Which of these shooting guards do you choose w/ the 33rd pick and why?

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kingofthejungle

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It's likely that Petrie will go for the best available big with the 5th pick. For the sake of this thread, lets assume this big is Demarcus Cousins. The front court rebuild would appear complete (for now) and Petrie could sit back and watch how these pieces fit.

But what about the Kings' backcourt. They also have the 33rd pick and could use a young shooting guard. Jordan Crawford, Dominique Jones, Terrico White, and Armon Johnson may all be available at 33. Who do you choose and why?

Evans/Udrih
Garcia/(#33)
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman
(Cousins)/Hawes
 
TTown Kings

TTown Kings

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Can someone breakdown Terrico White? I hadn't heard of him, but noticed his combine measurements, specifically his vert. I think it was the highest I saw at 40". Just curious about his actual game.
 
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MoV

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Jordan Crawford.

He's an undersized 2 guard but when if he's playing on the court with Evans, he'll be deadly for sure. Plus he's got mad hops. With Tyreke, any undersized two guard can work

I really like Avery Bradley but no way he drops past top 20. sigh....
 
bajaden

bajaden

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I'm a huge fan of Dominique Jones. He's not quite as athletic as White, but he's more fundamentally sound than both Crawford or white. I think Johnson will go in the first round. In a draft weak in Pt guards he's probably the next best after Wall. Jones can handle the ball. He's a prolific scorer. He's very good at driving to the basket. He's basicly a SG with point guard skills. He's also a good defender.

I wouldn't turn down any of the these guys. I just prefer Jones the most. I wouldn't disregard Greivis Vasquez either. He has a game very similar to Turner's. Of course he's not as good as Turner, but in the second round, he be a good talent. 6'6" with good handles. Good passer. Not the greatest athlete, but the dude can ball. He played the point off and on at Maryland.
 
RampagingMice

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I don't have time to watch much college ball, but when I do it's usually to peep the Zags, and I LOVE the way Matt Bouldin plays the game. He won't be the most talented guy on the board at 33, I'm sure, but I'd still enjoy seeing the Hobbit in Kings purple.
 
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bajaden said:
I'm a huge fan of Dominique Jones. He's not quite as athletic as White, but he's more fundamentally sound than both Crawford or white. I think Johnson will go in the first round. In a draft weak in Pt guards he's probably the next best after Wall. Jones can handle the ball. He's a prolific scorer. He's very good at driving to the basket. He's basicly a SG with point guard skills. He's also a good defender.

I wouldn't turn down any of the these guys. I just prefer Jones the most. I wouldn't disregard Greivis Vasquez either. He has a game very similar to Turner's. Of course he's not as good as Turner, but in the second round, he be a good talent. 6'6" with good handles. Good passer. Not the greatest athlete, but the dude can ball. He played the point off and on at Maryland.
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Very huge fan of Jones, but I doubt he'd slip to the 2nd round--he's really rising upwards. Even if he fell, while he most certainly would be the BPA at #33, do we really want another Tyreke Evans type on our hands? Sure, we'll have a ton of talent, but some redundancy issues--doubt Petrie would draft that way as well.

If you're talking backcourt, I'd try to avoid Armon Johnson, Lance Stephenson and Terrico White for sure. Avery Bradley and Elliott Williams IMO are overhyped in different ways, but given their hoopla if they fall here I'd be hard-pressed to counter against it. Jordan Crawford doesn't appeal to me that much at all.

If Eric Bledsoe slips here, that would be optimal. Willie Warren wouldn't be bad either. To me, reasonable, decent picks at #33 include Manny Harris and Darington Hobson. Mikhail Torrance, Greivis Vasquez and Jeremy Lin are a bit of a stretch here, but I wouldn't complain too much.
 
Anthony1

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The only game of Jordan Crawford that I've seen, was his last college game, in which he looked like a superstar in the making. I don't watch much college basketball at all, but I watched the end of that game, and I was beyond impressed. Crawford has the guts to take any shot at any time. He also seems to be able to create his own shot opportunity with ease. I think his performance at the end of that game was probably his best 15 minutes of basketball ever, so it's hard to get too hyped up about that, because I'm sure it was a pretty rare performance by him, and I wouldn't expect that from him on a regular basis. Although I don't see him as any megastar or anything, I still think he could be an outstanding situational guy. You'd always want him on the floor whenever you had less than 6 seconds on the shot clock.


I still hope we go Gani Lawal at 33 if he's available.
 
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^^^Lawal has interesting enough physical tools, but I sense a lot of Chris Wilcox out of him. I don't think the returns of the investment will be good enough, although if he falls to #33, again, I'd be hard-pressed to counter against it.

Jordan Crawford is laterally quick and conditions himself extremely well, but he's only decent in leaping ability and overall speed, and he's not super long or super strong either. Physically he's just OK for the NBA. Skillwise, it's largely OK as well--he'll play SG as he's got decent rebounding and slightly below average passing ability for the position, but he rarely gets to the line; he's very much a preferred jumpshooter, and while he's very solid here, he doesn't take or make enough here to be considered a specialist. Overall there's not really much intrigue about his game--there's no elite NBA ability, and he is what he is. He can develop his game as a niche in two fronts--as a three point bomber and a defensive specialist, where he shows reasonable promise in both, but it's questionable whether he's really "elite" in either one, with his lack of height and pure shooting ability. A solid pick in the 2nd round, yes, but little upside sort of guy. PROJECTION: 38-50
 
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bajaden said:
I'm a huge fan of Dominique Jones. He's not quite as athletic as White, but he's more fundamentally sound than both Crawford or white. I think Johnson will go in the first round. In a draft weak in Pt guards he's probably the next best after Wall. Jones can handle the ball. He's a prolific scorer. He's very good at driving to the basket. He's basicly a SG with point guard skills. He's also a good defender.

I wouldn't turn down any of the these guys. I just prefer Jones the most. I wouldn't disregard Greivis Vasquez either. He has a game very similar to Turner's. Of course he's not as good as Turner, but in the second round, he be a good talent. 6'6" with good handles. Good passer. Not the greatest athlete, but the dude can ball. He played the point off and on at Maryland.
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I love Jones, reminds me a lot of Rodney Stuckey. Kid is a tank and can get to the rim at will. After a strong first work out though, really doubt he'll even make it to the second round

My main concern with Crawford is his shot selection, there's times where he shot Xavier out of games, if he can play more within the game though he'll be quite productive
 
bajaden

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EHandel said:
I love Jones, reminds me a lot of Rodney Stuckey. Kid is a tank and can get to the rim at will. After a strong first work out though, really doubt he'll even make it to the second round

My main concern with Crawford is his shot selection, there's times where he shot Xavier out of games, if he can play more within the game though he'll be quite productive
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I'm not a big fan of Crawfords. He's a volume shooter. He'll kill the other team when he's on. Watched him play quite a bit. As I said. I wouldn't be upset with him, but he's not my first choice..
 
Anthony1

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Arby's Roast Beef said:
A solid pick in the 2nd round, yes, but little upside sort of guy. PROJECTION: 38-50
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The best thing that Crawford offers, is that he has the ability to get his own shot, pretty much at will. At least in College he did. If that skill translates to the pros, then he will always be a valuable commodity, because you always need a couple of players who can create shots out of nowhere. I think Beno and Reke are the only two guys on our team that can pretty much create their own shot.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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Arby's Roast Beef said:
Very huge fan of Jones, but I doubt he'd slip to the 2nd round--he's really rising upwards. Even if he fell, while he most certainly would be the BPA at #33, do we really want another Tyreke Evans type on our hands? Sure, we'll have a ton of talent, but some redundancy issues--doubt Petrie would draft that way as well.

If you're talking backcourt, I'd try to avoid Armon Johnson, Lance Stephenson and Terrico White for sure. Avery Bradley and Elliott Williams IMO are overhyped in different ways, but given their hoopla if they fall here I'd be hard-pressed to counter against it. Jordan Crawford doesn't appeal to me that much at all.

If Eric Bledsoe slips here, that would be optimal. Willie Warren wouldn't be bad either. To me, reasonable, decent picks at #33 include Manny Harris and Darington Hobson. Mikhail Torrance, Greivis Vasquez and Jeremy Lin are a bit of a stretch here, but I wouldn't complain too much.
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The reason I think Jones would be a good fit, is because of his similar skill set to Tyreke. Jones isn't a ball hog. He played the point, and in many ways he's the opposite of Martin. While Jones is a good scorer, I wouldn't call him a good outside shooter. He's good enough that you have to respect him out there, but he's very good at getting to the basket, and is a good midrange scorer. He's also a good defender. A physical defender, which I like. I also think he has a good basketball IQ.

We could debate endlessly about he might or might not fit next to Tyreke. And either one of us could be right. No was to tell for sure until you try.

Of that last group you mentioned. The guy that would stand out defensively would be Hobson. He's a good athlete, and I think has the potential to be a lock down defender. He's long and lanky with quick hands. His offensive game needs some polish. He's only a decent ballhandler to me. He handles it well on the perimeter, but when he's pressured, or in traffic, he can become turnover prone. His outside shot and midrange game are just OK, but nothing special. But I think he has a lot of upside. As I said he's a good athlete.

I like Vasquez a lot. Not a great athlete, but as I've said before, he plays with a fire in his belly. The dude is more intense than Cisco. And probably more skilled than Cisco was coming into the league.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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I just wanted to add one more thing about Vasquez. Two years ago I wouldn't have given you a plug nickel for him. He was a hothead who played out of control a lot. He took shots he shouldn't have taken and argued with his coach on the bench. Two years later, he's a solid player. A team player. I think he's has first round talent. And if he was a little more athletic and didn't have a checkered past, he might me.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

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I like what I have been hearing about Terrico White, but as far as fitting in with Evans, Im not sure he'd be the best guy. I wish he was a better shooter. I love how athletic he is though. Great numbers at the combine. I would be fine if we drafted him.

I really like Avery Bradley. His stock is on the rise, so I know he'll probly be gone by the second round .. but hes another option if we decide to trade down. Good shooter, awesome defender. Would be a good fit with Evans.

I also like Vasquez, good size for a ball handler to keep that mismatch Reke worked when we put Greene in the game at the 2.


I'd be happy with any of these guys .. and honestly, there are alot of pretty good combo guards to be had in this draft. Combo guards in general are pretty easy to find, which is why Im leaning towards taking a shot at a big man with this pick.

Looking at some Mock Drafts, and looking how far down guys like Pittman, Zoubek, Varnado, and Brackins are projected .. It would be hard for me to pass on one of these guys for another guard when we have guys like Casspi, Garcia, Udrih, Greene, and Nocioni who can fill up the 2/3 spot.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I like what I have been hearing about Terrico White, but as far as fitting in with Evans, Im not sure he'd be the best guy. I wish he was a better shooter. I love how athletic he is though. Great numbers at the combine. I would be fine if we drafted him.

I really like Avery Bradley. His stock is on the rise, so I know he'll probly be gone by the second round .. but hes another option if we decide to trade down. Good shooter, awesome defender. Would be a good fit with Evans.

I also like Vasquez, good size for a ball handler to keep that mismatch Reke worked when we put Greene in the game at the 2.


I'd be happy with any of these guys .. and honestly, there are alot of pretty good combo guards to be had in this draft. Combo guards in general are pretty easy to find, which is why Im leaning towards taking a shot at a big man with this pick.

Looking at some Mock Drafts, and looking how far down guys like Pittman, Zoubek, Varnado, and Brackins are projected .. It would be hard for me to pass on one of these guys for another guard when we have guys like Casspi, Garcia, Udrih, Greene, and Nocioni who can fill up the 2/3 spot.
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When you get into the second round, I think you have to take a look at guys like Jordan and Parakhouski as well. When you consider Parakhouski's skill set, and the fact he's only played basketball for five years, You'd have to say he still has considerable upside. He has a good feel for the game. With Jordan, there's no denying his talent. If someone could light a fire under him you'd have something.
 
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