ICON Group delays study due to Maloofs

#3
Not too surprised. There isn't much they can do if the spoiled rich boys won't even work with them.
Its disgusting that they're working pro bono and the Maloofs wont even talk to them and give us/ICON Taylor a chance. This is ridiculous IMO. Hopefully someone can talk some sense into these jerks and they reconsider their stupid move to Anaheim.
 

Gary

All-Star
#4
Yah this is turning into the whole "LeBron decision" debacle. If they are just not wanting the arena to be empty for the last games before they leave then they are the greedy SOBs I thought they were. I hope they go broke, and wind up having to sell the team.
 

Spike

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#5
Nowhere does it say "spoiled rich boys won't work with them." ICON is taking the easy way out. "They won't tell us if they're staying, so we won't do any legwork." Bullcrap. If they really want their name on this arena, they'll assume the Kings are staying and create the feasibly study under that assumption. It just goes to show that the city WON'T create an arena without the Kings.
 
#6
Nowhere does it say "spoiled rich boys won't work with them." ICON is taking the easy way out. "They won't tell us if they're staying, so we won't do any legwork." Bullcrap. If they really want their name on this arena, they'll assume the Kings are staying and create the feasibly study under that assumption. It just goes to show that the city WON'T create an arena without the Kings.
Of course it doesn't say that. News 10 can't be that blatantly honest. I can, though.
 
#7
Its disgusting that they're working pro bono and the Maloofs wont even talk to them and give us/ICON Taylor a chance. This is ridiculous IMO. Hopefully someone can talk some sense into these jerks and they reconsider their stupid move to Anaheim.
Yeah my opinion of The Maloofs is lowering by the day. They're handling this all wrong.
 

Gary

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#8
Yeah my opinion of The Maloofs is lowering by the day. They're handling this all wrong.
Seems like they picked up some things from Petrie.. Guaranteed we will hear the "decision" all of a sudden, and it will be after the last home game is played because [sarcasm] they wouldn't want to lose that extra money they would get from those last few games [/sarcasm]
 

Glenn

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#9
I suspect the Maloofs don't know themselves what they are going to do. That's business. If ICON/Taylor can't do an adequate job that covers all possibilities pro bono, then the city should pay them to do a proper job unless the city doesn't think it is worth it. Now ICON/Taylor is backing out or didn't you notice? They are good at the political game and know how to twist their own incompetence to do what was asked into the Maloof's fault.

There are all kinds of ways to spin this. Chose which suits you.
 
#10
Seems like they picked up some things from Petrie.. Guaranteed we will hear the "decision" all of a sudden, and it will be after the last home game is played because [sarcasm] they wouldn't want to lose that extra money they would get from those last few games [/sarcasm]
It sure is looking that way. That's why i say folks should boycott the games. Don't give those scumbag owners anymore of our money. At this point you're only helping pay for them to move to Anaheim!
 

pdxKingsFan

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#11
The city should pick up the tab and make sure this gets done. It will show that the city is serious. Throw in a vote of confidence or some other symbolic measure. Do everything possible to show a commitment to this team and this arena that will make it impossible for the Maloofs to leave without being the heels.
 
#12
I don't know what's so difficult of doing the financial analysis assuming the kings are not involved. To me, this is ICON essentially leaving the door open to pull out of the project if the Kings leave.
 
#13
The city should pick up the tab and make sure this gets done. It will show that the city is serious. Throw in a vote of confidence or some other symbolic measure. Do everything possible to show a commitment to this team and this arena that will make it impossible for the Maloofs to leave without being the heels.
Yeah, that business coalition and the city could pick up the tab for one of the studies, while ICON does the other for free as they initially intended.
 
#14
I suspect the Maloofs don't know themselves what they are going to do. That's business. If ICON/Taylor can't do an adequate job that covers all possibilities pro bono, then the city should pay them to do a proper job unless the city doesn't think it is worth it. Now ICON/Taylor is backing out or didn't you notice? They are good at the political game and know how to twist their own incompetence to do what was asked into the Maloof's fault.

There are all kinds of ways to spin this. Chose which suits you.
I gotta hand it to you, you are one stubborn Maloof lapdog.

I'm worried that you don't understand she DOESN'T LOVE YOU BACK anymore. I hope your transition to this reality is not too hard. It is pretty universally understood that we've been "Dear Johned"... that we've been given the old "it's not you, it's me"... that she's not leaving the toothbrush behind this time. Signs, signs, everywhere are signs...
 
#16
This news isn't at all surprising from any of the sides.

I think that from the Maloof/NBA side, this confirms my assumption that they didn't think that the Taylor/ICON group was going to have much success putting together a proposal which could work. I think if they felt there was a very good chance of something working, they wouldn't have decided to seemingly rush into this Anaheim situation.

From the Taylor/ICON group it makes perfect sense as well. The Maloofs would be major player in any realistic scenerio that they might come up with, and if a new arena isn't going to have a primary tenant, then it makes sense to hold off on putting in the time and money to put together a proposal that isn't going to work for Sacramento.

What I don't get was the video attached to the article where they say that this fell through because the Maloofs wouldn't hand over financial papers.
That isn't correct at all.
Even if the Maloofs gave Taylor/ICONN all of their financial papers, Taylor/ICONN would still be in the same situation of not knowing if the Maloofs would be staying, and therefore having to develop two different proposals. (One with a primary tenant and one with-out).
So the video is certainly mis-leading in trying to link the lack of handing over the financial papers as a reason the Taylor/ICONN group is putting the study on hold.

At the end of the day one thing is now abundantly clear. It's as K.J. indicated earlier in the week: The only way the Maloofs stay is if the Anaheim deal falls through.

Hopefully the fans can come together and put so much overwhelming support for the team, that it makes the Maloofs want more than Anahein can offer to move, and buys the city another year.

One other thought has occurred to me. The City of Sacramento should absolutely pay Taylor/ICONN to put together a feasibility study with the assumption that the Maloofs will be leaving town. They should advertise that they are doing this and they should try and have the study completed before April 14th.
The reason why is simple: I don't think the Maloofs truly believe that the City of Sacramento wants a new arena.
If the City were willing to pay for something which was at first going to be for free, and if Taylor/ICONN was able to put together a study which had options, and if the City saw that there was a way to get the Arena built with-out the Maloofs, then it's possible that the Maloofs might actually stay, because they'd see that Sacramento was truly serious about building an arena.

Lots of long-shots, but if the City isn't even willing to pay Taylor/ICONN to put together a feasibility study, then that's another indication to the Maloofs that the City still isn't ready to take the leap needed to try and get an arena built.
 
#18
The city should pick up the tab and make sure this gets done. It will show that the city is serious. Throw in a vote of confidence or some other symbolic measure. Do everything possible to show a commitment to this team and this arena that will make it impossible for the Maloofs to leave without being the heels.
Exactly. I agree. If the city was THAT serious to want the Kings to stay they can pay ICON for the study. If the city can't pay for a study (guessing $200,000 - $500,000) no way will a $300 million + arena be built.
 
#19
I guess its hard to work on the Arena deal and the Anaheim at the same time, the Maloofs have decided which deal is more important to them.
 

Spike

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#20
I guess its hard to work on the Arena deal and the Anaheim at the same time, the Maloofs have decided which deal is more important to them.
Don't forget - after 14 years of trying to get one done in Sacramento. This ICON issue is the same type of stall-ball that they've had to deal with the whole time, now there are more eyes looking on the situation.
 

Spike

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#21
The reason why is simple: I don't think the Maloofs truly believe that the City of Sacramento wants a new arena.

If the City were willing to pay for something which was at first going to be for free, and if Taylor/ICONN was able to put together a study which had options, and if the City saw that there was a way to get the Arena built with-out the Maloofs, then it's possible that the Maloofs might actually stay, because they'd see that Sacramento was truly serious about building an arena.

Lots of long-shots, but if the City isn't even willing to pay Taylor/ICONN to put together a feasibility study, then that's another indication to the Maloofs that the City still isn't ready to take the leap needed to try and get an arena built.
I endorse this theory. Even with the gun on the table, there is waffling by those who we need to take charge and get something done.
 
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Lafayette

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#22
This all falls on the CITY OF SACRAMENTO and not the Maloofs. The owners are just doing whats best for the Business and Team and not the city because in the end the City doesn't support the team, not the people of Sacramento (even though they don't go to games) but the politicians don't give a BLEEP, so it's over, the ICON group needs a plan and it seems like the Maloofs have given up on the City because after 10 years it just isn't going to happen. Time to move on.
 
#23
Its simply too little too late, and some people are still in denial, but whatever. Do i blame the Maloofs? Naw, but im still pissed at them for leaving. Its mostly the City's fault, but regardless, us fans are the ones paying for it.
 

Glenn

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#24
Hopefully the fans can come together and put so much overwhelming support for the team, that it makes the Maloofs want more than Anahein can offer to move, and buys the city another year.

One other thought has occurred to me. The City of Sacramento should absolutely pay Taylor/ICONN to put together a feasibility study with the assumption that the Maloofs will be leaving town. They should advertise that they are doing this and they should try and have the study completed before April 14th.
The reason why is simple: I don't think the Maloofs truly believe that the City of Sacramento wants a new arena.
If the City were willing to pay for something which was at first going to be for free, and if Taylor/ICONN was able to put together a study which had options, and if the City saw that there was a way to get the Arena built with-out the Maloofs, then it's possible that the Maloofs might actually stay, because they'd see that Sacramento was truly serious about building an arena.

Lots of long-shots, but if the City isn't even willing to pay Taylor/ICONN to put together a feasibility study, then that's another indication to the Maloofs that the City still isn't ready to take the leap needed to try and get an arena built.
Of course I am self centered and tend to think my ieas are good. I wrote a note to KJ, posted it on the forum, and included the link so anyone else could pressure KJ to pay the ICON/Taylor group for at least the half of the feasibility study concerning the building of an arena if the Kings leave. (cough!)

The thread died. Maybe it was a bad idea to ask the mayor to get the city to pay ICON/Taylor. I think not. I DO know that when people are asked to do something instead of *****, something that might actually do something, they don't. Instead the forum is filled with disjointed multiple threads consisting of whining. We are whiners and not doers.

How much time do people spend on this forum and compare it to the amount of time you spend trying to get things done by the city or the Maloofs?
 
#25
Of course I am self centered and tend to think my ieas are good. I wrote a note to KJ, posted it on the forum, and included the link so anyone else could pressure KJ to pay the ICON/Taylor group for at least the half of the feasibility study concerning the building of an arena if the Kings leave. (cough!)

The thread died. Maybe it was a bad idea to ask the mayor to get the city to pay ICON/Taylor. I think not. I DO know that when people are asked to do something instead of *****, something that might actually do something, they don't. Instead the forum is filled with disjointed multiple threads consisting of whining. We are whiners and not doers.

How much time do people spend on this forum and compare it to the amount of time you spend trying to get things done by the city or the Maloofs?
link? I would write to KJ also, and have once already(although not about paying the ICON Taylor group).
 

bajaden

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#26
I'm a little confused. I thought KJ said that the study would go on with or without the Maloofs. If so, then just exactly are the Maloofs needed for. I saw no mention of this having anything to do with the Maloofs handing over documents, or financial statements. It seems to be based purely on whether the Maloofs have decided to stay or not, and just who is paying for their study.

On the surface, since the city is suspossed to be the driving force behind this study, one would assume that they would pay for it. Purely from a business point of view, if you were considering moving your team, why would you fork out money for a study thats not selfserving. The main obsticle seems to be the Maloofs decision, or lack of decision on staying or not. Well I see nothing new on that front. Nothing has changed from a week ago.

We know that the Maloofs are considering a move to SoCal. We know that they asked for an extension on submiting a request to move the team. So we know that they haven't totally made up their minds. We also know that the League has told them not to comment on anything related to moving. We know that there are rumors that Stern and the rest of the league aren't sure that the Kings moving south, is in the best interest of the Kings, or the league. There are also rumors that the Lakers and the Clippers aren't in love with the idea and may try to block the move.

We know that moving won't be cheap, and that the Maloofs aren't as affluent as they once were. Rumor also has it, that they won't have any control over the parking or concessions at the arena. Now rumors are just that, but it appears that there's a lot of things wrong with this deal and that its still very much up in the air. What we could have here is submission by subtraction. Not the perfect conclusion any of us would want, but it would buy time.

I have a question for all of those out there that have conveniently jumped on the hate the Maloofs bandwagon. For a moment, put your hatred aside, and raise your hand, if you think there's a 100% chance, that if the Maloofs totally cooperated, the Taylor groups plan would become a reality. How about a 50% chance? A 20% chance? We have a history here. And its a history of failure. Now failure can be a good thing, if you learn from it. If you don't, you start to sound like the boy that cried wolf. And people stop listening! If your going to be honest, you've got to look at both sides. You've got to understand the other side of the arguement. Compromise is born out of understanding. Emotion has little place in the equation, and in most cases is a detriment. Thats why you don't want me to be the negotiator. I always bring a baseball bat.

I know the Maloofs are convenient whipping boys for those that are frustrated and angry. And they certainly share part of the blame. But so does the city. As they say, its takes two to tango. I don't understand what appears to be extra hate being thrown the Maloofs way over this article. They've done nothing except ask for an extension, hand over some of the requested papers, and kept their mouths shut. This article was generated by the Taylor group, which said it won't continue with the study until it knows the Maloofs decision. Well guess what? Thats not news!!! Wouldn't we all lke to know what their decision is?

Just what if, there's just the smallest, tiniest, wee chance that if they don't know what their decision is, they therefore can't tell you what their decision is. I mean for God's sake, isn't that what this is all about? Them coming to a decision. Conspiricy theories aside, I happen to think its a good thing they haven't made a decision yet. And for those that think the Maloofs are just trying to string along the fans to make a few extra bucks, don't you think they could do a better job of doing it. I could! When asked about moving, I'd say I haven't made up my mind yet. But I love sacramento and the way the fans turned out on monday really had an emotional effect on me. I'm willing to do everything feasible within my power to stay in sacramento. Etc.

If they really were trying to milk the fans for a few extra bucks they wouldn't be doing what they're doing. I believe they asked for the extension because they haven't made up their minds about the deal. Now that may have more to do with the deal itself, than any supossed loyality to sacramento. But I don't care, as long as it eventually gives the Taylor group the time it needs to present a finished proposal. And if that proposal fails, then so be it.
 
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#27
ICON/Taylor was doing the work pro bono to try and keep the Kings in Sac. if the city wants to proceed without the team, then they are going to have to foot the bill for a study. Also, the Maloofs do not have to turn over for free any of the prior studies for which they paid several million dollars. If the city wants them after the Kings leave, they'll have to pay for them.

I just laugh about blaming the Maloofs. Have they taken missteps? Of course. However, for fourteen years, the city has had a chance to get serious about getting an arena in this town. As usual, city leaders have shown they are not leaders with any vision. Am I surprised the city couldn't come up with a serious plan in 14 years? No. Am I surprised the Kings might not trust any proposal to actually become a reality in this city. No. Remember, the Taylor/ICON group is only going to make suggestions for a possible plan. They might even say its not possible.

Even if they come up with possible solutions, that still doesn't even come close to a city commitment to actually be able to get it done. It would still be pie in the sky, until funds from enough sources is committed. The chances of that aren't exactly stellar.

You can also call the Maloofs greedy, but there have been multiple suitors for the Kings, many of whom could already offer a better deal to the franchise. I guess people actually thought they wouldn't leave. Folks, we've been in a bidding war for some years. If one person offered to sell you a $300,000, older house and another person was willing to offer you a much nicer $300,000 house, in a better neighborhood, for $275,000, which would you choose? Would spending $275,000 for that newer, more nicely located house, instead of paying $300,000, would you call that greedy or simply the smart thing to do? Now lets add in the fact that a $300,000 loan really might be too much for your income, but a $250,000 gives you some breathing room. So we're actually blaming the Maloofs for making a smarter business move, instead of giving them the best offer? I don't eve4n think we'd have to give them the best deal. WE just needed to make them a competitive deal, with not having to move a point in our favor.

So go ahead an lay all the blame on the Maloofs, I'm sure it makes it easier to blame "outsiders," than shoulder any of the blame as a city. It just isn't a complete truth.
 

Glenn

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#28
Two more Maloof lapdogs, I see. If you didn't read the note where I was called that THIS IS MEANT TO BE FUNNY! :)

These are two rational notes and two logical notes and a breath of fresh air. Neither are full of answers but both say how it is at the moment. That's all that can be said. The rest is guessing and although the guesses against the Maloofs staying make the most sense with what we know, we don't know anything from the Maloofs. The input is one sided. The Maloofs will be fined by the NBA if they say anything.

Bravo!
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#29
I'm writing another note to leave my simple response to bajaden and kennadog alone.

I think the NBA has a problem and I have said it over and over. If three teams go to one media market, what's to stop an avalanche of teams moving to bigger markets like two more each for Chicago and New York. Three in LA area, four in New York/New Jersey, and three in Chicago. This is NOT Stern's dream. Read about what this man's vision is other than making tons of money. He wants a worldwide NBA influence. He wants every American to experience the NBA.

If the Kings move, it sets a precedent that goes against Stern's dream. Now I know there will be potshots at Stern but he has been on the whole a positive influence on the NBA. He has brought the NBA to all of us although perhaps if the Kings go to Anaheim, his plan may start going in reverse. Although it seems that Stern is disgusted with Sacramento, I think he also has to worry about the bigger picture.
 

Spike

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#30
So go ahead an lay all the blame on the Maloofs, I'm sure it makes it easier to blame "outsiders," than shoulder any of the blame as a city. It just isn't a complete truth.
It's always easier to find fault in others. To accept our imperfections would be against what society has become. It wasn't me; it was someone else.

If the team leaves, it's everyone's fault, and yet, nobody's fault. Not one person was responsible, yet, everyone had a hand in the team leaving, from the people who wouldn't elect councilmembers who had more visionary ideals, all the way up to the owners who didn't give a definitive "if an arena plan is not approved and commenced by this date, we're out". If everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else, well, you get the idea.