Carl Landry is proving to be our future star power forward

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K F Jay

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Bosh is considered to be a top PF in the NBA and it seems over half of KingsFans want him on our team so I used his stats to compare with Carl Landry's stats.

Bosh 09-10 16.6 FGA 24.1 PPG .516 FG% 11.2 RPG is having the best season of his career in his contract year
Bosh Last 6 YRS 14.1 FGA 19.6 PPG .487 FG% 9.2 RPG

*FGA = Field Goal Attempts per game. Important in comparing scoring #'s.

Landry 11 GS w/Kings 12 FGA 17.4 PPG .530 FG% 7.0 RPG
Landry 2.5 YRS 1 GS w/Hou 10.7 FGA 12.3 PPG .569 FG% 5.1 RPG

*GS = Games Started. Landry started 1 game in 2.5 years with the Rockets according to NBA.com player stats. Basically his Hou stats are from coming off the bench.

Other stats are a wash between the two except Bosh is a better passer.

Simply if the Kings can get Landry more FGA's he can put up Bosh like scoring numbers. Look at the FG% Landry is a more efficient scorer. I know his rebounding numbers are low but look how much he's improved his rebounding as a starter. If he continues to improve I can see him reaching 8 or 9 RPG. Remember he's only had 12 career starts and 11 of them are with the Kings. I think the more he plays as a starter every aspect of his game will improve. He can defend too what more do you want. I don't understand how a lot of you are saying we need a star PF (Lee, Boozer, Amare, Bosh) when we have a younger still improving player in Landry who is proving to be just as good as any of them.
 
OnYouLikeGlue

OnYouLikeGlue

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K F Jay said:
Bosh is considered to be a top PF in the NBA and it seems over half of KingsFans want him on our team so I used his stats to compare with Carl Landry's stats.

Bosh 09-10 16.6 FGA 24.1 PPG .516 FG% 11.2 RPG is having the best season of his career in his contract year
Bosh Last 6 YRS 14.1 FGA 19.6 PPG .487 FG% 9.2 RPG

*FGA = Field Goal Attempts per game. Important in comparing scoring #'s.

Landry 11 GS w/Kings 12 FGA 17.4 PPG .530 FG% 7.0 RPG
Landry 2.5 YRS 1 GS w/Hou 10.7 FGA 12.3 PPG .569 FG% 5.1 RPG

*GS = Games Started. Landry started 1 game in 2.5 years with the Rockets according to NBA.com player stats. Basically his Hou stats are from coming off the bench.

Other stats are a wash between the two except Bosh is a better passer.

Simply if the Kings can get Landry more FGA's he can put up Bosh like scoring numbers. Look at the FG% Landry is a more efficient scorer. I know his rebounding numbers are low but look how much he's improved his rebounding as a starter. If he continues to improve I can see him reaching 8 or 9 RPG. Remember he's only had 12 career starts and 11 of them are with the Kings. I think the more he plays as a starter every aspect of his game will improve. He can defend too what more do you want. I don't understand how a lot of you are saying we need a star PF (Lee, Boozer, Amare, Bosh) when we have a younger still improving player in Landry who is proving to be just as good as any of them.
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I think Landry can definitely become a Boozer type player.
 
Bricklayer

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Saying Landry is going to be as good as any of them is painful. First it was every Tom, Dick and Kenny Thomas we picked up was going to be as good as Webb. Now every Jason Thompson or Carl Landry is as good as Bosh. No they are not. Nor will they ever be. This is a near HOF level player we are talking about. Our guys...aren't.

Trying to average in Bosh's stats as a 18-19yr old rookie/sophomore is highlyquestionable. The man is the most consistent player in all of basketball. Its 22+ 9-10reb every year.

And as always with all star level players, they are MUCH better than their stats indicate. The gap betweeen an acknowledged star and a lesser player is twice the numbers, because that star is constantly drawing the other team's best defender in his weight class as well as having entire defense deisgned around stopping him. Its a huge burden. Take that off, let them play under the same rules as "the rest", and the dominance would be extreme.

As an aside, Bosh is 6 months YOUNGER than Landry.
 
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Gary

Gary

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Whild Landry meshes well with this Kings team I don't think he is or will be as good as any of the people listed above. But I think we do have a good player who will be effective in a starting or a bench role which is what the Kings need. He is definitely a good player, and you can never have too many of those.
 
DeMoN

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It's going to be interesting. I think we either need to get an elite PF or C if we want to contend for the playoffs. If Landry can morph into one, i'd be happy as hell. If he stays as an above average starter though, we may have a problem. He may demand pretty decent money. I don't see us getting an elite big man to pair with Landry, so either we let him go, try to get for an elite to pair with Thompson and Hawes, or keep him and hope for the best.
 
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Kings Faithful

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Landry would be the perfect man to bring off the bench on our championship contending team in a few years... He could start on a good team, especially if we get a big game center... but I think him coming off the bench behind a star pf would be a great 1-2 punch. Not to mention he seems like he is about winning and doesn't mind coming off the bench.
 
DeMoN

DeMoN

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Kings Faithful said:
Landry would be the perfect man to bring off the bench on our championship contending team in a few years... He could start on a good team, especially if we get a big game center... but I think him coming off the bench behind a star pf would be a great 1-2 punch. Not to mention he seems like he is about winning and doesn't mind coming off the bench.
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It all depends on what hes asking for... i think he wants starting money not bench money.
 
Sparky6string

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I really like Landry- he's got a sweet polished game on the block, he throws it down with regularity, he's tough, clutch and inspired. He's more than good enough to be a starter at PF. We don't need an all-star at every position, we just need quality. Teamwork trumps a team full of superstars that don't play well together.
 
bajaden

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As much as I like Carl Landry, I mean come on. In the first quarter of our game against Toronto landry was having a dickens of the time trying to guard Bosh. No discredit to Landry, but he was giving away 4 or 5 inches. It wasn't until Thompson got matched up against Bosh that Bosh had to start working for his shots. Unless Landry can grow another 4 inches I would say he has little chance of being as good as Bosh.
 
DocHolliday

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bajaden said:
As much as I like Carl Landry, I mean come on. In the first quarter of our game against Toronto landry was having a dickens of the time trying to guard Bosh. No discredit to Landry, but he was giving away 4 or 5 inches. It wasn't until Thompson got matched up against Bosh that Bosh had to start working for his shots. Unless Landry can grow another 4 inches I would say he has little chance of being as good as Bosh.
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Since when did Bosh become 7' 1"? Landry is 6' 9", Bosh is 6' 10"
 
ParniValjak

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Landry is no Bosh but he is a very nice fit for this team. It would have been nice if he were 6'10-7' but he is an effective player.

If you are looking for comparisons, Landry is closer to David West than he is to Chris Bosh. That in itself is not a bad thing. It just means that for it to work, you need a Tyson Chandler type player next to Landry (a legitimate 7' or taller, athletic C who rebounds, plays good D and blocks shots) and Greene to develop into an all-star side kick for Reke.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Saying Landry is going to be as good as any of them is painful. First it was every Tom, Dick and Kenny Thomas we picked up was going to be as good as Webb. Now every Jason Thompson or Carl Landry is as good as Bosh. No they are not. Nor will they ever be. This is a near HOF level player we are talking about. Our guys...aren't.

Trying to average in Bosh's stats as a 18-19yr old rookie/sophomore is highlyquestionable. The man is the most consistent player in all of basketball. Its 22+ 9-10reb every year.

And as always with all star level players, they are MUCH better than their stats indicate. The gap betweeen an acknowledged star and a lesser player is twice the numbers, because that star is constantly drawing the other team's best defender in his weight class as well as having entire defense deisgned around stopping him. Its a huge burden. Take that off, let them play under the same rules as "the rest", and the dominance would be extreme.

As an aside, Bosh is 6 months YOUNGER than Landry.
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DoDiGaG0

DoDiGaG0

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Čarolija said:
Landry is no Bosh but he is a very nice fit for this team. It would have been nice if he were 6'10-7' but he is an effective player.

If you are looking for comparisons, Landry is closer to David West than he is to Chris Bosh. That in itself is not a bad thing. It just means that for it to work, you need a Tyson Chandler type player next to Landry (a legitimate 7' or taller, athletic C who rebounds, plays good D and blocks shots) and Greene to develop into an all-star side kick for Reke.
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id anything..id like Landry to model his game after Horace Grant/Charles Oakley.. he needs to be more physical on the boards..
 
Bricklayer

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Superman said:
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You can pretty much set your watch to his annual production:

05-06 22.5pts (.505 FG% .816 FT%) 9.2reb 2.6ast 0.7stl 1.1blk 2.3TO
06-07 22.6pts (.496 FG% .785 FT%) 10.7rb 2.5ast 0.6stl 1.3blk 2.6TO
07-08 22.3pts (.494 FG% .844 FT%) 8.7reb 2.6ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 2.3TO
08-09 22.7pts (.487 FG% .817 FT%) 10.0rb 2.5ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 2.3TO
09-10 24.1pts (.516 FG% .792 FT%) 11.2rb 2.4ast 0.6stl 1.0blk 2.2TO


A few little shifts in rebounding. Otherwise steady as rain.
 
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Superman

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Bricklayer said:
You can pretty much set your watch to his annual production:

05-06 22.5pts (.505 FG% .816 FT%) 9.2reb 2.6ast 0.7stl 1.1blk 2.3TO
06-07 22.6pts (.496 FG% .785 FT%) 10.7rb 2.5ast 0.6stl 1.3blk 2.6TO
07-08 22.3pts (.494 FG% .844 FT%) 8.7reb 2.6ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 2.3TO
08-09 22.7pts (.487 FG% .817 FT%) 10.0rb 2.5ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 2.3TO
09-10 24.1pts (.516 FG% .792 FT%) 11.2rb 2.4ast 0.6stl 1.0blk 2.2TO


A few little shifts in rebounding. Otherwise steady as rain.
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He's consistent. "The most consistent player in all of basketball"? I'd have to object when you have players just as consistent as he is, but have been so for longer, and have more dynamic numbers, or have consistently improved every season. I guess I'm quibbling, but he's no more consistent than LeBron, Kobe, Nash, Duncan... I was gonna say Dirk, but I think his shooting and rebounding have fallen off.

As an aside, this topic makes me miss Elton Brand.

Edit: The other thing about Bosh, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, but he's having his absolute best year almost across the board this season, in his contract year. I'd prefer to see a player keep that production up after having a payday to dub him the most consistent player in the league.
 
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dbfish

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DoDiGaG0 said:
id anything..id like Landry to model his game after Horace Grant/Charles Oakley.. he needs to be more physical on the boards..
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Landry will never be the defensive player that Horace Grant was. Nor will he ever be a Carlos Boozer. Boozer is a better rebounder. Landry is a fine player, but he just isn't the same type of PF as Grant or Boozer.
 
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Superman

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dbfish said:
Landry will never be the defensive player that Horace Grant was. Nor will he ever be a Carlos Boozer. Boozer is a better rebounder. Landry is a fine player, but he just isn't the same type of PF as Grant or Boozer.
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I think Landry can be as good of a rebounder, but Boozer is a better ball-handler, for sure.
 
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Superman

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I never hated Carlos Boozer for what he did. Kind of cold-blooded, but he wanted to get paid. Sometimes that's the cost of doing business. I actually blame the stupid CBA rule more than I blame him.
 
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Landry's good for the now, but I do have questions for the later. He's very good on the offensive side of the ball but almost equally as poor on the defensive side, which is why his impact is less than his numbers will suggest. He's definitely not a star, a comment that can be validated since he's 26-27, an age when most players have already become stars. Undersized bigs also tend to peak early, and he's again validating that trend. So we have to be careful not to overpay him, that's for sure. His numbers may be tantalizing, but his impact sure isn't.

But stepping away from the doom and gloom, he has injected some much needed toughness into our squad. He's willing to draw contact and dish it, something we haven't had for a while. But in many ways he sort of reminds me of maybe a more agile Corliss Williamson, a well-built, tough, solely offensive guy. For good or for bad.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

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Landry reminds me of David West.

Potential Fringe All-Star/ good offensive power forward. West has better size, and in result maybe a slighty better defender than Landry. Both good players, happy to have him on my team, but he's not Bosh.
 
Gary

Gary

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DocHolliday said:
Since when did Bosh become 7' 1"? Landry is 6' 9", Bosh is 6' 10"
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Bosh is 6'10.25 w/o shoes. Landry is 6'7.75 w/o shoes. While it's not that drastic it is about a 2.5" difference.. Plus Landry's wingspan is much less. Standing reach is something like a half foot favor for Bosh as well.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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DocHolliday said:
Since when did Bosh become 7' 1"? Landry is 6' 9", Bosh is 6' 10"
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He may be 6'9" in shoes, and he may not be. He's only 6'7.75" without shoes. Bosh is suspossed to be 6'11" in shoes. I may have overstated the height difference, but if you watched the game it was clear that Bosh could easily shoot over him.
 
Andre87

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well I really don't see why Landry can not be a star PF in future?!!? May be not the top3 pf in the league but definitely somewhere along the 4th or 5th spots.:) He has all the tools.
As for Bosh he may be one of the best pfs in the league heck maybe even the best one (due to the lack of great big men in the game right now and a lot of aging superstars of the past) but he is FAR FAAR from dominant player. He still lacks size to be a a real force in the post sticks to jumpers because of that (and his jumper is inconsistent) and he is also pretty bad defensively as well
 
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