Kings extend offer to Chuck Hayes - 4 yr $20 mil
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IF true, and I can't find anything on it right now, then I would guess that this means the FO don't expect to sign Dalembert. It's disappointing, and kind of goes back to the idea that GP doesn't value defensive bigs. What a shame.
Hayes is good as a 4th or 5th big, but he'll expect more than that, and he's vastly overpaid if he is indeed only going to play a few spot minutes. He's a vet who works hard, so that's a good thing, but overall it's really not an inspiring move. If we lose Dally and don't replace him with a shotblocking big, we could actually digress.
Hayes is good as a 4th or 5th big, but he'll expect more than that, and he's vastly overpaid if he is indeed only going to play a few spot minutes. He's a vet who works hard, so that's a good thing, but overall it's really not an inspiring move. If we lose Dally and don't replace him with a shotblocking big, we could actually digress.
"Chuck's big advantage through his career has been that while he's above average on rebounding, he's VERY below average with regard to pay, which has made him an extremely valuable player in the past. Had anyone else in the league recognized this instead of stupidly scoffing at his 6-6ishness, he'd have made an incredible trade asset. He'd also have made a great free agent prior to his starting-stint last season, however, so good for us that no one saw it sooner, I suppose..."
Quote from a Rocket fan... I don't think we should flip out about his height. He might be 6-6 but he is known for being a great defender and a above average rebounder.
Quote from a Rocket fan... I don't think we should flip out about his height. He might be 6-6 but he is known for being a great defender and a above average rebounder.
If this is real, I think we're leaning on just 1 more FA signing and possibly expect a big trade with JT, Greene, and Garcia in it.
We still need to get at least 18M added to the team payroll. And I don't see signing 3-4 FA agents at just 5M-6M to fill that. I'll brace myself for a trade or maybe an amnesty bid.
We still need to get at least 18M added to the team payroll. And I don't see signing 3-4 FA agents at just 5M-6M to fill that. I'll brace myself for a trade or maybe an amnesty bid.
Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player. He just isn't what this team has already found is a key to getting them to the next level. An interior shot blocking presence. We've tried to undersized 4's for way too long. Why go back down that road again, especially when we already have 2 young power forwards?
I will be shocked if the Kings end up more than a million over the minimum.
I will be shocked if the Kings end up more than a million over the minimum.
What would a big trade of Garcia (with his bad contract), Greene (who has done nothing but be an effective youtuber) and JT net you.
They needed to add about 16-17M to reach the threshold. Take 5 out for Hayes, probably 5-7 for Thornton and that leaves $5-6M. None of the shot blocking bigs are coming for $5. Which is where a Barea or Kwame signing comes in.
They needed to add about 16-17M to reach the threshold. Take 5 out for Hayes, probably 5-7 for Thornton and that leaves $5-6M. None of the shot blocking bigs are coming for $5. Which is where a Barea or Kwame signing comes in.
Because they ain't bright. He's the scrappy overacheiver fans love, but their defense absolutely collapsed after he took over in there for Yao. Does the best he can, and is a good man defender, but obiously he couldn't stop me as a help defender. Well he could stop me maybe. But not anybody NBA sized.
The sincere sincere hope has to be...well, it has to be something that's really not a great hope. But it has to be that we are still after Dalembert as well, and that therefore Hayes' arrival means that we are moving somebody else. The logical somebody else would be Jason Thompson, who is both a good guy and one of our young semi-leaders, so Hayes arrival to set a defensive tone and give leadership is less impactful than it would have been.
Two ways you could make me happy about this move would be:
1) sign Hayes, sign Daly, and then because he always had the utmost respect for him, nab Battier as well, possibly in a sign and trade for Thompson (althoguh the sign and trade would help a potential rival one day field a monster frontcourt of its own). That would add/retain three elite defensive players in one offseason and might well be enough to spin our defensive culture around. Then again, we've seen what Battier and Hayes could do alone on defense in Houston, which is to say not much. Individually they were strong, but Houston got bad defensively once they lost the big guy insdie. Maybe bringin back Daly and have some big youn stud atheltes as well would be enough for a different outcome. Could not hurt at least.
2) sign Hayes, not sign Daly (in which case in alarming fashion you really have replacemed Dalembert with Hickson), and thus retain Thompson, but then take the huge chunk of free agency money you still have and spend it to bring Kirilenko back over from Russia. Then you add two top defenders, and try as Utah did to get your shotblocking from your SF. Of course here again it should be noted that Utah's lousy frontcourt defenders/Kirilenko as lane protector theory left that team defensively weak in the middle as well. I should note that any approach like this likely leads to continuing foul problems for Cousins as well because then he has to try to play shotblocker/lane clogger, something he is not naturally fit to do, as once again your Sacramento stubbies would trot out a frotncourt without a single guy more intimidating as a shotblocker than Brad Miller.
The sincere sincere hope has to be...well, it has to be something that's really not a great hope. But it has to be that we are still after Dalembert as well, and that therefore Hayes' arrival means that we are moving somebody else. The logical somebody else would be Jason Thompson, who is both a good guy and one of our young semi-leaders, so Hayes arrival to set a defensive tone and give leadership is less impactful than it would have been.
Two ways you could make me happy about this move would be:
1) sign Hayes, sign Daly, and then because he always had the utmost respect for him, nab Battier as well, possibly in a sign and trade for Thompson (althoguh the sign and trade would help a potential rival one day field a monster frontcourt of its own). That would add/retain three elite defensive players in one offseason and might well be enough to spin our defensive culture around. Then again, we've seen what Battier and Hayes could do alone on defense in Houston, which is to say not much. Individually they were strong, but Houston got bad defensively once they lost the big guy insdie. Maybe bringin back Daly and have some big youn stud atheltes as well would be enough for a different outcome. Could not hurt at least.
2) sign Hayes, not sign Daly (in which case in alarming fashion you really have replacemed Dalembert with Hickson), and thus retain Thompson, but then take the huge chunk of free agency money you still have and spend it to bring Kirilenko back over from Russia. Then you add two top defenders, and try as Utah did to get your shotblocking from your SF. Of course here again it should be noted that Utah's lousy frontcourt defenders/Kirilenko as lane protector theory left that team defensively weak in the middle as well. I should note that any approach like this likely leads to continuing foul problems for Cousins as well because then he has to try to play shotblocker/lane clogger, something he is not naturally fit to do, as once again your Sacramento stubbies would trot out a frotncourt without a single guy more intimidating as a shotblocker than Brad Miller.
Cisco is owed $6M the next 2 years. Even if Greene and Thompson's combined $6M isn't guaranteed, how would this help any team looking to unload a contract, unless its player we probably don't want. ie. you may be able to swing something like those 3 for Biedrins, but why would you. And for that fact, why would GS?
The only move like this that I could potentially see happening would be to swap those 3 guys for Okafor but I'd rather have Dally at 10M than Okafor at 14M.
The only move like this that I could potentially see happening would be to swap those 3 guys for Okafor but I'd rather have Dally at 10M than Okafor at 14M.
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I LOVE IT. He can be a mentor to our young bigs. I believe he has a lot of respect from players around the league and can be the "veteran" voice of reason along with Cicso. Cousins will get better playing against him in practice and he can be taught post defense from Hayes. Hayes i NOT a shotblocker but is a post D monster.
