Mayor: Excited, Anaheim closer to an NBA team

#3
Does it feel to anyone else as though KJ and Tait have been talking to each other? Does to me.

These two stories are just too closely timed to make me think otherwise.


Have the Maloofs given the requested documents to Taylor-ICON yet? Well, there's your answer.
 
#4
It seems to reflect everything we know when I read the comments from the OC Register. The majority of them don't care if they get a team or not. They've got the Lakers. The people who truly love this team are losing it to a city that doesn't care if it's there or not. Everyone here knows this, and it's constantly reflected in the "comments" from every OC article. So sad.
 
#5
- saying it feels like slow death.
Those words cut deep to me (something personal that I dealt with exactly a year ago) this just stacked on top of it.

I had family come in from Anaheim yesterday. I know this won't change anything and this is just a small sample size but they came to a consensus that the move is stupid. That their area is **kers territory and has a growing Clipper population with the college group thanks to Blake Griffin. That was their way of consoling me.

I jokingly tried to convince one of them into showing up to a city counsel meeting decked out in his Ducks' gear.
 
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#6
Reading comments.. People in OC DON'T EVEN WANT THE TEAM THERE.. Why are the Madicks such pricks on this proposed move? I hope they go broke.. Seriously.. I hope they lose all their money, and judging by their retarded as hell casino that sucks a big fat one I think it will come sooner than later.

Thank you Bernie Madoff for stealing some of their money. I wish you were able to take it all so the Madicks would have had to sell to someone that would have kept the Kings in Sac where they belong.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#7
Reading comments.. People in OC DON'T EVEN WANT THE TEAM THERE.. Why are the Madicks such pricks on this proposed move? I hope they go broke.. Seriously.. I hope they lose all their money, and judging by their retarded as hell casino that sucks a big fat one I think it will come sooner than later.

Thank you Bernie Madoff for stealing some of their money. I wish you were able to take it all so the Madicks would have had to sell to someone that would have kept the Kings in Sac where they belong.
I'm pretty sure the Maloofs and Anaheim officials are the only people that actually want this move to happen, judging from the general reaction.
 
#8
All these conflicting reports are getting exhausting. One report say that the deal is hitting snags or that there's signs it won't go through, another says it's pretty much a done deal. It's an emotional roller coaster.
 
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#9
The reports aren't really all that conflicting. It's a done deal. Any snags are just formalities that need to be ironed out.

Aghhh. This makes me sooo mad. I've been a Kings fan all my life. What burns the most, is that this team is mirroring the Seattle Supersonics in terms of on the court performance. The team is rebuilding, and are a few key pieces away from being an exciting up-and-coming team for a few years, and they'll have the cap space once in Anaheim to make the necessary moves. This will, in turn, bring just enough people in the doors for the Maloofs to put on a happy face and smile and applaud the fans while David Stern dubs Anaheim as a "model sports town." At which point Anaheim residents will convince themselves that the team left Sacramento for a lack of fan support, which we all know to be untrue.

Still though, they'll always be second fiddle to the Lakers. The Clippers will remain the Clippers, and any excitement generated will fade after the Griffin effect. We saw the same thing with Danny Manning, Elton Brand, etc. It happens every 7 or 8 years, but they always fall back in line.

I haven't lived in Sac for over a decade now, but I still follow the Kings (I even went to the 40 point drubbing last night here in Chicago wearing my powder blue Kings hat just to say goodbye to my childhood memories). This is terrible, but at least once the move is complete I can completely divorce myself from the NBA. I just can't continue to support a business that treats their customers with such disdain.

Lets face it, the NBA has a business model where small market teams have no chance. People like to point to San Antonio as the exception, yet San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the country, and they probably control a large majority of the Texas demographic. Cities like Sacramento have no chance at winning a championship with David Stern at the helm (only 7 teams have won an NBA championship under his watch), and I doubt that the new collective bargaining agreement will do much to help the situation. The NBA is now at a point where they need extravagant new buildings complete with restaurants, luxury suites, shopping boutiques, acres upon acres of parking, and oh yeah, a basketball court in order to generate new streams of income to keep up with the skyrocketing and unsustainable costs associated with having a team. The NBA generates enough money to build these arenas, but they know they don’t have to because some city will come along and subsidize the costs. So instead of keeping overhead low and player salaries reasonable, they inflate their worth and pass the risk on to their hosts cities. And once they bleed the city dry, they point to the arena and claim it is inadequate, and start the process over in a new city. It’s disgusting. And it’s even more sickening when you consider that teams like Sacramento will never reap the benefits and be rewarded with the ultimate prize of an NBA championship. Charlotte, New Orleans, take notice. Who will be the next domino to fall?



Proponents of a new state-of-the-art arena like to point to the income generated and the benefit of local economies. And while it is true that an arena can serve multiple purposes aside from NBA games, we shouldn’t let the NBA off the hook for their corporate greed. The NBA demands a portion of funds from an arena, even for non NBA events, and they also like to claim that an NBA arena is a boost to the local economy. Almost all scholars on the subject claim that the economic benefit of an NBA team is negligible, and in some instances a burden to the host city. And if this were in fact the true intent of the NBA (it’s not) then new arenas would not be necessary with “large footprints” that are designed to keep that revenue stream inside of the building and funneled directly to the NBA. Realistically, sports teams that actually do benefit local economies are arenas or stadiums that are urban, such as Wrigley field (which is quite old), which is in the middle of a neighborhood surrounded by bars, restaurants, and other business that see a boost during and after games. Key Arena in Seattle was another urban arena, and we all saw what commissioner Stern thought about that


The NBA is not interested in a private-public partnerships. They are simply looking out for number 1. The fact is, the NBA is operating at a cost that it cannot pay for with ticket sales/merchandise/tv contracts alone. It now requires almost half a billion tax dollars per city every ten years or so in order to stay solvent. Literally billions of dollars are given to the NBA to keep the business afloat. In any other “business,” this demand would be laughed at for the fraud that it is.


I’m a huge Kings fan, and I would be devastated if they left, but the truth is that the NBA is going to make a move that is in the best interests of the NBA; local governments, local economies, and years of tradition and fan support be damned. Enjoy your "Royals" Anaheim, but don’t expect it to last, as the NBA has started a dangerous trend that isn’t likely to stop any time soon. The Honda Center will be deemed inadequate soon enough.
 
#10
I don't get that at all. I watched their meeting last night and the Mayor seemed to be the biggest watchdog of the city funds.
He was the only one to oppose a deal with the city union to take a furlough day, but his problem was the deal included an hourly increase, but a net decrease. Kinda complicated, but he didn't like the "principle" of giving out a hourly raise to soften the blow of a furlough day. The city of Anaheim is losing $38,000 a day.

If they were to approve this I would expect Samueli to "show them the money', meaning who gets what. If not, I smell a rat.
 
#11
Well, it appears that the fat lady is about to sing. Wow. It seems like this whole Anaheim relocation situation didn't take too long to get basically completed (unless secret negotiations/discussions started a long time ago). I really feel bad for the fans of the Kings in the Sacramento area. I really do. I was hoping the team could stay at least one more year so that ICON can sharpen its pencil and provide an acceptable plan for financing a new arena. I don't think the 'remaining' issues regarding the locker rooms and practice facilty will break the deal. I heard there's a sports complex in Anaheim that the team can practice in (Anaheim Sports Complex?) until a new facility can be built. The locker rooms and offices are no big deal, either. No way will the lack of these things, now, prevent a team from coming to Anaheim. With that said, the Maloofs are taking a big risk in moving the team to Anaheim. Bottom line, if the Kings/Royals play good the fans will come. If they play anything like they are playing now forget it. Another thing is that the Lakers will start to decline soon with their aging players so the timing of this move seems to be spot on. A friend of mine commented to me that the Maloofs most likely hired some kind of experts to analyze the idea of staying put in Sacramento with no new arena vs. staying in Sacramento with a new arena vs. moving to Anaheim as a tenant and the Anaheim move proved much more feasible and faster to earn big bucks. Just a thought: I know the Maloofs have been firm about saying they'll never sell the team but can this move be a way to increase the team's value in 5 years or so and ultimately sell to Samueli or someone else?
 
#12
Its pretty obvious that the kings wont be getting a lot of attention down there if they arent winning all the time. And on top of that, they will have to fight for attention with the lakers, who are always winning no matter what, and the clippers, who have one of the biggest future stars in the nba. Theres just way too much competition down there in so cal. This move makes me feel like the maloofs just want to be anywhere but sacramento.
 
#13
All these conflicting reports are getting exhausting. One report say that the deal is hitting snags or that there's signs it won't go through, another says it's pretty much a done deal. It's an emotional roller coaster.
yeah, we're about to be lebron'd in a few weeks. they will take their talents to socal
 
#14
All these conflicting reports are getting exhausting. One report say that the deal is hitting snags or that there's signs it won't go through, another says it's pretty much a done deal. It's an emotional roller coaster.
Well, that's because the report of "snags" was utterly without foundation. Try as I might, I could not find a source that confirmed that.

That was just a blogger, thinking wishfully.

I tell you, it's not as much the content of what Tait and KJ said yesterday, it was the timing. They both said the same thing, within hours of each other. The last details were ironed out yesterday, and both KJ and Tait caught wind of that at about the same time; hence the timing on the comments.

What were the last details? Doesn't even matter.
 
#15
Well, it appears that the fat lady is about to sing. Wow. It seems like this whole Anaheim relocation situation didn't take too long to get basically completed (unless secret negotiations/discussions started a long time ago). I really feel bad for the fans of the Kings in the Sacramento area. I really do. I was hoping the team could stay at least one more year so that ICON can sharpen its pencil and provide an acceptable plan for financing a new arena. I don't think the 'remaining' issues regarding the locker rooms and practice facilty will break the deal. I heard there's a sports complex in Anaheim that the team can practice in (Anaheim Sports Complex?) until a new facility can be built. The locker rooms and offices are no big deal, either. No way will the lack of these things, now, prevent a team from coming to Anaheim. With that said, the Maloofs are taking a big risk in moving the team to Anaheim. Bottom line, if the Kings/Royals play good the fans will come. If they play anything like they are playing now forget it. Another thing is that the Lakers will start to decline soon with their aging players so the timing of this move seems to be spot on. A friend of mine commented to me that the Maloofs most likely hired some kind of experts to analyze the idea of staying put in Sacramento with no new arena vs. staying in Sacramento with a new arena vs. moving to Anaheim as a tenant and the Anaheim move proved much more feasible and faster to earn big bucks. Just a thought: I know the Maloofs have been firm about saying they'll never sell the team but can this move be a way to increase the team's value in 5 years or so and ultimately sell to Samueli or someone else?
Saw archived footage on KXTV, and this story has been around since at least April 2009. This deal did take a long time to put together.

This was not done in the last 8 weeks; it has been an ongoing negotiation for 23 months that we can document -- probably longer.

The Maloofs tried to stay, but failed. That's why we are where we are today.
 
#16
Well, it appears that the fat lady is about to sing. Wow. It seems like this whole Anaheim relocation situation didn't take too long to get basically completed (unless secret negotiations/discussions started a long time ago). I really feel bad for the fans of the Kings in the Sacramento area. I really do. I was hoping the team could stay at least one more year so that ICON can sharpen its pencil and provide an acceptable plan for financing a new arena. I don't think the 'remaining' issues regarding the locker rooms and practice facilty will break the deal. I heard there's a sports complex in Anaheim that the team can practice in (Anaheim Sports Complex?) until a new facility can be built. The locker rooms and offices are no big deal, either. No way will the lack of these things, now, prevent a team from coming to Anaheim. With that said, the Maloofs are taking a big risk in moving the team to Anaheim. Bottom line, if the Kings/Royals play good the fans will come. If they play anything like they are playing now forget it. Another thing is that the Lakers will start to decline soon with their aging players so the timing of this move seems to be spot on. A friend of mine commented to me that the Maloofs most likely hired some kind of experts to analyze the idea of staying put in Sacramento with no new arena vs. staying in Sacramento with a new arena vs. moving to Anaheim as a tenant and the Anaheim move proved much more feasible and faster to earn big bucks. Just a thought: I know the Maloofs have been firm about saying they'll never sell the team but can this move be a way to increase the team's value in 5 years or so and ultimately sell to Samueli or someone else?
I'll bet they did. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the cost cutting and lack of free agent signing of the last year or two were done to help pay for this move.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#17
I'll bet they did. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the cost cutting and lack of free agent signing of the last year or two were done to help pay for this move.
Again, a sneaking suspicion based on a lack of understanding of the NBA.

Its called a rebuild. Look it up. Same way EVERY team does it. Even the ones springing instant superstar suprises. Guess what Miami did last year? Cost cutting and lack of free agent signgings. Guess what Boston did a few years back? Cost cutting and lack of free agent signings. Not to mention the dozens of examples of teams doing it the "normal" way, all the way from Cleveland to Orlando, to Portland, to etc., to etc.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#19
This move makes me feel like the maloofs just want to be anywhere but sacramento.
I have swung around to this mind set. This is the Maloofs at the end of their rope with the frustration of dealing with Sacramento. What they don't know and have never had to experience is that dealing with governments of any jurisdiction tends to be this way.
 
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I'll bet they did. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the cost cutting and lack of free agent signing of the last year or two were done to help pay for this move.
I knew somethign was up last year when they came out publically and said they weren't going to file for relocation.. Why would someone do that? It's almost like admitting guilt by professing innocence. I think in that thread last year I was saying something was wrong.. I will have to go back and look but it did seem odd at the time that they were coming out and saying that publically.

Ah hah! found it..

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?34073-Stern-on-rise-guys&highlight=file+relocation

Gave me the "heebie jeebies" for good reason I guess..

Which brings back the whole "Maloofs say they aren't going to file for relocation this year" thing.. I think they won't have to. But coming out and saying something like that publicly just gave me the heebie jeebies.
 
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