This is heresy, of course. There were times where I was very disappointed with Daly. Just the same ............ no rookie can step in and be just as productive. Now, if Hassan IS as productive, we will have hit the motherload. Maybe we are OK as we stand but I am very conflicted about this and would love to see Hassan in a pick up game.
NOOOOOOO!!! Kings renounce rights to Dalembert!!
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When I heard that they were signing Thornton and Hayes, my first thought was, have they renounced Dalembert. Because there was no way they could sign both with that 20 million dollar cap hold. The only way was if Dalembert agreed to a contract, and signed first. I'm not going to criticize untill I know if anything was offered to Dalembert, and how much. But if they made a decent offer and he didn't jump on it, then they had no choice if they want to start camp tomorrow with all the players there.
If Dalembert is being cute and playing a waiting game, then he or his agent is just plain stupid. There just isn't enough time right now to do that. The Kings are in a position where they needed an answer from him today. If not, they had to renounce him, or they couldn't make any of the other moves they needed to make.
If Dalembert is being cute and playing a waiting game, then he or his agent is just plain stupid. There just isn't enough time right now to do that. The Kings are in a position where they needed an answer from him today. If not, they had to renounce him, or they couldn't make any of the other moves they needed to make.
This are the same questions we keep asking ourselves every time our front office makes a move that doesn't make much sense. I can just about bet my life on the fact that there won't be any other news worthy moves. We will sign our rookies, go into camp with out super recruit in Hayes and call it a day. We only need to spend 80% of the cam this year so we will try and hit that minimum (I think with Thornton, Hayes and the rookies we might be already there) and people will keep wondering what Petrie has up his sleeve.
When the season finished it was clear that we weren't keen to keep Dalembert. The talk from our broke owners was all about keeping Thornton and Dally was barely mentioned. Then we trade for Hickson and sign Hayes. Its a clear indication that we do not value players like Dally and were never keen to spend to keep him. If we could low ball him and he accepts then that's cool. But it was always a case we wouldn't mind having him back but on our own terms which are well below the market. Even our owners came out and just confirmed how basketball stupid they are after Dallas won the championship. According to our Vegas boys, Dallas won because they could shoot and they came away from those series with the belief that shooting is the most important trait in the NBA champs when even the casual basketball fan would tell you Chandler was the difference on that team. Dallas could always shoot for a better part of 15 years but once they got an elite interior defensive force to anchor their defence, they were always the bride maids.
Mark my words. This is it for us. Hit the minimum try and sell the excitement. Promise to spend big next year and never do and keep paddling bull**** to loyal fan base.
When the season finished it was clear that we weren't keen to keep Dalembert. The talk from our broke owners was all about keeping Thornton and Dally was barely mentioned. Then we trade for Hickson and sign Hayes. Its a clear indication that we do not value players like Dally and were never keen to spend to keep him. If we could low ball him and he accepts then that's cool. But it was always a case we wouldn't mind having him back but on our own terms which are well below the market. Even our owners came out and just confirmed how basketball stupid they are after Dallas won the championship. According to our Vegas boys, Dallas won because they could shoot and they came away from those series with the belief that shooting is the most important trait in the NBA champs when even the casual basketball fan would tell you Chandler was the difference on that team. Dallas could always shoot for a better part of 15 years but once they got an elite interior defensive force to anchor their defence, they were always the bride maids.
Mark my words. This is it for us. Hit the minimum try and sell the excitement. Promise to spend big next year and never do and keep paddling bull**** to loyal fan base.
You guys that think Whiteside can just come in and be Sammy D on defense are insane. Dalembert is a league veteran and Whiteside could barely hold his own in the D-League. What makes you think he can just come in and be like Dalembert without the offense? Just because he's tall and can block some shots doesn't mean he can play D.
Maybe Hassan has been beasting in practice? Oh wait...
For real though, I think this is less about Petrie and more about Dally wanting to get out. The writing was on the wall since midseason last year. I dont think he was ever even considering staying. As far as our new 6'6 groundbound midget...At least he plays D. Thats something.
Not that I'm not as annoyed as you are with our constant lack of shotblockers over the years. I love shotblockers too! Lets just hope Whiteside puts it together and actually sticks around.
For real though, I think this is less about Petrie and more about Dally wanting to get out. The writing was on the wall since midseason last year. I dont think he was ever even considering staying. As far as our new 6'6 groundbound midget...At least he plays D. Thats something.
Not that I'm not as annoyed as you are with our constant lack of shotblockers over the years. I love shotblockers too! Lets just hope Whiteside puts it together and actually sticks around.
I kinda find it funny that non of the teams fans that Bert mentioned want him on their teams. He would of been signed by now if he was getting MLE money, my guess he signs for a 1-2 year deal , no one is biting on him even after the Kings renouced his rights. In that case I would say he priced himself into Heats price range.
Wait, even though we don't have Dalembert's Bird Rights... we still have cap space and could sign and trade him to a team thats OVER the cap, right?
Maybe to Miami... for Bosh? Certainly a big name... what else would we have to add?
Maybe to Miami... for Bosh? Certainly a big name... what else would we have to add?
According to James Ham, " The Kings no longer have Larry Bird rights to any of the four waived players. All four could be retained as unrestricted free agents, but the maximum length of any deal signed would be four years, instead of five. The Kings also relinquished the right to use any of these players in sign and trade transactions."
Thanks for the tip off mate!
However, I am always reluctant to believe anything that Grant tries to paddle. He is he Maloof mouthpiece. Every year we hear the same thing but nothing comes of it. Its always a tactic to keep the fan interested and hoping that something (a follow up move) is around the corner yet it never comes.
I would be very surprised if we get a big name front court player to replace Dalembert. Like I have said many times before, There are better FAs out there than Dalembert but there are not many big man that can fit with Cousins both defensively and offensively in terms of covering his weaknesses. Dalembert is a great fit where as someone like Nene would be horrendous despite arguably being a better overall player. Similarly with Gasol...might be more talented than Dally but pair him with Cousins and who guards the PF?!
Like I said, I am not holding my breath. I would be very surprised if anything really significant happened.
However, I am always reluctant to believe anything that Grant tries to paddle. He is he Maloof mouthpiece. Every year we hear the same thing but nothing comes of it. Its always a tactic to keep the fan interested and hoping that something (a follow up move) is around the corner yet it never comes.
I would be very surprised if we get a big name front court player to replace Dalembert. Like I have said many times before, There are better FAs out there than Dalembert but there are not many big man that can fit with Cousins both defensively and offensively in terms of covering his weaknesses. Dalembert is a great fit where as someone like Nene would be horrendous despite arguably being a better overall player. Similarly with Gasol...might be more talented than Dally but pair him with Cousins and who guards the PF?!
Like I said, I am not holding my breath. I would be very surprised if anything really significant happened.
Provided that the team is under the cap enough to absorb the contract? Right?
It doesn't make sense. The whole point of the Bird rights is that the team can go over the cap to sign their own free agents. Once you renounce the rights to a player, he is just like any other FA and you have to work within the salary cap room.
It doesn't make sense. The whole point of the Bird rights is that the team can go over the cap to sign their own free agents. Once you renounce the rights to a player, he is just like any other FA and you have to work within the salary cap room.
Perhaps it might be better to wait and see what Petrie comes up with before we scorch his name!! Bricklayer: the names you mentioned above (and someone already called you on them) couldn't even make our team today, even in their best times. There are still some GOOD choices out there in Free Agency (including Sammy) and Trades, so we can still hope Petrie lands one. Let's send our letters in to Santa and maybe he'll get us our wishes. GO KINGS !!!
As the person who called me on them admitted was true, half the problem is exactly that the names I mentioned couldn't make the team now. Geoff Petrie has NEVER shown any convincing evidence that he values that style of player properly. hence he never goes through any effort to get a good one. Hence we are left with scraps who often do not even get the limited minutes they should. And then they are inevitably gone within a year.
Net result? A team which hasn't finished in the top half of the league in Defensive Field Goal % in the past 8 years. In that time we've only finished in the Top 20 once.
Net result? A team which hasn't finished in the top half of the league in Defensive Field Goal % in the past 8 years. In that time we've only finished in the Top 20 once.
From Stein:
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Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal
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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal
22 minutes ago
I can't be sure about the new CBA, but pretty sure that wasn't allowed under the old one given that the Mavs are over the cap.
Not sure waht we would want/get. Barea and Peja are free agents, and hence I think not possible to send back. Beaubois = their future unless they get Deron so hard to beleive they would move him. And after that there's really not much of anything. They want to send us the Traded Player Exception they are getting for S&Ting Chandler to the Knicks, but that alone isn't of much value to us because there is no way we will use it. Maybe a pick or something I suppose
Only other thing I could even come up wiht would be them trying ton dump Haywood and his reamining years on us via the S&T, thus clearing cap room for them and givng us a veteran shotblocker. But that would so overcrowd our forntcourt, and the Mavs have been committed to havin not one bybut two shotblockers in there for most of the decade, so its also very hard to see.
Not sure waht we would want/get. Barea and Peja are free agents, and hence I think not possible to send back. Beaubois = their future unless they get Deron so hard to beleive they would move him. And after that there's really not much of anything. They want to send us the Traded Player Exception they are getting for S&Ting Chandler to the Knicks, but that alone isn't of much value to us because there is no way we will use it. Maybe a pick or something I suppose
Only other thing I could even come up wiht would be them trying ton dump Haywood and his reamining years on us via the S&T, thus clearing cap room for them and givng us a veteran shotblocker. But that would so overcrowd our forntcourt, and the Mavs have been committed to havin not one bybut two shotblockers in there for most of the decade, so its also very hard to see.
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