[Grades] Grades v. Blazers 12/27/11

What stinks worse?

  • Rotten cabbage

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Dog doo doo

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Uncle Bernie's halitosis

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • That gas station bathroom with the out of order sign

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Our offense tonight

    Votes: 33 76.7%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
#31
One of his best qualities in my book. Hope he doesn't lose it. Not many threes because our guys were guarded and our guys had the idea they could score anytime so I'll skip right now or I'll force a bad shot now.

Tyreke, Marcus and Salmons all need to play a helluva lot better than they did last night. The formula is simple - play better, play some or a lot of team ball. No such thing last night even though Fredette and Thomas tried.
I agree with you; no body likes to see needless shots jacked up. What i meant more so, was he was passing up open shots to give someone else a contested one. Sure he'll work through that but he's clearly thinking too much at the moment.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#32
I agree with you; no body likes to see needless shots jacked up. What i meant more so, was he was passing up open shots to give someone else a contested one. Sure he'll work through that but he's clearly thinking too much at the moment.
Yes he seems to be thinking too much but he's a rookie and I don't expect anything else. If I remember correctly he put up some great shots under pressure (clock running down, etc) but had the most trouble when he had time to think. Unless it is early in the clock, I don't want to see him passing up an open shot. He has to know he has a team and coach behind him and he can shoot whether they go in or not. Not discounting other skills he has, he wasn't brought here to replace Tyreke. He was brought here to shoot. Everything else is gravy.
 
#33
Yeah I was hoping Westphal would have brought Jimmer out looked him straight in the eyes and said "we're behind we have confidence in you, so when you're open take the shot"! Seen Jerry Sloan and some others do it many times.
 
#34
Nope. When the Kings start losing, Westphal just starts to look depressed and twiddle his thumbs in his chair. At least that's what it looked like in Portland when the cameras would cut to him.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#35
You know you guys, in technical fact the Blazer game was game #2 of the regular season but in reality it was pre-season game #4. And less than 3 weeks into a typical training camp. Except with the first two games back-to-back and one day of practice with Chuck Hayes, trying to evaluate this game as it was a typical season game after a typical 7-game/30-day training camp. And it gets worse. Beginning thursday (12/29) the Kings will play 6 games in the following 8 days, with one back-back and one back-back-back. That's only two more days of practice for a critically short training camp.

Hopefully everyone can be realistic here and look at these games as still pre-season types, even tho' we all know it is the regular season this year only. After all, the owners needed their pound of flesh out of the new CBA by getting some revenue games going quickly. There. I feel better already.
 
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#36
You know you guys, in technical fact the Blazer game was game #2 of the regular season but in reality it was pre-season game #4. And less than 3 weeks into a typical training camp. Except with the first two games back-to-back and one day of practice with Chuck Hayes, trying to evaluate this game as it was a typical season game after a typical 7-game/30-day training camp. And it gets worse. Beginning thursday (12/29) the Kings will play 6 games in the following 8 days, with one back-back and one back-back-back. That's only two more days of practice for a critically short training camp.

Hopefully everyone can be realistic here and look at these games as still pre-season types, even tho' we all know it is the regular season this year only. After all, the owners needed their pound of flesh out of the new CBA by getting some revenue games going quickly. There. I feel better already.
its not that they lost. Its how the game got away when there was an obvious flaw in the line up. There were other options like Cisco playing the 2 with jimmer or Thomas. I bet a blind man listening on the radio could have coached better.
 
#37
You know you guys, in technical fact the Blazer game was game #2 of the regular season but in reality it was pre-season game #4. And less than 3 weeks into a typical training camp. Except with the first two games back-to-back and one day of practice with Chuck Hayes, trying to evaluate this game as it was a typical season game after a typical 7-game/30-day training camp. And it gets worse. Beginning thursday (12/29) the Kings will play 6 games in the following 8 days, with one back-back and one back-back-back. That's only two more days of practice for a critically short training camp.

Hopefully everyone can be realistic here and look at these games as still pre-season types, even tho' we all know it is the regular season this year only. After all, the owners needed their pound of flesh out of the new CBA by getting some revenue games going quickly. There. I feel better already.
I think most people realize this. A few points though
  • Other teams are in the same boat
  • It was a back to back for Blazers too
  • Yes, we are younger, and have more new pieces. However, the pieces who have been around also seemed confused.
  • Most of the game (true even in the win against Lakers, and preseason games against the Warriors), we didn't seem to be running many sets. It was more of iso, one on one play.

At least my main concern is the lack of structure on offense. When the defense tightens up, players seem confused. If the long ball is not falling, we don't seem to have any idea as to what to do? I hope the coaching staff can fix at least some of these issues.
 
#38
Gerald Wallace didn't abuse Salmons at all in the first quarter. He got four free points in transition, two off of a poorly defended baseline screen and two off of a Tyreke Evans foul and two off of John Salmons on a weak call. That's it.

Q1 11:48 - baseline screen involving Tyreke Evans and John Salmons, who aren't on the same page about how to defend it. Tyreke Evans switches, while John Salmons does not, meaning they both end up guarding the same guy while the other gets open. The Kings aren't in much trouble on this play, but Cousins panics and commits a dumb foul anyway.
FAULT: Cousins, but note the confusion on the baseline screen.

Q1 11:16 - big too far from the basket in the pick and roll - Chuck Hayes is too far away from the basket to stop Felton from driving and getting an open layup. I think Tyreke also makes a mistake by going under the pick, but that doesn't affect the play.
FAULT: Chuck Hayes

Q1 10:10 - transition defense - they get back, but once Cousins gets there, he forgets to pick somebody up. Camby gets an open jumpshot.
FAULT: DeMarcus Cousins or the team for not talking.

Q1 9:57 - gambling - marcus thornton decides to go for a steal in the back court and never gets back. Portland gets an open three.
FAULT: Marcus Thornton

Q1 9:27 - tyreke evans keeps Felton out of the middle, Cousins stays close to the basket to stop felton from driving and the Blazers turn it over. Not a coincidence!

Q1 8:40 - baseline screen - Tyreke Evans and John Salmons in another baseline screen. They're on the same page this time and stick to their guy instead of switching. Tyreke stays too close to his guy, though, letting Marcus Camby throw a pass to Wallace who gets an open layup under the basket.
FAULT: Tyreke Evans.

Q1 7:43 - sideline pick and roll - Cousins and Thornton don't ice. Get burned.
FAULT: Coach (he might not want them to ice), Cousisn or Thornton

Q1 6:40 - sideline pick and roll - Hayes and Thornton don't ice. Blazers get two open shots but their guard makes a bad pass.
FAULT: it's starting to look like the coach.

Q1 5:55 - transition defense - kings don't get back. John Salmons' guy scored, but Tyreke Evans was safety on that play and did not perform.
FAULT: Tyreke Evans.

Q1 3:35 - transition defense - Travis Outlaw decides to attack the offensive board from half court. He was supposed to be the safety on the play. Gerald Wallace gets a one on nothing layup.
FAULT: Travis Outlaw

Q1 2:35 - boxing out - Jimmer stays in front of a guy trying to drive, but runs away after the player puts up a garbage shot instead of boxing out. Blazers get a free bucket.
FAULT: Jimmer Fredette

Q1 0:46 - gambling - marcus thornton gambles for a steal (probably on an emotional high after just hitting a transition three) and gets burned. The blazers get an open jumper.
FAULT: Marcus Thornton

Q1 0:06 - big too far from the basket in the pick and roll - JJ Hickson is too far from the basket to stop Jamal Crawford from driving. JJ contests the shot well, and since Marcus Thornton did force Jamal to go left, he missed. DeMarcus Cousins' box out wasn't enough to stop Chris Johnson from getting a tip.
FAULT: JJ Hickson. I don't really think this play qualifies as a real break down since the gameplan by Marcus Thornton was good, the contest by Hickson was good and the box out by Cousins was good, but it wouldn't have happened if JJ Hickson was closer to the basket in order to discourage the drive.
 
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kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#43
what's funny about westbrook going 0-13 is they still managed to win that game. if one of our big three did that we would lose by 10+
 
#44
Westphal doesn't want these guys icing sideline pick and rolls. Look how much our team suffers because of it. The Raptors lost their game against Indiana today because they don't ice sideline PNRs either.

Q2 9:59 - sideline PNR - Kings don't ice and get burned.

Q2 9:17 - Travis Outlaw gives up the middle of the floor and the Blazers get an open shot.
FAULT: Travis Outlaw

Q2 8:22 - sideline PNR - Kings don't ice. Batum bails the Kings out by taking a dumb fadeaway.

Q2 7:23 - sideline PNR - Kings don't ice and get burned.

Q2 6:57 - The Kings ice a sideline PNR and the blazers turn it over. This is not a coincidence.

Q2 6:15 - boxing out - JJ Hickson is in the perfect position to box out Gerald Wallace, but runs away instead.
FAULT: JJ Hickson

Q2 6:07 - The Kings ice a sideline PNR. The Blazers settle for a long two from LaMarcus Aldridge. Even if he makes it, why should the Kings be upset with that?

Q2 5:23 - sideline PNR - The Kings decide to hedge instead of ice. When Wesley Matthews sees JJ Hickson leaving the paint to hedge, he tries to take Jimmer off the dribble. Jimmer stays in front and Matthews shoots a relatively difficult spin jumper over him. I think that if they iced this instead, Wesley Matthews would be taking that tough jumper over Hickson, which is better for the defense.

Q2 4:47 - Raymond Felton just runs around Tyreke in the back court. Kind of sad.
FAULT: Tyreke Evans.

Q2 4:03 - transition defense - Jason Thompson (the safety on the play) doesn't get back. Tyreke Evans isn't paying attention and lets Wesley Matthews go baseline to baseline in the time it takes him to go from the opposite three point line to half court.
FAULT: Tyreke Evans and Jason Thompson

Q2 3:31 - Hickson with a terrible hedge. Thompson saves the play with two great defensive plays. I'm not a fan of hedging. Everyone is in better position when they ice.

Q2 2:18 - Blazers run the same play as Q1 8:40 with the same result.
FAULT: Marcus Thornton

Q2 0:54 - sideline PNR - Kings don't ice. Kings get burned.
 
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#46
Paul Westphal played small ball in the 3rd quarter with Isaiah Thomas, Jimmer Fredette, Travis Outlaw, Chuck Hayes and JJ Hickson, so when the team played good team defense, their lack of size cost them the bucket anyway.

In the game thread I blamed a number of transition buckets on Jimmer Fredette. It turns out that I was wrong. Here's what I learned: When your team gives up a transition basket, it's not the fault of the guy who actually ran down the floor.


Q3 10:18 - Kings ice a sideline PNR, but Chuck Hayes is too far from the basket to block the drive. Felton gets a layup.
FAULT: Chuck Hayes.

Q3 9:36 - Demarcus Cousins gambles and gets burned.

Q3 8:34 - DeMarcus Cousins gambles and gets burned.

Q3 5:50 - Jimmer Fredette falls down so he can't get back on D. Tyreke Evans nor Chuck Hayes pick up the slack and get back. Jimmer ends up beating them both back down the floor. Blazers get a layup.
FAULT: Chuck Hayes and Tyreke Evans. Moreso Tyreke since he's the guard.

Q3 3:40 - Jimmer hits a big three, points behind him and yells at his team mates to get back. They don't.

Q3 1:15 - sideline PNR - Kings don't ice and get burned.

Q3 0:33 - Isaiah Thomas doesn't realize that he's the safety and doesn't get back. Kings give up a layup.
FAULT: Isiah Thomas
 
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#47
You can tell he's thinking "im not the man anymore; i need to pass" We know he can shoot, he can shoot at this level, he did in pre season (yeah i know, but he did) his dribble drives are hesitant too, as if he's thinking "i shouldn't be doing this."

If he's going to get big minutes like he did tonight, then he flat out needs to take his shots, if they miss so be it, but take the damn shot!

and if you're not going to take the shot, pass to someone other than Outlaw.
To me it seems like Jimmer is just thinking to much out there. Probably thinking about the offensive play. He needs to just go out and play his game even if that is him hogging the ball more.

His issue right now is he is a rhythm shooter and its hard to get into a rhythum when you are only shooting once every 10 times down the floor.
 
#48
BYU also has a much more flowing offense. Jimmer probably doesn't have to be constantly thinking about what the hell his teammates are doing because it's been set up, not the everyone do their own thing that the coach suggests.
 
#49
Watching Sefolosha on this play reminds me of watching Jimmer, and listening to Westbrook reminds me of myself.

 
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#50
Again, cuad - thanks for the defensive breakdown posts - they are very valuable.
I, too, had thought Jimmer was to blame for all those run-outs the Kings inexplicably gave up to the Blazers - who was the most at fault for those?

I'm looking forward to the 4th quarter recap, with totals.