Why are the Kings so bad? What happened?

[King Baller]

"Why are the Kings so bad? What happened?"

Do you remember when Chris hurt his Knee and Father Time caught up with Vlade and Doug? That is when the Kings got bad.

Then the Maloofs & Petrie tried to Reload. But in the NBA that does not work for small market teams most of the time. So the big contract players were dumped and the losing began. Right now the Kings are in the midst of a rebuilding process. Only time will tell if it is successful. I do hope Petrie is allowed to stay the course and finish the job. And I hope it happens in Sacto.

KB

 

[Sarunas]

I think people forget, we didn't all of a sudden become horrible this year, we were just as bad last season too, it was just masked by Tyreke's ROY campagin and Kings trade rumors. Pooh, DMC and Dally were really the only meaningful pieces that we acquired over the offseason. The rest of our significant players are the same. Are Pooh, Dally and DMC the type of players that will propel a poor team to being marginally bad, or mediocre (what we were hoping for)? It seems as though they were not despite our hopes.

 

[Arkitect]

I think people forget, we didn't all of a sudden become horrible this year, we were just as bad last season too, it was just masked by Tyreke's ROY campagin and Kings trade rumors. Pooh, DMC and Dally were really the only meaningful pieces that we acquired over the offseason. The rest of our significant players are the same. Are Pooh, Dally and DMC the type of players that will propel a poor team to being marginally bad, or mediocre (what we were hoping for)? It seems as though they were not despite our hopes.

Actually Dally and DMC are exactly the type of players that should make a poor team better. At least they should be. I really do think if Reke was playing better all season/wasn't injured we would have won a heck of a lot more games up to this point. And we have been worse this season than we were last year. At one point we were playing .500 ball last year.

 

[joemama]

The Coach

The kings are about as consistent and Westphal's inconsistent lineups!

 

[ArcoKings]

IMO the Kings are improving though the standings do not show it. The root to the team's issues, really, is lack of money. More money equals better players/veterans. We have some pieces to build a good franchise around and pieces that will be traded eventually to improve the team. The real rebuilding didn't start until a few years ago. The rebuilding could have progressed faster but with financial problems the progression has been slow. The Kings aren't that far away for taking gigantic steps forward. I know that we as fans get impatient and losing totally sucks but we have to be patient. Go Kings!

 

[Lockehead]

I think people forget, we didn't all of a sudden become horrible this year, we were just as bad last season too, it was just masked by Tyreke's ROY campagin and Kings trade rumors. Pooh, DMC and Dally were really the only meaningful pieces that we acquired over the offseason. The rest of our significant players are the same. Are Pooh, Dally and DMC the type of players that will propel a poor team to being marginally bad, or mediocre (what we were hoping for)? It seems as though they were not despite our hopes.

Compared to last year, we're a lot better as a TEAM. Last year it was more of a one man show. This year i think we've taken some good steps towards having everybody play a part in the team on the court. We have a bad record, sure, but i think a big part of that has got to be with the restructuring and settling of the team.

Anyway, at the very least, the wins seems to be coming along more frequently compared to the beginning of the season.

 

[kennadog]

Well I am one of those fans that stick with my chosen team bad or good. I understand Henkel's point, but I think Sacramento's definition of "entertaining" changed with the run of "that" team in the early 2000s. After all, the team wasn't in the playoffs and wasn't very good for years and yet Arco had one of the longest sell-out streaks in league history during that time.

I'm not convinced that ticket price is a huge factor either. Ticket prices dropped 9.9% at Arco this year. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AN5BR20101124

The NBA teams with the biggest declines in average ticket prices were the Detroit Pistons (down 10 percent to $42.76), Sacramento Kings (down 9.9 percent to $51.80), Charlotte Bobcats (down 9.9 percent to $29.96) and the Washington Wizards (down 9.9 percent to $24.52), TMR said.

The league average is down to $48.08. So ticket prices are way down from when we were near the top of the league and also had one of the highest team payrolls in the league. Also, that's an average for the Kings, but price varies depending on the opponent, too. So you can go to games against lesser teams for less money.

Unfortunately the Kings really depend on ticket sdales, becasue Sacramento has almost no coporate base here to provide revenue.

It would seem that people in Sacramento just aren't that interested in having a professional sports team here anymore. Maybe the novelty of that has worn off for a lot of people and they don't want to be patient through the inevitable down times. (Or inevitable unless you are the Lakers.)

The Knicks are very expensive to go see and always have been. Yet they were awful for a very long time.

Who really knows what's up with Sacramento? We may be bad, but I still see hope for the future of this team. Not only are they young, but they are among the least experienced teams. I just hope they'll still be in Sac, when they get good. I don't really want to be in the shoes of the Sonics fans, watching their beloved team being really good elsewhere.

 

[TheWileyVet]

No one else thinks OP is a troll? I mean he has never posted again and is basically encouraging Kings fans to rip on their own team lol

 

[Bricklayer]

No one else thinks OP is a troll? I mean he has never posted again and is basically encouraging Kings fans to rip on their own team lol

Yes, I think there is a good chance he's a troll, bt the conversation has stayed civil so I've been letting it ride.

 

[Bricklayer]

As an aside it is very clearly turning here. In the past 15 games as we started entering the "close but no cigar" era with big games from Reke beginning to pop up and DeMarcus beginning to pump out 20pt games our point differential is down to -3.27 from the season long -5.69 (a little quick math says that if its -3.27 over the last 15 games it must have been an ugly -7.21 over the first 24 games). The -3.27 number would put us right between 18-21 Phoenix and 16-24 Charlotte BTW if we'd been there all season. Which is to say sub .500 teams, but teams still hoping to make a run at the edge of the playoffs. Phoenix is on pace to win 38 games this season, Charlotte 33. All of which means that in the last 15 we've started to play like that 35 win type team so many expected to see this season. Not butt kickers, but we are in almost every game.

 

[TheWileyVet]

Yes, I think there is a good chance he's a troll, bt the conversation has stayed civil so I've been letting it ride.

haha just making sure im not the only one who sees this

 

[deekay2o9]

All I can say is that even though I hate losing, the games have been entertaining. With these guys, you never know when there could be a fourth quarter comeback.

 

[tyrant]

why do we still stink

what is going on here. why are we allowing the owners to put trash on the floor and still sell seats. i used to go to bars 2 or 3 times a week to catch the games because i didnt have league pass. we play a thousand games a year and all of them are just painful to watch. it's to the point where i no longer go out of my way to watch the kings games. even when the games are on national tv i see what else is on first. do we not have the cap space to sign good players? we got rid of webbers contract, bibbys contract and we finally got rid of kenny thomas

 

[rainmaker]

This thread is the same as numerous other threads, all discussing the same thing. Do we really need these threads after every other tough loss?

 

[kennadog]

This thread is the same as numerous other threads, all discussing the same thing. Do we really need these threads after every other tough loss?

Short answer = no.

 

[kingsboi]

Isn't there a thread on this subject already?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

this happens during a rebuild. if it still going on in 2 yrs we're in trouble.

 

[Rug King]

I'm not saying the Kings are a good team but they have been in all of their recent games and though they lost in the end, it wasn't as bad to watch as before. They were there and had a chance to win.
Not like they're getting blown out like earlier in the year.

 

[Spike]

Isn't there a thread on this subject already?

Several.

 

[Glenn]

There are people who do not check in on this forum every hour or even every day. We check in when particularly moved. We don't know what has already been discussed and might seem to be boring to the regulars.

For instence, I am here today to see if anyone had anything kind to say about Dalembert but then that's off subject and disruptive to the clean flow of a thread devoted to whining about someone whining. We're all Kings fans and should rally together in our misery.

 

[FaStRmAn]

2 Word Answer = LOWEST PAYROLL.

I think it is a legit question to ask on a Kings Blog, although there are probably plenty of threads dedicated to this question. I'd think that fans who were astute enough to be posting here would be sharp enough to look here: http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm and other places on the web for the answer. It has been discussed many times. This team has no veteran leadership. There are not a lot of Kings players who have experience playing in the NBA in critical roles. However, this offseason that is going to change that if you believe the owners. According to the Maloofs, they have been saving their cap room just for this season, and they are going to make a big splash in free agency next season. Lets all hope that does happen.

 

[bajaden]

There are people who do not check in on this forum every hour or even every day. We check in when particularly moved. We don't know what has already been discussed and might seem to be boring to the regulars.

For instence, I am here today to see if anyone had anything kind to say about Dalembert but then that's off subject and disruptive to the clean flow of a thread devoted to whining about someone whining. We're all Kings fans and should rally together in our misery.

Sorry, but I have to consider the source.. Who doesn't even seem to know that we play 82 games in a year, not a thousand..I guess it may seem that way if you drink enough..

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

The Maloofs decided to play it cheap and they're getting what they paid for. They took a cut-rate bargain-basement approach and it shows. You surround your two young future stars with players that couldn't start on a good team and it's a recipe for being a bottom dweller. Until The Maloofs loosen up the checkbook and get an all star or two on the roster, the team won't be very good. People can talk about youth, coaching, inexperience, until the cows come home but the bottom line is, they need more talent. I'm talking proven talent, not Thompson, Greene, Casspi "potential" type of talent and not Beno, Garcia, Landry, Dalembert mid-level type of talent. They need some come in and make an impact right away all star caliber of talent.

 

[kingsboi]

The Maloofs decided to play it cheap and they're getting what they paid for. They took a cut-rate bargain-basement approach and it shows. You surround your two young future stars with players that couldn't start on a good team and it's a recipe for being a bottom dweller. Until The Maloofs loosen up the checkbook and get an all star or two on the roster, the team won't be very good. People can talk about youth, coaching, inexperience, until the cows come home but the bottom line is, they need more talent. I'm talking proven talent, not Thompson, Greene, Casspi "potential" type of talent and not Beno, Garcia, Landry, Dalembert mid-level type of talent. They need some come in and make an impact right away all star caliber of talent.

That's what the draft and FA money is for in this summer. Let's hope they spend it "wisely".

 

[Kings Fan Gerard]

The Maloofs decided to play it cheap and they're getting what they paid for. They took a cut-rate bargain-basement approach and it shows. You surround your two young future stars with players that couldn't start on a good team and it's a recipe for being a bottom dweller. Until The Maloofs loosen up the checkbook and get an all star or two on the roster, the team won't be very good. People can talk about youth, coaching, inexperience, until the cows come home but the bottom line is, they need more talent. I'm talking proven talent, not Thompson, Greene, Casspi "potential" type of talent and not Beno, Garcia, Landry, Dalembert mid-level type of talent. They need some come in and make an impact right away all star caliber of talent.

Let's get Melo - and hope he signs an extension. A Trio of Reke, DMC, and Melo would be hard to stop.

 

[Asaf]

Let's get Melo - and hope he signs an extension.

I think Melo just spontaneously burst into uncontrollable laughter and he doesn't even know why...

 

[Alacron]

what is going on here.... do we not have the cap space to sign good players? we got rid of webbers contract, bibbys contract and we finally got rid of kenny thomas

idk, we made an offer to LeBron, somehow he ended up on teh Heat????
~~

 

[Bricklayer]

this is quite similar to the why are we so bad thread, so I'm merging them.


And guys, tone down the complaints. Not because of the board, or being rude or anythign like that. Tone down the complaints because you are going to look very stupid in a relatively short period of time. This team has a ton of talent, cap room, another high pick. All this complaining is going to look really really dumb here sooner rather than later. So tone it down so that you can say you understood what was happening before it happened rather than being on record as not getting it. This team has started playing basketball at about the level of a #8 seed with a severe youth/dumbness handicap. And its doing that without its two young stars being fully online yet. When they do come online, it could actually be dangerous. And all these close losses, dumb mistakes -- this is how people learn most of the time. By screwing up.

 

[rexb_kings]

I think it's the ability of the Kings to turn once tough players to soft ones (ie. Brad Miller, KThomas, S.Dalembert, Landry, Nocioni?etc.) and the lack of Kings to develop talent. I don't know but our players seemed not to develop and bloom into their best potential. It's either they get injured and come back a different player (Cisco, Evans knock on wood) or just didn't get the chance to develop (ie. G.Wallace). I'm pretty sure had we gotten Rondo on draft day and not Douby, Rondo would have been out of the league by now. Landry and Cousins are playing pretty well but i still remember how Landry played back from Houston now i'm afraid he may turn out to be K.Thomas 2.0. Not to mention players that left Kings and have played well afterwards (G.Wallace, KMart).

I understand Kings are in re-build mode and have young players to build around but don't think Kings have that knack to develop them to the best of their potential. Peja i know Kings developed but turned out soft, i still remember Peja vs. Dirk comparison years before as if they were at the same caliber. Dirk is still going and still is a star, Peja now a back-up to Dirk's Mavs team or a filler to injured players.

Kings should try to emulate or learn from Suns or Spurs training coaches. Imagine R.Lopez in Kings he'd be soft as a tissue by now and ridiculed in the boards for sure, in Suns he is a presence and clogs the middle. Blair, Neal, Hill in Kings would be out of the league by now but are solid contributors in Spurs league leading record.

 

[Tetsujin]

Kings should try to emulate or learn from Suns or Spurs training coaches. Imagine R.Lopez in Kings he'd be soft as a tissue by now and ridiculed in the boards for sure, in Suns he is a presence and clogs the middle. Blair, Neal, Hill in Kings would be out of the league by now but are solid contributors in Spurs league leading record.

Have you seen the Suns lately?