Carmello to the Kings?

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It's been a summer of discontent with many members of the 2008 USA Olympic Basketball Team. LeBron left Cleveland, Bosh left Toronto, Boozer left Utah, Paul publicly asked for a trade, then revoked it, and now word has come out that Carmello Anthony is also looking to move on. Sources suggest he is interested in New York, but Rick Buecher reports that possible destinations involve teams committed to winning, with flexibility to improve in place. While the Kings aren't as large a market as Denver, they are in California, and do offer plenty of promise for the future, cap space for flexibility to improve, and a young nucleus of talent that should be enticing for Carmello to play with. Do the Kings have a shot at landing Carmello (either via free agency next season, or mid season trade), and would Carmello be a good addition for this team going forward?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5468878

Offensively, Carmello is a beast on the block at the SF position, and can also light it up from long range. His defense is wanting, but has improved over the last 3 seasons, and his leadership is also improving. Adding a 30ppg scorer to solidify the SF position would go a long way to bolstering the Kings into perennial contender status, but could his addition also be one nut too many?
 
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Geoff

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I'm not seeing it. If you trade for Carmelo, you're going to have to give up Tyreke and/or Cousins along with many others...and I don't think the funds are there to pay him what he'd be expecting.
 
Emma

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Dude's too expensive, to make a play for him in FA would require us to become Miami v2.0 when the angel of death comes calling on Tyreke and Boogie's rookie contracts. We would have to gut the team in two or three years.
 
NME

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With a team built around Tyreke and Cousins, we don't need or necessarily even want 30 ppg from a SF, particularly when its going to be at the expense of filling several other roles. A 15 ppg scorer who plays great defense would solidify the spot just fine.
 
bajaden

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Apparently he's not going to sign an extension. Which means to me that he has visions of playing on a good team in a major market. Yeah I know, were going to be a very attractive team here in the near future, so how could he resist? Well I suspect he can and would, should we actually consumate a trade for him. So he essentially would become a one year rental and then walk. So I just don't see the logic in making a trade, which would certainly be a costly one, for a player who is going to move on to greener pastures. I'll pass!
 
Sac.1989

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NME said:
With a team built around Tyreke and Cousins, we don't need or necessarily even want 30 ppg from a SF, particularly when its going to be at the expense of filling several other roles. A 15 ppg scorer who plays great defense would solidify the spot just fine.
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Exactly and we potentially already have that in Donte and Omri let alone Garcia
 
CruzDude

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He wants to do what happened in Miami. But most he wants to go to the Knicks so his wife LaLa can get on media exposure. For awhile no all-star is coming to Sactown for any reason until the Kings get back into the upper echelon of the top 5 of the NBA. Even then Sactown is the 21st market by size in USA. New York is #1, LA is #2. Figure it out from there. Big ego players will never come to Sactown and don't think JP or the Maloofs would ever want one.
 
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CruzDude said:
He wants to do what happened in Miami. But most he wants to go to the Knicks so his wife LaLa can get on media exposure. For awhile no all-star is coming to Sactown for any reason until the Kings get back into the upper echelon of the top 5 of the NBA. Even then Sactown is the 21st market by size in USA. New York is #1, LA is #2. Figure it out from there.
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Your absolutely correct here.

Big ego players will never come to Sactown and don't think JP or the Maloofs would ever want one.
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Big ego players won't come to Sactown, but I don't see how you could honestly believe that if a "big ego" guy like 'Melo wanted wanted to come to Sacramento, GP or the Maloofs wouldn't want them. They both have proven in the past they aren't afraid of taking a chance on talented guys with egos. What is true is that the sort of big ego guys they have gone after have all been guys that needed a 2nd chance because they wouldn't have wanted to come here otherwise.
 
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Big Cuz 15

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he'd be a cap killer contract if he resigns with us. melo's next contract looks like it'll be in the webber range of 20+ mill per season. he's also used to being the alpha dog on a team. i don't know how much reke could grow if melo came in. reke is our alpha dog with cousins possibly being the 2nd option. all of our other guys are good complimentary to our core. i'd pass on him and try to get another guard that compliments our team.
 
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Carmelo to the Kings is NOT realistic.

However, the Kings facilitating Carmelo elsewhere IS.

Den/Sacto/NYK

Knicks deal: Curry, Randolph, Azubuike, Gallinari, Turiaf, Future 1st and 3 million cash (~24 million out)
Knicks receive: Melo, Smith, Andersen, Da. Jackson (~ 29 million in)

Nuggets deal: Melo, Smith, Afflalo, Andersen (~30.5 million out)
Nuggets receive: Dalembert, Gallinari, Randolph, Azuibuke, NY 1st (~22 million out)

Kings deal: Dalembert, Jackson (~14.5 million out)
Kings receive: Curry, Turiaf, Afflalo, 3 million Cash(~17.2 milllion in - 3 million gained)

Why for the Knicks - They land Carmelo to go with Felton and Amare

Why for the Nuggets - They get good value back for Melo, get out of the luxury tax and gain financial freedom moving forward.

Why for the Kings - The Kings replace Daly's D with the more modest contract of Turiaf over a couple years. This bodes well for their confidence in DMC. Afflalo is a great addition to the backcourt and the price it costs to downgrade from Daly to Curry.

Kings new roster:

C: Cousins, Turiaf, Curry
PF: Landry, Thompson, Whiteside
SF: Greene, Casspi, Wright
SG: Garcia, Afflalo, Sloan
PG: Evans, Beno, Jeter

So by facilitating the deal we don't really lose much, we gain Afflalo and trade out Daly for Turiaf(basically a younger/cheaper version) and it gets us above the min. threshold while paying the same amount of money for our roster overal. Sloan, Wright or Jeter could be waived to save additional cash.
 
matthew76

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Smills91 said:
Carmelo to the Kings is NOT realistic.

However, the Kings facilitating Carmelo elsewhere IS.

Den/Sacto/NYK

Knicks deal: Curry, Randolph, Azubuike, Gallinari, Turiaf, Future 1st and 3 million cash (~24 million out)
Knicks receive: Melo, Smith, Andersen, Da. Jackson (~ 29 million in)

Nuggets deal: Melo, Smith, Afflalo, Andersen (~30.5 million out)
Nuggets receive: Dalembert, Gallinari, Randolph, Azuibuke, NY 1st (~22 million out)

Kings deal: Dalembert, Jackson (~14.5 million out)
Kings receive: Curry, Turiaf, Afflalo, 3 million Cash(~17.2 milllion in - 3 million gained)

Why for the Knicks - They land Carmelo to go with Felton and Amare

Why for the Nuggets - They get good value back for Melo, get out of the luxury tax and gain financial freedom moving forward.

Why for the Kings - The Kings replace Daly's D with the more modest contract of Turiaf over a couple years. This bodes well for their confidence in DMC. Afflalo is a great addition to the backcourt and the price it costs to downgrade from Daly to Curry.

Kings new roster:

C: Cousins, Turiaf, Curry
PF: Landry, Thompson, Whiteside
SF: Greene, Casspi, Wright
SG: Garcia, Afflalo, Sloan
PG: Evans, Beno, Jeter

So by facilitating the deal we don't really lose much, we gain Afflalo and trade out Daly for Turiaf(basically a younger/cheaper version) and it gets us above the min. threshold while paying the same amount of money for our roster overal. Sloan, Wright or Jeter could be waived to save additional cash.
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now i thought the kings could not trade Samuel Dalembert along with someone else. If i remember correctly, dalembert can only be traded by himself. So you'd have to take out Darnell Jackson out of the equation. Most likely we would waive him.
 
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:sigh: You are correct IF it were the season, however, in the off-season it's a 3 month window which has or is just about to pass. Also since the Kings are UNDER the salary cap, many of the restriction on trades, including the one you are referring to to are not relevant to the Kings. Meaning the Knicks can turnaround and package AR, Buike and Turiaf for the same reasons.
 
VF21

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Smills91 said:
Carmelo to the Kings is NOT realistic.

However, the Kings facilitating Carmelo elsewhere IS.

Den/Sacto/NYK

Knicks deal: Curry, Randolph, Azubuike, Gallinari, Turiaf, Future 1st and 3 million cash (~24 million out)
Knicks receive: Melo, Smith, Andersen, Da. Jackson (~ 29 million in)

Nuggets deal: Melo, Smith, Afflalo, Andersen (~30.5 million out)
Nuggets receive: Dalembert, Gallinari, Randolph, Azuibuke, NY 1st (~22 million out)

Kings deal: Dalembert, Jackson (~14.5 million out)
Kings receive: Curry, Turiaf, Afflalo, 3 million Cash(~17.2 milllion in - 3 million gained)

Why for the Knicks - They land Carmelo to go with Felton and Amare

Why for the Nuggets - They get good value back for Melo, get out of the luxury tax and gain financial freedom moving forward.

Why for the Kings - The Kings replace Daly's D with the more modest contract of Turiaf over a couple years. This bodes well for their confidence in DMC. Afflalo is a great addition to the backcourt and the price it costs to downgrade from Daly to Curry.

Kings new roster:

C: Cousins, Turiaf, Curry
PF: Landry, Thompson, Whiteside
SF: Greene, Casspi, Wright
SG: Garcia, Afflalo, Sloan
PG: Evans, Beno, Jeter

So by facilitating the deal we don't really lose much, we gain Afflalo and trade out Daly for Turiaf(basically a younger/cheaper version) and it gets us above the min. threshold while paying the same amount of money for our roster overal. Sloan, Wright or Jeter could be waived to save additional cash.
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I really don't see the benefit of this, other than finding a way to move a lot of players around so Anthony can end up in New York. Thanks but no thanks...
 
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VF21 said:
I really don't see the benefit of this, other than finding a way to move a lot of players around so Anthony can end up in New York. Thanks but no thanks...
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I'm a big Afflalo fan and think Turiaf is essentially a cheaper version of Daly with a high bball IQ. That's why I would do it. The cost is the same to the Kings bottom line.
 
Big Cuz 15

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Smills91 said:
I'm a big Afflalo fan and think Turiaf is essentially a cheaper version of Daly with a high bball IQ. That's why I would do it. The cost is the same to the Kings bottom line.
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alot of shuffling to get afflalo.. isnt he going to be a free agent soon? turiaf 6'7/8 vs sammy 6'11 (known shot blocker). turiaf has years left on his contract vs sammy ender. i see curry as an ender but we are just stocking up on players like turiaf that really we don't have a need or spot for. we're pretty stocked at the C/PF positions.

i have a feeling denver will blow it up soon if they cannot keep melo.
 
Chupacabra

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Do not want. Alot of wheeling and dealing just to get Afflalo as a backup, AND we have to give up Dalembert (shotblocker/rebounder) and replace him with Turiaf ( hes a powerforward, we already have 3.) Yeah, i dont understand an elaborate trade in order to land a bench player.
 
bajaden

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Smills91 said:
Carmelo to the Kings is NOT realistic.

However, the Kings facilitating Carmelo elsewhere IS.

Den/Sacto/NYK

Knicks deal: Curry, Randolph, Azubuike, Gallinari, Turiaf, Future 1st and 3 million cash (~24 million out)
Knicks receive: Melo, Smith, Andersen, Da. Jackson (~ 29 million in)

Nuggets deal: Melo, Smith, Afflalo, Andersen (~30.5 million out)
Nuggets receive: Dalembert, Gallinari, Randolph, Azuibuke, NY 1st (~22 million out)

Kings deal: Dalembert, Jackson (~14.5 million out)
Kings receive: Curry, Turiaf, Afflalo, 3 million Cash(~17.2 milllion in - 3 million gained)

Why for the Knicks - They land Carmelo to go with Felton and Amare

Why for the Nuggets - They get good value back for Melo, get out of the luxury tax and gain financial freedom moving forward.

Why for the Kings - The Kings replace Daly's D with the more modest contract of Turiaf over a couple years. This bodes well for their confidence in DMC. Afflalo is a great addition to the backcourt and the price it costs to downgrade from Daly to Curry.

Kings new roster:

C: Cousins, Turiaf, Curry
PF: Landry, Thompson, Whiteside
SF: Greene, Casspi, Wright
SG: Garcia, Afflalo, Sloan
PG: Evans, Beno, Jeter

So by facilitating the deal we don't really lose much, we gain Afflalo and trade out Daly for Turiaf(basically a younger/cheaper version) and it gets us above the min. threshold while paying the same amount of money for our roster overal. Sloan, Wright or Jeter could be waived to save additional cash.
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I don't see the point of this at all. I don't want Curry, and as much as I like Turiaf, he can't bring the same thing to the table Dalembert can. Shotblocking and rebounding. We have a nice looking team right now. Why in the hell tear it apart before you even see what it can do. If you like Afflalo that much, then figure out a straight deal to get him without giving up important pieces of the team. If you can't do that, then we'll do without him..
 
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I don't see the point of this at all. I don't want Curry, and as much as I like Turiaf, he can't bring the same thing to the table Dalembert can. Shotblocking and rebounding. We have a nice looking team right now. Why in the hell tear it apart before you even see what it can do. If you like Afflalo that much, then figure out a straight deal to get him without giving up important pieces of the team. If you can't do that, then we'll do without him..
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I couldn't agree with you more. Any mention of Curry makes me sick. I don't like any kind of curry anyway. Let's see what a difference Dalembert can make.
Any kind of trade talk now is just something to do during these dog days before the season gets going.
 
Amory

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I honestly really really like Carmelo and have since his rookie season. I wouldn't mind if we picked him up would give up anyone not named Tyreke or Demarcus.

Maybe he wouldn't mind staying for less then the max because we would have such a good team? =D (not likely)
 
captain bill

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Kings have a lot more assets than Cousins and Evans. Just went over to realgm and executed this trade:

Carmelo for Dalembert, Landry, Thompson and Casspi.

Toss in a future 1st and that's a damn good package- two quality vets and two young prospects along with a 1st (which could be anywhere from 10-25, considering how young and depleted the roster would be post-trade).

Granted that leaves our roster, especially our frontcourt, depleted (Cousins/Whiteside frontcourt may be legit 3 years from now but not today).

On the other hand, consider generally that outside of Evans/Cousins we have a load of talent.
-servicable vets on decent contracts: Beno, Garcia, Dalembert, Landry
-young guys with upside: Thompson, Greene, Caspi, Whiteside

It's definitely possible that we could come out with Reke/Melo/DMC and still give Denver a fair value in exchange.
 
bajaden

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captain bill said:
Kings have a lot more assets than Cousins and Evans. Just went over to realgm and executed this trade:

Carmelo for Dalembert, Landry, Thompson and Casspi.

Toss in a future 1st and that's a damn good package- two quality vets and two young prospects along with a 1st (which could be anywhere from 10-25, considering how young and depleted the roster would be post-trade).

Granted that leaves our roster, especially our frontcourt, depleted (Cousins/Whiteside frontcourt may be legit 3 years from now but not today).

On the other hand, consider generally that outside of Evans/Cousins we have a load of talent.
-servicable vets on decent contracts: Beno, Garcia, Dalembert, Landry
-young guys with upside: Thompson, Greene, Caspi, Whiteside

It's definitely possible that we could come out with Reke/Melo/DMC and still give Denver a fair value in exchange.
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So you would give away a starting center, two PF's, one of which is a starter, and a Sf who is a possible starter, plus a 1st round pick for Anthony???? With all due respect, thats just plain nuts. No thanks! Anthony is a very good player and would be a great addition if you have something left to add him to. But he's no superstar in my opinion and certainly not worth giving up half our team for. Would someone please tell me why people undervalue our players and overvalue the other teams players.
 
VF21

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captain bill said:
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Granted that leaves our roster, especially our frontcourt, depleted (Cousins/Whiteside frontcourt may be legit 3 years from now but not today).
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I'm not quite ready to "deplete" our frontcourt, especially since we finally have one you can actually CALL a frontcourt for the first time since Webber, Divac and Pollard were all here.

At some point, I think we need to just go with the kids and see what happens instead of continuing to try and tweak the team, especially if it means getting rid of some of the potential talent Petrie has assembled.
 
captain bill

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That exact package, no. Like I said, I was just checking to see what could be done and making the point that the Kings have assets to get a deal done.

Realistically, I would want to keep Evans, Cousins, Casspi, Dalembert, Thompson, and one of Beno/Garcia. Which means giving up Landry, Greene, Beno/Garcia, and possilby Whiteside. I'd be okay with giving up Thompson/Landry/Greene if it came down to it (I don't think Sammy would get it done in a deal like this, but if we could ship him and keep JT that would be my preference). Depleting the first legit frontcourt we've had in years would hurt, but while all of the guys we have are good, none of them are really irreplaceable except Cousins.

You go after Melo because he's an elite all-star caliber player. One elite level player is always worth more than a stable of role-players, who we can reload with later.
 
matthew76

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how about a dalembert, greene, garcia, and maybe a first round pick? we give them a youngster (greene) expiring in dalembert, and a decent SG/SF in garcia.
 
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