonly two guys doing anything, I nearly choked on my cheerios. Jimmer and Salmons were a combined 1 for infiinty at the time and they stayed in? In any case, Reke came in, went out, was back in for the first few minutes of the third, left, was back to start the 4th, left etc. Along the way he gave us several little bursts of inspired play on both ends, but never developed any great momentum. As the thing turned into a complete debacle and in the face of the stubborn refusal of any Kings player not named Cousins or Thompson to hit absolutely anything, began to try to hero us back into it to predictably uninspiring results. Danger of everybody sucking so bad is the stars say why pass? In any case, this looked like it was going to be another strong performance (and actually was per minute), but the team was so horrid there was never any chance to develop it as part of a competitive basketball game.

Sophia Bush


Bench

Garcia ( C ) -- at the end of the first came in mysteriously for Tyreke, who was the only little guy playing well. Bad blind pass at the beginning of the 2nd leading to a Sixers breakout. Finally hit an open three from Reke after the bestball movement of the entire game for the Kings. My notes slow down after half as Smart basically waved the white flag halfway through the third and had Cisco and various other benchers out there as we jsut got pummeled. Cisco's numbers gradually climbed to the point you at least weren't mad at him the way you were so many of his teammates, but he never had any impact on the game. You can at leas tsay that he is trying to play the right way as a roleplayer, but he and Salmons just look like they've aged 20 years since they were last on the same team. Just look sluggish and unathletic while struggling mightily to even hit 1/3 of their shots.

Serinda Swan

Outlaw ( D- ) -- put in for smallball to end the first quarter, and we got scored on with no interior presence as it was another Smart smallball coaching error -- my biggest concern wiht him was the Nellie influence, and we've definitely seen unfortunate signs at times. Outlaw missed his first jumper, did not get back in transition defense, then fumbled the rebound when the Sixers blew the layup. Missed open threes repeatedly as a core part of the gang who couldn't shoot straight. Finally hit a shot late in the garbagetime to avoid the bagel. At least began getting back ion the break and stopping the resulting breakouts after the initla flub, and for that, as well as a spectacular block in the final minute of garbagetime I am going to go ahead and call this a D- rather than an F. But make no mistake about it, he, and we, were miserable.

Son Dambi

Thomas ( C ) -- struggle to start, but hit one in the mid 2nd during a danger period when we had both Reke and Cousiins out and competeed for a while, on offense at least, as on defense he was just flat too small to guard Holiday. Gave us a little spark after returning in the garbage time, or I should say garbage half, but one on one plays, poor shooting, and munchkin genes combined to mute any impact he might of made and after a while he was just kind of out there.

Nicky Whelan -- tried to photoshop this a tad for modesty, but the combination of the shadows and pattern of the material was frustrating my efforts, so I said screw it rather than wasting any more time on it. Was a great shot, and you can see more on any blustery day in the city or PG-13 movie.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Thompson ( A- ) -- matched against Hawes to begin the 2nd and missed one so bad he banked it in. A second jumper was knuckleballed up way off the mark too. but other than the jumper and his FTs, which larely earned him this minus, he turned in a strong roelplayer game. Was playing some good post defense and solid post moves as he shot over what in the end is a small Philly frontline. Added in some hustle follows and voila, you had a guy who gets it and was very effective back in front fo the hometown fans.

Danay Garcia -- this is Danay...

Greene ( C ) -- in late in the half to miss his own three as part of the party, but played better in the garbagetime, albeit far too many of the minutes were as a smallball PF as Smart refused to play our bigs together out there for long stretches despite JT's competence. Donte responded by rebounding beteer than is his wont though, and committed high Kings treason when he accidentally hit a three.

Danna Garcia -- and this is Danna
 
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#4
What a dismal game again.

Just for "fun" I decided to find out what each player made tonight for their "work" tonight. Based on their reported per year salaries, divided by 66 games this is what each "earned" tonight, and I use the word "earned" extremely loosely.

Is it any wonder that young guys can get a give-a-darn attitude when rewarded thusly whether they do well or not?

Salmons $128,787
Garcia $87,878
Evans $62,903
Cousins $54,965
Thompson $45,474
Outlaw $45,454
Hickson $35,674
Fredette $33,914
Greene $25,453
Thomas $6,630

Perhaps you can touch on how much value the team got for their money tonight in your grades, Brick. lol

Salmons did make 3 actual shots tonight, so at least he only made $42,929 a basket!
 
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rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#5
I overestimated where Jimmer would be at this point. He looks more confused and less confident with each game. I think it'll be something he snaps out of, but I've never seen him look so lost. Thinking far too much. He has more talent than he's showing, but looks to have a few mental hurdles to get over before we start seeing success on the court.

Smart was an idiot tonight. Really no other way for me to put it. What he did with the rotations of Reke and Cousins was inexcusable. You never sit your two best players in the first few mins of a half when they aren't in foul trouble or injured. You just don't. It's a great way to lose them early in this coaching change. You don't replace them in favor of soft, undersized players who put up one brick after another. Putting them back in when down 28 was simply asinine.

They weren't playing that poorly either, and were without a doubt our best performers of the night. So Smart benched them in favor soft chuckers. He seems to think sitting our two best players, and asking a combination of IT,Cisco, Salmons and Outlaw to find a way to win is a better strategy.
 

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Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#6
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#7
Eventually Brick will conditioned some of us to think pretty girls = disaster, leading to some wacky real life situations.
 
#8
I didn't watch the fourth. These games are hard to watch. We're one of the worst teams in the league, again, despite having more talent than some above us.

Coaching was poor tonight. Cousins and Evans were taken out at random times for long stretches. That said, we wouldn't have won anyway. We don't move the ball, we don't play as a team. Everyone looks for their own shot regardless of whose open. The spacing was atrocious. Philly had great spacing, and the difference was night and day. They also pass the ball willingly and always get good looks. No one on that team cares who ends up with that shot - stark difference to the Kings at the minute.

Salmons is worthless. Give me his physical traits and I offer more on the court. He actually cannot do anything. Ditto for Outlaw - I cringe when he's put in because you just know he's going to brick a few threes and turn it over a few times before getting taken out again.

A good SF would make a huge difference here. Someone that plays good defense, makes good decisions and keeps it moving, and hits the open shot. That alone would keep these kind of games relatively close.

A good PG is vital off the bench. Thomas and Fredette are not good enough at the moment. Ideally we could have a solid PG come off the bench who doesn't turn it over and gets people involved. We don't have a true PG on the team now, and that would help when we go into TO mode (pretty much every game).
 
#9
Salmons has to get a F just for the fact that he was playing against his old team and still sucked. If he can't even get excited to show his old team what they lost by trading him, then bench him the rest of the season. His attitude as the "old supposed to be wise" mentor will absolutely kill our team's young attitudes. Smart had Salmons in there to show what a vet is supposed to do to his old team and Salmons just rolled over in bed and ate more Twinkies.
 
#10
I didn't watch the fourth. These games are hard to watch. We're one of the worst teams in the league, again, despite having more talent than some above us.

Coaching was poor tonight. Cousins and Evans were taken out at random times for long stretches. That said, we wouldn't have won anyway. We don't move the ball, we don't play as a team. Everyone looks for their own shot regardless of whose open. The spacing was atrocious. Philly had great spacing, and the difference was night and day. They also pass the ball willingly and always get good looks. No one on that team cares who ends up with that shot - stark difference to the Kings at the minute.

Salmons is worthless. Give me his physical traits and I offer more on the court. He actually cannot do anything. Ditto for Outlaw - I cringe when he's put in because you just know he's going to brick a few threes and turn it over a few times before getting taken out again.

A good SF would make a huge difference here. Someone that plays good defense, makes good decisions and keeps it moving, and hits the open shot. That alone would keep these kind of games relatively close.

A good PG is vital off the bench. Thomas and Fredette are not good enough at the moment. Ideally we could have a solid PG come off the bench who doesn't turn it over and gets people involved. We don't have a true PG on the team now, and that would help when we go into TO mode (pretty much every game).
All very well said.
 
#11
What's up with the rotations?!

What's up with taking your best players out at weird times when they were NOT in foul trouble and replacing them with the bottom of your bench?!

We've never had more SF options on the roster they we have never been ****tier at the position. Salmons, Cisco, Greene, Outlaw.....all get F.
 
#12
Tough game to grade. Kings decided early on to miss every shot they could. Lots of poor decision-making to go around.

Evans - B-. A fair number of drives into traffic turning into bad shots, bad passes, or broken plays. You can get away with those against the Bogut-less Bucks and the Dwight-less Magic. But the Sixers are playing good team D this year. Our leading scorer with 17 on 6 for 13 shooting.

Cousins - C-. His numbers look respectable, but he stopped trying after half time. Run back down the floor, Cuz. Elton Brand ate his lunch.

Hickson - D. Poor shooting (just like everyone else.) Put in some good effort on the boards early, but was handicapped by awful officiating.

Salmons - C-. He shot poorly, defended poorly, but he was actually moving the ball pretty well and looked much less selfish, especially early on. The C- is mostly because his ball movement was so much better than earlier in the season, alas, to no avail.

Fredette - C-. A couple of bad turnovers and another bad shooting night. In garbage time, I wanted Smart to run plays for him to get open shots. If he is going to pay off as a good draft pick in the long-term, he needs more shots in a game like this to help build his confidence. Why not give him six threes in garbage time to try to shake off the jitters? He did hit that one 28 foot three. A few good passes, but he's still doing the Tyreke thing and doing the jumping, spinning panicked pass. Stop that.

Thomas - C-. Lots of minutes, with semi-decent production. 3 for 8 shooting, is, sadly, not bad on a night like tonight. Sloppy play as he is still trying to force the issue inside.

Garcia - C. Poor shooting, but he actually tried to play team ball and distribute. Led the team in assists with four. (sigh)

Outlaw - F. 1 for 8. Why is he allowed to hoist up 8 shots? His hand isn't in a cast anymore, but it might as well be.

Greene - C-. One of two 50% plus shooters tonight at 2 for four (including a corner three). Bad rotation on D which I chalk up more to his very limited minutes and scant team practices than actual poor play, but still.

Thompson - B+. 6 for 7 shooting, 4 rebounds, an assist and 13 points in 16 minutes. Good play from him tonight.

Keith Smart - C-. No idea what was up with the rotations, but the bad shooting wasn't his fault.

Team, overall. D+. Shots weren't there, but the ball is still moving better than it did with Westphal. If we shoot 48% tonight, we still lose. We were down two key starters and we looked like it. We got blown up by one of the best teams in the league right now, and they did it with 7 different guys.

Officiating, F for flaaaaagrant.
 
#14
Tough game to grade. Kings decided early on to miss every shot they could. Lots of poor decision-making to go around.

Evans - B-. A fair number of drives into traffic turning into bad shots, bad passes, or broken plays. You can get away with those against the Bogut-less Bucks and the Dwight-less Magic. But the Sixers are playing good team D this year. Our leading scorer with 17 on 6 for 13 shooting.

Cousins - C-. His numbers look respectable, but he stopped trying after half time. Run back down the floor, Cuz. Elton Brand ate his lunch.

Hickson - D. Poor shooting (just like everyone else.) Put in some good effort on the boards early, but was handicapped by awful officiating.

Salmons - C-. He shot poorly, defended poorly, but he was actually moving the ball pretty well and looked much less selfish, especially early on. The C- is mostly because his ball movement was so much better than earlier in the season, alas, to no avail.

Fredette - C-. A couple of bad turnovers and another bad shooting night. In garbage time, I wanted Smart to run plays for him to get open shots. If he is going to pay off as a good draft pick in the long-term, he needs more shots in a game like this to help build his confidence. Why not give him six threes in garbage time to try to shake off the jitters? He did hit that one 28 foot three. A few good passes, but he's still doing the Tyreke thing and doing the jumping, spinning panicked pass. Stop that.

Thomas - C-. Lots of minutes, with semi-decent production. 3 for 8 shooting, is, sadly, not bad on a night like tonight. Sloppy play as he is still trying to force the issue inside.

Garcia - C. Poor shooting, but he actually tried to play team ball and distribute. Led the team in assists with four. (sigh)

Outlaw - F. 1 for 8. Why is he allowed to hoist up 8 shots? His hand isn't in a cast anymore, but it might as well be.

Greene - C-. One of two 50% plus shooters tonight at 2 for four (including a corner three). Bad rotation on D which I chalk up more to his very limited minutes and scant team practices than actual poor play, but still.

Thompson - B+. 6 for 7 shooting, 4 rebounds, an assist and 13 points in 16 minutes. Good play from him tonight.

Keith Smart - C-. No idea what was up with the rotations, but the bad shooting wasn't his fault.

Team, overall. D+. Shots weren't there, but the ball is still moving better than it did with Westphal. If we shoot 48% tonight, we still lose. We were down two key starters and we looked like it. We got blown up by one of the best teams in the league right now, and they did it with 7 different guys.

Officiating, F for flaaaaagrant.
Salmons, is that you?

You graded yourself a C when you won the poll "the stinkiest of the stinky Kings"?
 
#17
I didn't see the game because there seemed to be a delay before it was aired on Dish. I found out they lost bad so why watch. I did hear Smarts interview on the way home from work and I will give him my advice. When doing interviews don't say so much. Don't call out specific players. Don't talk about anything the team did not do to your liking. Keep all complaints in house. Stay posotive. Don't try to impress the audience with what you know. the less everyone knows about the team the better. Take a lesson from Jim Harbaugh on this.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#18
I didn't see the game because there seemed to be a delay before it was aired on Dish. I found out they lost bad so why watch. I did hear Smarts interview on the way home from work and I will give him my advice. When doing interviews don't say so much. Don't call out specific players. Don't talk about anything the team did not do to your liking. Keep all complaints in house. Stay posotive. Don't try to impress the audience with what you know. the less everyone knows about the team the better. Take a lesson from Jim Harbaugh on this.
Can you outline what he said, or the key points?
 
L

LWP777

Guest
#21
This team is a joke. We are only 10 games in, and they are pretty much unwatchable. I've turned off more games in the 3rd quarter than I can even remember. John Salmons is completely useless. Why the **** did we trade for this guy? It's seriously unbelievable to me. When we traded him the first time, everybody connected to the Kings was relieved. I couldn't have ever imagined that we would actually trade for him again, and give up a very reliable player in the process to get him. He really doesn't add anything to our team. He's selfish, can't make an open shot, plays with no energy or passion, the list goes on and on.

Now let's move to Travis Outlaw. Why did we sign this has-been scrub? He does NOTHING productive. He's probably more of a black hole than Salmons and he also can't make a shot. He's now 2-17 from 3 pt range and shooting 25% for the year. He SHOULD NOT GET ANY MINUTES.

Jimmer is playing like a little girl. He's been AWFUL. Let's just call it how it is. We just need to pray and hope that he gets better but at this point it's not looking like he'll even live up to JJ Redick.

The only 2 players who are playing pretty well are our 2 prized young players -- Reke and Cousins. I just don't think they are ready yet to carry this team all my themselves. The rest of the team is playing absolutely horrid basketball. Thornton would be the only exception, but he's still playing badly for him.

I just don't even know what to say anymore. It really sucks to be a Sacramento Kings fan on so many levels. Our organization stinks from top to bottom. :(
 
#23
Thornton = Scores points on losing teams

Impressive.
My read is that Thornton doesn't trust his teammates yet. Can't say I blame him. It won't continue long-term, either because the team will break down and the front office will be forced to blow it up or teammates will step it up.
 
#25
My recommendation for Smart after this game:

1.) Bench Salmons. Stop playing him as a SF. He has clearly aged and no hops which would make him much more effective as SGs.
2.) Bench Outlaw if he shoots a 3. Outlaw got hops and his play should be within 5 ft from the rim and doing jumping jacks inside.
3.) Start Thompson. I don't mind having no other legit bigs from the bench. We'll just out rebound teams from the start and pound them inside. When we're leading there's no need to worry about bench support.
4.) Stop playing Fredette as SG. If he comes in, let him be the PG and PG only.
5.) Stop playing the Thomas-Freddette backcourt.
6.) Evans should only drive and kick when either Freddette/Garcia/Thornton/Thomas is on the perimeter. Otherwise, he should drive and drop it on bigs. Teams easily crowd Evans when he goes to the paint. 1 or 2 of bigs should be able to get a bit of space to make a shot from Evans. Practice this to perfection and your team will give fits to teams every night even with just 2 offensive sets.
7.) Let Demarcus watch a ton of Duncan tapes on how that HOF operates down low and how that face stays emotionless through out the game. That'll get him off foul troubles fast.
8.) Start Greene at SF for at least 10 successive games. The kid has improved.
9.) Let's go big for the next 10 games.
C- Cousins
PF-JT
SF - Donte
SG - Thornton
PG - Reke

Bench:
C- Hassan
PF-JJ
SF - Outlaw, Garcia
SG - Salmons
PG- Freddette, Thomas
 
#26
Anyone else notice that no one on this team can decide who is supposed to inbounds the ball after a made basket?

There's a metaphor in there somewhere, I think.
 
#27
Hey Petrie, I hope you have Feb 22 marked down on your calendar, when a certain 6'10 defensive mastermind/much needed veteran presence plays his last game for CSKA Moscow! Make it happen dammit!
 
#28
Can we trade Salmons and Outlaw for a wing player that can actually shoot? Seriously Matt Bonner would be more useful to us than Salmons and Outlaw. Jason Kapono? Chicago want Salmons back for Korver?
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#29
Can we trade Salmons and Outlaw for a wing player that can actually shoot? Seriously Matt Bonner would be more useful to us than Salmons and Outlaw. Jason Kapono? Chicago want Salmons back for Korver?
Hold on, I think you have something there...could we trade Salmons and Outlaw for AK47? I'm sure Moscow is nice this time of year. There aren't any rules about trading away teams internationally, are there? This is a case where there should not be. ;)
 
#30
Can you outline what he said, or the key points?
Well the interview was yesterday and I couldn't take notes. But he did call out Tyreke for something he did and made a couple of critisizms of the way the team was playing. He said he wanted the team to run (which is fine) but went into more detail about strategy. My impression was he gave too much information. After watching Nolan and Singletary the last few years I definetly believe less is more.