Draft Combine Measurements !!!!
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We need both actually. Good defensive teams have both. However I would always value the shotblocker over the post defender in the draft. Lean, weak players can add core strength and use to learn leverage and their length. Carlos Boozer stinks against Pau Gasol. Rasheed Wallace has always been skinny and weak, and now he's fat and weak. But he uses his length and feet well and is a great post defender.
Shot-blocking you can't teach.
Shot-blocking you can't teach.
Not gonna argue about Evans... I assume I wouldn't get much argument at all at this point if I were to say he has Wade upside though.
I understand what you're saying about Aldrich and I agree that he needs to be a very good post defender to justify the selection. I think he will be exactly that though and while I'd rather have Turner, Cousins, Wall, or Favors Aldrich is clearly #5 at this point imo. His measurements didn't scare me off in the slightest.
I understand what you're saying about Aldrich and I agree that he needs to be a very good post defender to justify the selection. I think he will be exactly that though and while I'd rather have Turner, Cousins, Wall, or Favors Aldrich is clearly #5 at this point imo. His measurements didn't scare me off in the slightest.
You beat me to it. I know that one time, a long, long, long, long, time ago, Shaq really had his body fat down to an insane %. But for most guys that weigh over 280, 16% isn't that unusual. I mean it could and probably will get better, but its certainly not cause for alarm.
I always get a kick out of when people compare verticals. And they'll compare a player, ususally a guard with a 38' or 40", to a guy like Cousins who may have a 28" vertical ( I just made that up. I don't know the results yet). To that I say, let me hang another 6o or so pounds on the guard and see how high he jumps.
By the way, it looked like Monroe didn't get more than 6" off the ground when I was watching him do the standing vertical. I'm sure it was more than that, but thats how it appeared on Televison. Good thing he's tall with a good wingspan, because he's definitely vertically challenged.
I always get a kick out of when people compare verticals. And they'll compare a player, ususally a guard with a 38' or 40", to a guy like Cousins who may have a 28" vertical ( I just made that up. I don't know the results yet). To that I say, let me hang another 6o or so pounds on the guard and see how high he jumps.
By the way, it looked like Monroe didn't get more than 6" off the ground when I was watching him do the standing vertical. I'm sure it was more than that, but thats how it appeared on Televison. Good thing he's tall with a good wingspan, because he's definitely vertically challenged.
Athletic testings are interesting, but not really that reliable. If they were taken on several spread out days and averaged out, then maybe they'd be worth more, but they still wouldn't be able to tell you how quick they get off the ground.
I'm pretty sure Shaq had a low body fat around 300 lbs, but it went a lot higher when he was 330+.
Honestly, I don't want Cousins at 290-300 lbs. I'd prefer him at 270.
I'm pretty sure Shaq had a low body fat around 300 lbs, but it went a lot higher when he was 330+.
Honestly, I don't want Cousins at 290-300 lbs. I'd prefer him at 270.
You have to remember that its not just how high you go on the tabs. It also has to do with your arm length and standing reach. So if Nate were able to hit all the tabs but the top two, and Wall was able to duplicate that, their vertical wouldn't be the same. Nate is 5'11" and Wall is 6'4". Not to mention that Wall has a pretty good wingspan.
Having said that, I'm sure that Wall has a very good vertical. As did Stanley Robinson.
Having said that, I'm sure that Wall has a very good vertical. As did Stanley Robinson.
My last memories of Whiteside were of the game Marshall played against Tulsa and Jerome Jordan. If you had seen that game you wouldn't be so confident about sticking Whiteside out there against NBA centers. Jordan backed him up in the post at will and scored at will against him. And I'm not that high on Jordan.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a nice piece to have on the bench developing, but I don't know that he would be much of a difference maker right now. Add in that his work ethic has been questioned and that he's not very mature with a low basketball IQ, I'm not sure he's the guy.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a nice piece to have on the bench developing, but I don't know that he would be much of a difference maker right now. Add in that his work ethic has been questioned and that he's not very mature with a low basketball IQ, I'm not sure he's the guy.
eh. Heres my issue:
Your saying Aldrich is too small, standing reach, weight, height ..
Can we agree that Aldrich is a better defender than Cousins?
Cousins measured out better than Aldrich, but Aldrich being the superior defender, and the measurment being close .. are you convinced Cousins is going to be able to defend anyone? They both came out shorter than I would have hoped. 6'11 would have been great, 7' would have been even better.
Cousins defense was suspect before this information, but knowing Aldrich is better on D, and the size being comparable .. I dont know. Im still fairly confident Aldrich is going to be able to play good defense in the NBA. I wasnt sure about Cousins before this, and I think these measurement might hurt him more than they hurt Cole.
The variable here is that Cousins has the offensive game to play power forward if he ends up being a liability on defense.
Your saying Aldrich is too small, standing reach, weight, height ..
Can we agree that Aldrich is a better defender than Cousins?
Cousins measured out better than Aldrich, but Aldrich being the superior defender, and the measurment being close .. are you convinced Cousins is going to be able to defend anyone? They both came out shorter than I would have hoped. 6'11 would have been great, 7' would have been even better.
Cousins defense was suspect before this information, but knowing Aldrich is better on D, and the size being comparable .. I dont know. Im still fairly confident Aldrich is going to be able to play good defense in the NBA. I wasnt sure about Cousins before this, and I think these measurement might hurt him more than they hurt Cole.
The variable here is that Cousins has the offensive game to play power forward if he ends up being a liability on defense.