Mayor Johnson aims to find Kings new home

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtvVcCKfOLS7eynjTD2raB28vLYF?slug=mc-johnsonkings111010

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Kevin Johnson was 19 years old when the NBA’s Kings moved from Kansas City to his hometown in northern California in 1986. In the quarter-century since, Johnson has gone from star point guard at the University of California to NBA All-Star to mayor of Sacramento. It’s in his current role that Johnson faces one of his most significant challenges yet: The NBA player-turned-politician is charged with ensuring the NBA team doesn’t skip town.



Johnson displayed an innate sense of timing and pace during his 12 seasons as an NBA point guard, and he knows it won’t be too long before the final buzzer sounds on Sacramento’s efforts to find a new home for the Kings.



Kevin Johnson was a three-time All-Star during his 12 seasons in the NBA.
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“At some point, if we can’t build a new entertainment and sports complex, they are going to have to shop elsewhere,” Johnson said.

“I don’t have a gun to my head,” he added, “but the clock is ticking and there is not a whole lot of time on the clock.”
Kings fans are welcomed to Arco Arena this season by giant banners portraying the franchise’s two young stars-in-the-making: second-year guard Tyreke Evans(notes) and rookie center DeMarcus Cousins(notes). Neither player was yet born when Arco opened its doors on Nov. 18, 1988.
Among unrenovated NBA venues, only the Detroit Pistons’ Palace of Auburn Hills is older, and that’s just by two months. Arco is the league’s smallest arena, with a seating capacity of 17,317 and 30 luxury suites. The Kings, however, are far removed from their glory days, when they packed the building every night; last season, they ranked second to last in attendance among the league’s 30 teams. The naming rights of the arena, which sits in the Natomas area between downtown and the airport, also are set to expire in February.
A campaign to build a new $600 million downtown facility – which would have been funded by a quarter-cent sales tax increase over 15 years – was overwhelmingly rejected four years ago. Another plan that would have involved Cal Expo, site of the California State Fair, also has been scrapped.
The Maloof family, which owns the Kings and Arco Arena, has repeatedly said it hopes to keep the franchise in Sacramento and has pledged $300 million of its own money for a new facility. Still, there’s a handful of other cities which could court the Kings, if given the opportunity, including Anaheim, Calif.; Kansas City; Seattle; San Jose, Calif.; and Las Vegas, where the Maloofs own the Palms hotel and casino. NBA commissioner David Stern said last month that the Maloofs have a year to “figure something out” in Sacramento.
“We’re just interested in getting something done,” said Kings owner Gavin Maloof. “We don’t care where it is or how they do it, just that they get something done.”
Johnson is now trying to put together a plan to build an arena in the downtown railyard. The company that recently took over development of the 200-acre site has expressed interest in discussing the issue with Johnson.
“If you look all around the country – whether its basketball, football or baseball – those arenas or stadiums are built in the part of the city with an urban core,” Johnson said. “They have a huge catalytic impact on your downtown area.”
Johnson conceded that “we have a long ways to go” before his plans become a reality.
“It’s a marathon,” he said. “There are going to be 100 twists and turns along the way before we get there. We’re going to figure out a way to get it done. I would link to think that, within the next year, we have a clear path to a new arena – which means at that point it would be three-plus years out.”
Johnson has been a regular at the Kings’ high-profile games since he became mayor; he sat courtside when the Los Angeles Lakers visited last week. If he gets his wish, he’ll someday be able to walk to a Kings game from his downtown office.
“As a kid growing up with no professional team, it was a big deal when the Kings moved from Kansas City and were able to move out to Arco,” Johnson said. “But to be able to be part of a new entertainment and sports complex that’s transformational would be an unbelievable accomplishment because, over the last 10 years, so many people have tried and failed.
“I must say this, though: If we are able to build a new arena, it won’t be in my first term. I’m going to have to be re-elected because it’s going to take four years to do it. If I get it started, I don’t want to just cut the ribbon at the groundbreaking. I wouldn’t have quite as good of seats if that’s the case.”
 
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Quote: "NBA commissioner David Stern said last month that the Maloofs have a year to 'figure something out' in Sacramento."

Well, I guess that means March 2011 filing of an intent to move by Maloof's is less likely than maybe thought a few months ago. But with an NBA lockout looking like distinct possibility the picture gets even more muddied on Kings highly uncertain future in Sac - if that's even possible.
 
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http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/18/3194206/sacramento-mayor-taking-another.html

Sacramento mayor taking another shot at new arena for Kings

Taking an "if at first you don't succeed" approach, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson is relaunching his efforts to get a new Kings arena built downtown.

The mayor is calling on developers once again to come up with proposals to replace aging Arco Arena – or "tweak" plans they previously proposed – and submit them to a task force Johnson is reconvening.

Johnson's task force will meet today, one year after the mayor first commissioned the group to act as community liaison for ideas on how to get an arena built.

That effort led to a contract between the city and a development team proposing a complicated, three-site land deal to build a downtown arena and new State Fair at the Arco site in Natomas. The proposal died this fall when the Cal Expo board declined to move the fair.

Johnson said this week that he will ask the task force to review any proposals submitted by the end of the year. The group will likely conduct a public hearing in late December or early January in which development teams will present their plans, Johnson said.

The mayor said he wants the task force's recommendation to go to the City Council early next year.

"It's ultimately the council and mayor's decision on what ends up happening."

Johnson said he wants a new facility to help keep the Kings in town but also believes the city should have a more modern entertainment venue for concerts and other entertainment events.

The quest to build a new arena in Sacramento has lasted most of this decade and frustrated a succession of local politicians. Kings and National Basketball Association officials have said the team must consider leaving Sacramento at some point if a new arena isn't built.

At least two of the development teams involved in Johnson's first attempt are expected to take another shot.

Developer Gerry Kamilos said he plans to submit a proposal in early January for an arena on the city-owned section of the downtown Sacramento railyard.

Kamilos has declined to describe his proposal, but says it is a modified version of the failed three-site land-swap he proposed last year.

The plan likely would also involve helping Cal Expo design and finance an updated fairgrounds at its current site. State Fair officials have said they are willing to listen to Kamilos' plans, but have not yet decided which direction they will take in refurbishing the fairgrounds.

Kamilos said he still has in his stable three major companies that would bring several hundred million dollars in equity to a potential deal: VisionMaker Worldwide, Macquarie Capital and PCCP.

"We're very much on course to make a submittal to the city," Kamilos said Wednesday.

"The task for the entire community is to create these destination facilities that will allow the region to meet the future – and certainly a new Cal Expo and a new downtown sports and entertainment complex are needed."

Jeff Baize, the CEO of Brookhurst Development and the spokesman of a group behind a plan to build a new facility adjacent to the Arco site in Natomas, said his team would submit its proposal again.

However, Baize said the group is "concerned that it has been preordained that the project will go downtown and any other proposal will not receive adequate review."

In addition to a new arena, the Natomas proposal calls for restaurants, a cinema, housing and a "green tech" research and office park.
 
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Welp, I went to TD Garden last night as I'm in Boston for a few days. It was the first arena I've been to that isn't ARCO and Ho-lee shnit balls does ARCO suck in comparison.
 
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Welp, I went to TD Garden last night as I'm in Boston for a few days. It was the first arena I've been to that isn't ARCO and Ho-lee shnit balls does ARCO suck in comparison.
Oh, I bet. I've only seen the exterior of Boston's arena and it looks fantastic. Still crossing my fingers for something to develop soon. Go Kings!
 
#8
Am I the only one who found absolutely nothing new in today's article? After the exclusive period ended on Oct 25, KJ said he would "reboot" the process. "Reboot" was his word. In this context, I wouldn't have used that word, but we all know what he meant.

So what new information does today's Bee article add to that?

I still think that if they haven't identified a solid funding source, they're just whistling in the dark.
 
#10
Welp, I went to TD Garden last night as I'm in Boston for a few days. It was the first arena I've been to that isn't ARCO and Ho-lee shnit balls does ARCO suck in comparison.
No doubt about it. I went to Orlando's new crib last week so I've now been to every arena in the league. Believe it or not, there are around 10 or so that are even better than Boston's. Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, Denver, LA, Washington and Memphis are a few that come to mind right away.

Now that the IZOD Center in New Jersey is no longer an NBA building, Arco is by far the worst.
 
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http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/19/3197240/2-members-quit-sacramento-arena.html

2 members quit Sacramento arena task force, will submit own plan

By Tony Bizjak
tbizjak@sacbee.com
Published: Friday, Nov. 19, 2010 - 12:00 am | Page 1B

The developer of McClellan Business Park announced Thursday he is resigning from Mayor Kevin Johnson's arena task force to offer his own proposal for a sports and entertainment facility – possibly at the site of the struggling Downtown Plaza.

Larry Kelley is joined by attorney Mike Kvarme, also a resigning member of the mayor's task force, and downtown businessman Ali Mackani in responding to Johnson's renewed call this week for sports arena proposals.

The group is reviving a proposal submitted last year by Mackani, co-owner of Lounge on 20 in midtown.

Kelley, who guided redevelopment of the former McClellan Air Force Base in North Highlands into a business park, said his team considers the downtown railyard a possible site, but is focused initially on K Street, where an arena could act as an anchor attraction for the Downtown Plaza mall owned by Westfield Corp.

"It may be less expensive (than in the railyard) and have more impact on the mall," Kelley said, "but until we have an opportunity to talk to Westfield, you don't know what the cost is."

Westfield officials declined comment.

Kelley said his group would propose a public-private development partnership with the city and possibly the county. He said it's too early to determine how the financing would be handled.

Kelley and Kvarme, an attorney with Weintraub Genshlea Chediak, sat as volunteer members of Mayor Johnson's arena task force late last year and early this year when it sifted through an initial set of arena proposals.

Johnson reconvened that task force Thursday, asking it to solicit new proposals for an arena in the next two months.

The task force, made up of community volunteers, previously endorsed a plan to build an arena in the railyard, but the plan, known as Sacramento Convergence, fell apart when state officials declined to participate. The proponent of that plan, developer Gerry Kamilos, said he intends to submit a modified version to the city by early January.

Another development group said it will resubmit a plan to build a new arena in Natomas, at the site of the current Arco Arena.
 
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when I read these articles, they just feel like last ditch, no substance to them and most importantly when they say they have no financial plan. I lose all hope. How is all this supposed to be approved and in place by the end of the season.
 

Capt. Factorial

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when I read these articles, they just feel like last ditch, no substance to them and most importantly when they say they have no financial plan. I lose all hope. How is all this supposed to be approved and in place by the end of the season.
Don't lose hope until the battle is actually lost. The last thing we need is people giving up on a battle that can still be won, because it makes the odds worse. We'll know in January what the proposals are and see what direction the city thinks is most viable. Until then, keep your chin up!
 

pdxKingsFan

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To be fair they don't say they have no financial plan, they say the details have to be worked out, as in they'll ask for x% public financing but they'll settle for y.

Of course its a pretty horrible time to ask for public money so I don't really have much hope. On the other hand, it is at least somewhat positive that there are at least 3 competing plans instead of putting all the eggs in one basket, certainly that forces the developers to put their best cards out on the table and for the public to get the most return on its investment.
 
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Welp, I went to TD Garden last night as I'm in Boston for a few days. It was the first arena I've been to that isn't ARCO and Ho-lee shnit balls does ARCO suck in comparison.
Yeah. I've been to Staples and to the United Center in Chicago. Arco does look like a barn.....a really dilapidated barn. The cheapest single game ticket price, other than the minimum $10 seats required by the league, is up in the third tier for $50. Talk about nosebleed seats.

You want to be depressed go here and read about Kansas City's wildly successful arena, opened in 2007.

http://www.sprintcenter.com/default.asp?sprintcenter=98&objId=187

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Sprint Center has exceeded both attendance and fiscal projections for the most recently audited fiscal year that ended on July 31, 2010. To date in 2010, Sprint Center has hosted 8 of the top 10 Worldwide tours including Paul McCartney’s Up and Coming Tour, Elton John and Billy Joel: Face to Face, Eric Clapton, Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga and An Evening with James Taylor and Carole King.

Opened on Oct. 10, 2007, Sprint Center’s continued success garnered its third consecutive nomination as ‘Arena of the Year’ from both Pollstar Magazine and the Academy of Country Music. Rankings are based on tickets sold for live entertainment performances between Jan. 1 and Sept. 30, 2010.
Cost = $276 million, its owned by the city and AEG operates it. There was about $6 million put up privately up front. City bonds provided the rest. City raised hotel and rental car taxes to pay bond debt. Although the operational income is higher than expected, that + the taxes donesn't look like it quite meets the annual debt service. They don't have near the number of events per year that Arco does, even omitting NBA games. They want a pro team (NBA or NHL) as an anchor tenant. However, the franchise would want a large chuck of the current revenue.

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/10/sprint_center_financing_explained_kansas_city_missouri.php

Sacramento can't build one lousy arena, ever. Noted that Usher is appearing there soon. He skipped Arco, among others.
 
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Am I the only one who found absolutely nothing new in today's article? After the exclusive period ended on Oct 25, KJ said he would "reboot" the process. "Reboot" was his word. In this context, I wouldn't have used that word, but we all know what he meant.

So what new information does today's Bee article add to that?

I still think that if they haven't identified a solid funding source, they're just whistling in the dark.

This may be one of the few issues on which we agree - LOL.

I thought the same thing. The was no news in this latest news story. This if often the case with the Bee. They just recirculate issues with no news to report.

I have often thought that maybe the paper should come out 2x/week - Sunday morning and Wednesday evening and eliminate the fluff.
 
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Welp, I went to TD Garden last night as I'm in Boston for a few days. It was the first arena I've been to that isn't ARCO and Ho-lee shnit balls does ARCO suck in comparison.
It really is eye opening to see the comparisons to Arco. When I was at the game on Sunday, with a sparce and dead crowd, it made Arco look all the worse. A fired-up crowd is a good way to put make-up on a pig, but without it you just see an ugly pig that should have been turned into sausage about 10 years ago.
 
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To be fair they don't say they have no financial plan, they say the details have to be worked out, as in they'll ask for x% public financing but they'll settle for y.

Of course its a pretty horrible time to ask for public money so I don't really have much hope. On the other hand, it is at least somewhat positive that there are at least 3 competing plans instead of putting all the eggs in one basket, certainly that forces the developers to put their best cards out on the table and for the public to get the most return on its investment.
The last round, they had to submit very draft plans quickly. I think they've had more time and may have better ideas for possible financing this go round. It will be very hard to do this without some financial assistance from the city, although it could include waivers of some city fees. No money provided, just the city giving up some one time revenue.
 
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Yeah. I've been to Staples and to the United Center in Chicago. Arco does look like a barn.....a really dilapidated barn. The cheapest single game ticket price, other than the minimum $10 seats required by the league, is up in the third tier for $50. Talk about nosebleed seats.

You want to be depressed go here and read about Kansas City's wildly successful arena, opened in 2007.

http://www.sprintcenter.com/default.asp?sprintcenter=98&objId=187

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Cost = $276 million, its owned by the city and AEG operates it. There was about $6 million put up privately up front. City bonds provided the rest. City raised hotel and rental car taxes to pay bond debt. Although the operational income is higher than expected, that + the taxes donesn't look like it quite meets the annual debt service. They don't have near the number of events per year that Arco does, even omitting NBA games. They want a pro team (NBA or NHL) as an anchor tenant. However, the franchise would want a large chuck of the current revenue.

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/10/sprint_center_financing_explained_kansas_city_missouri.php

Sacramento can't build one lousy arena, ever. Noted that Usher is appearing there soon. He skipped Arco, among others.
That area has me licking my chops.. Only 276 million in mid 2000s? I thought these arenas were a lot more expensive. That is a very nice place they have there in Kansas City and something similar would look beautiful in Sacramento. K Street might not be such a bad idea considering that Light Rail wouldn't have to be expanded to service the arena. Is the Light Rail expansion out into Natomas a done deal or still proposed?

I feel like a little boy on Christmas looking at that arena....:eek:
 
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One of the "new" ideas -- and by "new", I mean they talked about this about 3 years ago, then quickly dropped it -- is the 7th and K plan. To me, further discussion of this idea seems pointless.

Why do I say that?

Money. As in, as soon as you talk about demolition, which is unbelievably expensive these days, you're handicapping yourself financially. As soon as you talk about adding in the logistics of building in an area near where people work, you're handicapping yourself financially.

In other words, of all the ideas floated so far -- next to the current arena, in the railyards, heck, even Cal Expo -- this would easily be the most expensive option. Aren't they having enough problems raising money already?

This isn't to be minimized, either. I used to think, no big deal -- until I heard how much it would have cost to demolish the Montreal Expos old stadium. If I remember correctly, it was something right around $100M. No, really.

Pick building spec A, and put it either next to the current arena, or at 7th and K. The very same arena at 7th and K would be 1/3 more money. Seriously. We're dealing with an electorate that will probably vote against public funding anyway, so you handicap yourself by 1/3? That just doesn't make any sense.

It'd be slower in coming; it'd cost far more; we already have overcrosses and exits built near the current arena; they already face voter resistance; and now they want to make it more expensive? Yeah... Let me know how that goes, would you?

I think they ought to consider Placer County.
 
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As we’ve been over 1,000 times, Natomas is a mirage. There is nothing out there to give a 3rd party to bridge the substantial gap between the city and the team.

For the reasons, that are well stated above, the “next to the mall plan” is just hot air. To me, it’s Kamillos or bust.

The fact that KJ is pushing the “next/in the mall” plan is a little bit of a red flag to me. The railyards are still just dirt and the mall is racing down the drain. Putting the city’s arena money into the railyard helps both problems. If KJ starts really pushing mall, it would appear he’s conceding that the railyards doesn’t pencil without the value of the Expo land.

But that’s sort of burying the lead. It doesn’t sound like proposals will be in until the end of the year. Even if the council selects a plan in mid-January, that gives the developer about 45 days to get their financing and details together to show both the city council and Maloofs that this is a real plan. Because that’s not really possible:

(1) the city knows the Kings have no intention of filing by 3-1-11, and they are taking the time to make their lost shot meaningful.
(2) they Maloofs have not made their intentions clear to the city, who set up a timeline that might fail to address the urgency of this issue. In which case, this could be a big dog and pony show.

Who knows. This is either great news – at least another season/year to figure it out, or really bad news – ie KJ still really wants it, but everybody knows this is now a big public CYA.
 

bajaden

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That area has me licking my chops.. Only 276 million in mid 2000s? I thought these arenas were a lot more expensive. That is a very nice place they have there in Kansas City and something similar would look beautiful in Sacramento. K Street might not be such a bad idea considering that Light Rail wouldn't have to be expanded to service the arena. Is the Light Rail expansion out into Natomas a done deal or still proposed?

I feel like a little boy on Christmas looking at that arena....:eek:
You have to remember that it costs more to build things in california. Union labor is higher. Building materials are higher. Building restrictions are tougher and therefore more expensive. You can probably build a house in Mississippi for half the price you could build it in california.
 

bajaden

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As we’ve been over 1,000 times, Natomas is a mirage. There is nothing out there to give a 3rd party to bridge the substantial gap between the city and the team.

For the reasons, that are well stated above, the “next to the mall plan” is just hot air. To me, it’s Kamillos or bust.

The fact that KJ is pushing the “next/in the mall” plan is a little bit of a red flag to me. The railyards are still just dirt and the mall is racing down the drain. Putting the city’s arena money into the railyard helps both problems. If KJ starts really pushing mall, it would appear he’s conceding that the railyards doesn’t pencil without the value of the Expo land.

But that’s sort of burying the lead. It doesn’t sound like proposals will be in until the end of the year. Even if the council selects a plan in mid-January, that gives the developer about 45 days to get their financing and details together to show both the city council and Maloofs that this is a real plan. Because that’s not really possible:

(1) the city knows the Kings have no intention of filing by 3-1-11, and they are taking the time to make their lost shot meaningful.
(2) they Maloofs have not made their intentions clear to the city, who set up a timeline that might fail to address the urgency of this issue. In which case, this could be a big dog and pony show.

Who knows. This is either great news – at least another season/year to figure it out, or really bad news – ie KJ still really wants it, but everybody knows this is now a big public CYA.
I'm going to disagree a little bit. I don't think Johnson has to do anything to cover his own a$$. I seriously doubt his reputation is at stake here. If they fail to come up with a proposal that'll work, I don't think anyone can point their finger at KG. He's certainly done everything he can do. Perhaps I'm not as cynical as you are, to the point that I have to constantly read between the lines. Sometimes I think its OK to take people at their word. At least until proven otherwise.
 
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You are right. Anybody that knows what is going on would know that KJ bears no blame, but when a team leaves town and you are the mayor ... you need to make it clear even to the dummies.

If that's the case, you keep throwing up hail mary's. If one lands, GREAT. If not, you can say we fought to the very end. In fact, if the process is still going and the Maloofs file on 3-1-11, the city can play the "we were still working on it card."
 
#25
Also it's not reading between the line to point out that the most recent process doesn't matchup with 3-1-11 at all. That's either a very good thing or not so good.
 

pdxKingsFan

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This isn't to be minimized, either. I used to think, no big deal -- until I heard how much it would have cost to demolish the Montreal Expos old stadium. If I remember correctly, it was something right around $100M. No, really.
Are you sure this doesn't include costs unique to Canada? I ask because there was talk in Portland in demo'ing the old Portland Memorial to build a new AAA baseball park and the numbers being floated around for demo and new build were less than that if I recall right.
 
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I seriously doubt any deal could be done in Placer County. And if Placer County were even thinking they might like to jump in on the action, they would have said something a long time ago. Nary a peep from anywhere outside Sacramento County.

I'm thinking they might consider somewhere besides the Rail Yards, just because of the time factor. Inland Mortgage just took over the property. Meantime all progress has ceased, due to the foreclosure. They may even have issues of unpaid subs, and other parties involved to sort out.

And lets face it. The rail yards are still just trying to get infrastructure in. It may be quite a while before they even have a construction-ready piece of land in place. Other funding (State) is still in limbo, until they have a plan for getting the Rail Yards back on track.

I'd like it to be there, but I think an arena in that vicinity could still work out well. We'll just have to see if anybody can come up with a financing plan that will fly. That's where I think the rub is always going to be. Timing and financing are critical.
 
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wheres that poster from a few weeks ago who works for some TV station who said she heard they were gone from some inside reliable sources. Arco Thunder , come on give us an update
 
#29
wheres that poster from a few weeks ago who works for some TV station who said she heard they were gone from some inside reliable sources. Arco Thunder , come on give us an update
I never said that I work for a specific television station. The only update that you are going to get from me is that I'm going to be working very hard in any and every way possible to keep my Kings right here in Sacramento. This is where they belong. Period.
 
#30
I went back and found the original news story, and the reason "The Big Owe" -- that's what some call it -- is still standing is that the costs to demolish it were actually $500M, not $100M as I originally stated. The deal isn't issues unique to Canada; it's issues unique to this particular stadium.

I bet they'd still be playing in Montreal if they'd used the same architects the SF Giants did. That's a jewel. Growing up a Giants fan, I used to be so jealous of Chavez Ravine; now when I see CR on TV, it looks like a dump. It's nice to have that perspective.

There's a cautionary tale for us here with Montreal, though. Montreal didn't abandon MLB, MLB abandoned Montreal. I still feel bad for those fans. But the Big O was a very poor design. Sometimes thinking out of the box gets you kicked out of the game.

http://www.theconcordian.com/news/charest-says-no-to-big-o-commission-rio-says-great-1.1665377

The $700M quoted there is the high-end estimate. Other news stories have said $500M-$700M.

While it wouldn't cost $500M to demolish what's already at 7th and K, it would probably cost $50M. Again, that's a cost you would not have at other locations. Just the mere act of demolishing 7th and K and then building there would add $100M to the cost of any given arena. Point being: They're already handicapped.

I forgot to say something here: Go Giants! With a pitching staff like that, they should be able to contend for 5+ more years.