Tony Parker for 7th
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Parker for #7 is a no-brainer to me
Jefferson's contract is awful. But keep in mind he's a small forward who shot 44% on 3's last year, started and averaged 11 a game for a 61 win team.
Here's how I would rank the players in a ten man rotation.
PG – Parker (2), Udrih (7)
SG- Evans (1), Thornton (4)
SF – Jefferson (6), Cisco Garcia (9), Donte Greene (10)
PF – Boogie (3), Jason Thompson (8), maybe a lil Donte Greene
C – Dalembert (5)…With Jason Thompson and Boogie backing up in the big man rotation.
That is pretty nice. Not much shooting, but you have big guys who can score, rebound and defend the rim. And little guys who can get to the paint and score.
At that point you are just looking for a 3 who’s a top level shooter and can spread the floor. If he can handle and pass a little bit, that would be perfect because I don’t see a lot of great passers up there either. Larry Bird or Mullin would be perfect.
Jefferson's contract is awful. But keep in mind he's a small forward who shot 44% on 3's last year, started and averaged 11 a game for a 61 win team.
Here's how I would rank the players in a ten man rotation.
PG – Parker (2), Udrih (7)
SG- Evans (1), Thornton (4)
SF – Jefferson (6), Cisco Garcia (9), Donte Greene (10)
PF – Boogie (3), Jason Thompson (8), maybe a lil Donte Greene
C – Dalembert (5)…With Jason Thompson and Boogie backing up in the big man rotation.
That is pretty nice. Not much shooting, but you have big guys who can score, rebound and defend the rim. And little guys who can get to the paint and score.
At that point you are just looking for a 3 who’s a top level shooter and can spread the floor. If he can handle and pass a little bit, that would be perfect because I don’t see a lot of great passers up there either. Larry Bird or Mullin would be perfect.
Without Jefferson, I'm coming down on the side of aquiring Parker. Parker is a very good basketball player. I could give you statistics to prove it, but I'm just too lazy right now, and I'm not into educating people at the moment. If you don't know just how good Parker is, the you haven't been paying attention.
Aside from his salary, the biggest obsticale seems to be everyone's opinion that he's not a good fit next to Evans. This seems to be a common arguement for just about any player mentioned as a freeagent or a possible draftee. I'm starting to believe, and thats only if I buy the premise, that there's absolutely no one out there thats a good fit next to Evans. Well, if thats really the case, then the problem is Evans. As I said, that true for me only if I buy that premise. Which I don't. Its all about adapting, and anytime a new player is added to a team, especially an impact player, everyone has to adjust their games to some extent.
Everyone seems to assume that what you see with Evans is what your always going to get. Well, if thats true, then we ought to trade him as soon as possible while the iron is still hot. Call me stupid, but I'm of the belief that Evans is going to evolve into a very good player. It will take some time, but it will happen. I'm also of the belief that having a player of Parker's stature and experience will help him along that path. Evans may argue with Beno over a decision, but I think he'll be less likely to argue with Parker.
While Parker shot only 35.7% from the three, he shot over 51% overall, which is very good for a guard. One of the reasons I like Beno last season. Parker would automaticly become the best passer on the team. Parker has a 71% winning percentage in clutch situations. His production per 48 minutes rating is 21.2 and his oppositions rating is 14.9. Thats a plus 6.3 in his favor. As I said, he's a very good basketball player. He's been an all star in the western conference despite having Kidd, Nash, Williams etc. bidding for the same spot. He has a couple of championship rings, and was voted the most valuable player of the championships series once. And yet people are arguing over how good a fit he'll be. In the real world, rational people would be talking about how Evans would have to fit with Parker, and not the other way around.
So if this trade was as originally propossed, I'd do it. However, with Jefferson now added to the mix, I have to take a step back. Jefferson would be a step up from what we have at present at the SF position. So I don't have a problem with him being out on the floor as a starter. As someone pointed out in a tweet. With Parker and Jefferson, the Kings would have 40% of a starting unit that won 61 games last season. I do have a problem with Jeffersons contract however. If I have to take Jefferson in the deal, then the Spurs would have to take back either Beno, or Cisco. The Spurs would still save some money under the cap, but Jeffersons salary would at least be reasonable if we can cut 6 or 7 mil off in return. I'd still have to think about it..
Aside from his salary, the biggest obsticale seems to be everyone's opinion that he's not a good fit next to Evans. This seems to be a common arguement for just about any player mentioned as a freeagent or a possible draftee. I'm starting to believe, and thats only if I buy the premise, that there's absolutely no one out there thats a good fit next to Evans. Well, if thats really the case, then the problem is Evans. As I said, that true for me only if I buy that premise. Which I don't. Its all about adapting, and anytime a new player is added to a team, especially an impact player, everyone has to adjust their games to some extent.
Everyone seems to assume that what you see with Evans is what your always going to get. Well, if thats true, then we ought to trade him as soon as possible while the iron is still hot. Call me stupid, but I'm of the belief that Evans is going to evolve into a very good player. It will take some time, but it will happen. I'm also of the belief that having a player of Parker's stature and experience will help him along that path. Evans may argue with Beno over a decision, but I think he'll be less likely to argue with Parker.
While Parker shot only 35.7% from the three, he shot over 51% overall, which is very good for a guard. One of the reasons I like Beno last season. Parker would automaticly become the best passer on the team. Parker has a 71% winning percentage in clutch situations. His production per 48 minutes rating is 21.2 and his oppositions rating is 14.9. Thats a plus 6.3 in his favor. As I said, he's a very good basketball player. He's been an all star in the western conference despite having Kidd, Nash, Williams etc. bidding for the same spot. He has a couple of championship rings, and was voted the most valuable player of the championships series once. And yet people are arguing over how good a fit he'll be. In the real world, rational people would be talking about how Evans would have to fit with Parker, and not the other way around.
So if this trade was as originally propossed, I'd do it. However, with Jefferson now added to the mix, I have to take a step back. Jefferson would be a step up from what we have at present at the SF position. So I don't have a problem with him being out on the floor as a starter. As someone pointed out in a tweet. With Parker and Jefferson, the Kings would have 40% of a starting unit that won 61 games last season. I do have a problem with Jeffersons contract however. If I have to take Jefferson in the deal, then the Spurs would have to take back either Beno, or Cisco. The Spurs would still save some money under the cap, but Jeffersons salary would at least be reasonable if we can cut 6 or 7 mil off in return. I'd still have to think about it..
Everything in your first four paragraphs is spot on. About Jefferson't contract though, is it really THAT bad? He's making 8 million next year. If you were to sign a player like Jefferson in free agency it would cost you at least 5 or 6 million anyways. So the way I see it, you'd only be overpaying by a few million. It's not like he has a Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Vince Carter type contract where he's making two or three times what he's currently worth.
Good suggestion. I'd think about it for for about 1/1000 of a second before I did the deal. One should always use prudence about such things.
Totally agree about the "static" Tyreke perception. If Tyreke last year is Tyreke two years from now, then whoever you put in the backcourt is not going to be very complementary and the backcourt isn't going to be all that great. If Tyreke can round out his game, on the other hand, then it becomes much easier to find good complementary backcourt mates.
Totally agree about the "static" Tyreke perception. If Tyreke last year is Tyreke two years from now, then whoever you put in the backcourt is not going to be very complementary and the backcourt isn't going to be all that great. If Tyreke can round out his game, on the other hand, then it becomes much easier to find good complementary backcourt mates.
Jefferson and Parker make 22M combined next year. That kills our cap space and may risk resigning Dally and Thornton both. No other team is going to take Garica for a 2nd round pick. We would have to use this opportunity to send back Beno and/or Garcia. Beno just had a career year and would seemingly fit as a backup guard behind Hill there just fine. You'd think they would almost prefer that. Beno's contract is not really much of a poison pill - not nearly as much as Jefferson anyway
I also agree with the first four paragraphs. Spot on.
As for the last paragraph, I think this deal goes away without the Jefferson component, and I doubt the Spurs would just trade it off for slightly less money in adding in Beno and/or Garcia. So it's either Parker and Jefferson or we take a player at #7 and continue to horde the cap space.
Here are my thoughts:
A) I don't think that trade makes it any less possible to bring back Thornton and Dalembert. We can keep them all.
B) If you did make that trade, and re-signed Thornton and Dalember.....At that point Garcia and Udrih are nice roation pieces to have. Vets who can shoot. And its not like their contracts are brutal. They've each got two years left.
As for the last paragraph, I think this deal goes away without the Jefferson component, and I doubt the Spurs would just trade it off for slightly less money in adding in Beno and/or Garcia. So it's either Parker and Jefferson or we take a player at #7 and continue to horde the cap space.
Here are my thoughts:
A) I don't think that trade makes it any less possible to bring back Thornton and Dalembert. We can keep them all.
B) If you did make that trade, and re-signed Thornton and Dalember.....At that point Garcia and Udrih are nice roation pieces to have. Vets who can shoot. And its not like their contracts are brutal. They've each got two years left.
Its not Webber bad, but its bad without us sending something back...
I have been thinking about this trade for a while and I think the Kings need to do something like this if they want to stay in Sacramento. Even if this does hurt us a little bit in the long run I think it is needed to energize the fan base and get more people to the games and eventually get that arena plan approved.
I have been thinking about this trade for a while and I think the Kings need to do something like this if they want to stay in Sacramento. Even if this does hurt us a little bit in the long run I think it is needed to energize the fan base and get more people to the games and eventually get that arena plan approved.
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How does 22 million "kill your cap space" when you've got 35 million in cap space? Geez, there's absolutely no point in having all that cap space if you don't want to use it to take advantage of an opportunity like this. You might as well just stay 15-20 million under every year and hope and pray you sign Dwight Howard or Chris Paul.
Exactly. The Kings' situation isn't a typical one. The Kings future in Sacramento is still a long way from certain. They need to stat winning next year so they can get the fans back and help carry the momentum from here we stay, here we build, KJ, ICON, etc. into a successful basketball season and hopefully new arena. You don't have to win 60 games, but if you could even win 45-50 it would do wonders for the fan-base. Bringing Parker and Jefferson aboard should be a big help in getting there. Much more so than drafting at 7 will be.
First of all 35M is not the number even if the cap stayed the same. Right now with the current cap it would be 29M free according to sham since we have 29M committed on a 58M cap. Second, a more restrictive CBA looming and who knows how that will limit our options to resign Dally and Thornton.
It's not my money. Hell....spend it all for all I care. I just don't think the Maloofs are going to drop 37Mish more in salary (Parker + Jefferson + Dalembert + Thornton) than they are currently committed to. Think what you will...
It's not my money. Hell....spend it all for all I care. I just don't think the Maloofs are going to drop 37Mish more in salary (Parker + Jefferson + Dalembert + Thornton) than they are currently committed to. Think what you will...
The projected cap for next year is currently 62 million. That's what I'm basing it on. And they will drop it if thy're truly serious about winning again. Who's out there that's better to spend it on? Tony Parker is probably better than anyone in this year's FA market and Jefferson is a decent pickup too, just a little overpaid.
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My reservations about Jefferson's contract aren't so much about whether he's being overpaid or not, its about how taking on that additional contract affects our ability to sign any other freeagents, including Dalembert. And actually, according to Shamsports, Jefferson is making $9,282,000.00 next season. But hey, I won't quibble over an additional 1.2 mil. So lets do some arithmetic. Kings salaries, if they don't pick up Jeter, will be at $27,316,790.00.
Everyone is using 62 million as the projected cap, only because it was mentioned as part of ownerships new proposal, and since its all we have to go on, I'll use it as well. But I do think we should be very careful here. There are no guarantees that $62 mil will be part of the final deal. It could be less than that amount. It all just guesswork at this point. So if you substract the Kings current obligations from the 62 mil you have $34,683,210.00 to work with. Now if you stick with the original deal as its being reported, our number 7 and Casspi for Parker and Jefferson, and maybe the 28th pick. Not sure about the 28th pick. Anyway, both Parker and Jeffersons salaries add up to $21,782,000.00. If you substract Casspi's salary from that you end up with $20,440,040.00. Now if you then substract that amount from our available capspace your left with $14,243,170.00 to work with.
So if you assume that Thornton is going to get somewhere around 5 to 6 million to start, you'd be left with somewhere between 8 to 9 million to sign Dalembert. Thats cutting it tight, and thats based on a figure of $62 mil to start with, and even if the figure ends up being the final figure, it leaves us capped out, which may not bode well with Thompson's contract coming up after next season.
However, if you can make the player going back to the Spurs, Beno, then the deal becomes a lot more palatable. After you subtract Beno's salary from the combined salaries of Parker and Jefferson, your left with $14,856,600.00. After you subtract that figure from our capspace your left with $19,862,610.00 to work with in freeagency. That would be more than enough money to resign both Thornton and Dalembert, and have money left over. If the cap is indeed 62 mil.
Apparently the Spurs are trying to unload salary, and obtain a high draft pick as well. When I look around the league, I can see only one team with a high pick that also has enough cap space to do such a deal. And that team is the Kings. Which means, that puts us in the driver seat. So I think that if they want a deal, they do it on our terms, or they can go looking somewhere else. My perference for a deal would be they send Parker, Jefferson, and the 28th pick for Beno, Casspi, and the 7th pick. They get a young SF and a good backup PG, the 7th pick in the draft, and they also save a substanical amount of capspace.
Everyone is using 62 million as the projected cap, only because it was mentioned as part of ownerships new proposal, and since its all we have to go on, I'll use it as well. But I do think we should be very careful here. There are no guarantees that $62 mil will be part of the final deal. It could be less than that amount. It all just guesswork at this point. So if you substract the Kings current obligations from the 62 mil you have $34,683,210.00 to work with. Now if you stick with the original deal as its being reported, our number 7 and Casspi for Parker and Jefferson, and maybe the 28th pick. Not sure about the 28th pick. Anyway, both Parker and Jeffersons salaries add up to $21,782,000.00. If you substract Casspi's salary from that you end up with $20,440,040.00. Now if you then substract that amount from our available capspace your left with $14,243,170.00 to work with.
So if you assume that Thornton is going to get somewhere around 5 to 6 million to start, you'd be left with somewhere between 8 to 9 million to sign Dalembert. Thats cutting it tight, and thats based on a figure of $62 mil to start with, and even if the figure ends up being the final figure, it leaves us capped out, which may not bode well with Thompson's contract coming up after next season.
However, if you can make the player going back to the Spurs, Beno, then the deal becomes a lot more palatable. After you subtract Beno's salary from the combined salaries of Parker and Jefferson, your left with $14,856,600.00. After you subtract that figure from our capspace your left with $19,862,610.00 to work with in freeagency. That would be more than enough money to resign both Thornton and Dalembert, and have money left over. If the cap is indeed 62 mil.
Apparently the Spurs are trying to unload salary, and obtain a high draft pick as well. When I look around the league, I can see only one team with a high pick that also has enough cap space to do such a deal. And that team is the Kings. Which means, that puts us in the driver seat. So I think that if they want a deal, they do it on our terms, or they can go looking somewhere else. My perference for a deal would be they send Parker, Jefferson, and the 28th pick for Beno, Casspi, and the 7th pick. They get a young SF and a good backup PG, the 7th pick in the draft, and they also save a substanical amount of capspace.
Don't think you are getting my objection. If you told me we could make that trade and the Maloofs would resign Dally / Thornton for sure then I'm seriously thinking about it. I'm not convinced that is true given the CBA uncertainty and our ownership.
I still think I would rather have Iggy for pick #7 and Casspi than Parker. That may just not be something that Philly is interested in though.
I still think I would rather have Iggy for pick #7 and Casspi than Parker. That may just not be something that Philly is interested in though.
Good points. However, the Maloofs have spent over the cap in the past. I think it's OK to be capped out or even over the cap as long as you've got a good team. If for the next few years your core is Parker/Evans/Cousins/Dalembert/Jefferson/Thornton, that would give the Kings a playoff caliber team through about 2015 when Parker and Jefferson's contracts expire and Cousins and Evans need new, probably much bigger contracts. As far as I'm concerned, cross that bridge when you come to it. I'm focusing on the next three/four seasons and how to get back to winning and selling out games ASAP. They've got to get some interest back in this team beyond just the die hard fans and a trade like this could be just the catalyst they need.
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Ok...so theoretically, if this trade happens...or the trade for Felton happens...you have 3 guards that are starters, Tyreke...Thornton...and Parker/Felton. Who starts, who comes off the bench? Also, say we re-sign Dalembert and Thornton, if we end up trading for one of those guys...we'll be tapped out $$$ wise...and still would have a glaring hole at the SF position. What will we do??
Agree. I like the team we have now too and was just waiting for them to mature and get a bit better. A lot of the games were very competitive last year and I think the team we were fielding last year was heading in the right direction. Was expecting big things this year... If you can add two players of Parker and Jefferson's caliber it pushes it over the edge in my mind. I like Jefferson, I know he isn't a super star but I like him and think he could fit well here. Wishing and dreaming about getting big free agents is great, but how many teams are living that dream? Flirting with the playoffs this season is what I was hoping for.
yeah, and the thing is, there really aren't any free agents available this year who are better than Tony Parker so I don't know who the folks that are against this are holding their breath for. It's not as if taking Parker kills your chance at getting Howard, Durant, Paul, etc. because those guys aren't available anyways and even if they were, they probably aren't coming here so there's no sense hording cap space for a pipe dream. You've got to strike while the iron is hot so to speak and I just don't see it getting any hotter than Tony Parker.
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Indeed. None of the theoretical trades involve the Kings getting the one position they need filled and that is the SF position. The conversation has been around Parker/Jefferson/Felton and if they are an upgrade, if they are a fit, what impact their salaries have, etc. Any SF would be an upgrade and at that position, I see fit as less of a problem. I don't want a chucker at SF and I prefer a defensive minded one but I don't understand why the only deals we are rumored to be involved with don't address our real need.
Nobody in the draft is an immediate fix at SF and if we trade away our pick, forget that anyway. I think someone is taking their eyes off the ball so to speak. Or it's all a smoke screen.
Nobody in the draft is an immediate fix at SF and if we trade away our pick, forget that anyway. I think someone is taking their eyes off the ball so to speak. Or it's all a smoke screen.
That is the question. To sign a SF? Well that's the beauty of it is that Jefferson is a suitable SF so this deal would effectively kill two birds with one stone. Sure you have have to overpay Jefferson a bit but that's acceptable because he fills a need. Trading for RJ and TP then resigning Thornton and Dalembert will put them at or slightly over the cap but that's OK because the team really wouldn't have any holes at any position at that point. They'd be set for the next four years.