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First line... Quincy Douby's first year
Second line... Louis William's first year. Going by this, Quincy is going to be as good as lou Williams. We gave up on him too easy.
Moral of the story: Rookie stat comparison is bs, as player trajectory is impossible to predict whatsoever.
05-06PHI 300 4.80.4420.2220.6150.10.50.60.30.20.00.430.431.9
First line... Quincy Douby's first year
Second line... Louis William's first year. Going by this, Quincy is going to be as good as lou Williams. We gave up on him too easy.
Moral of the story: Rookie stat comparison is bs, as player trajectory is impossible to predict whatsoever.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you wanted throw Hawes into a trash can. That just seems to be the attitude of some of the posters. I guess I'm just surprised at how angry some of these people get. I just don't get the name calling. I certainly understand people's frustration. I get frustrated too. But if I got frustrated with someone that worked for me when I had my own business, I didn't go out into the shop and call him a ***** or a wuss. I never thought I had to go punch an employee in the face to get is A** in gear. Thats the kind of crap bully's or children do. Not adults! Of course, I'm not refering to you, but others on this fourm.
Anyway, as far as Hawes conditioning goes, I have no idea what kind of condition he's in. He's certainly in good enough condition to run up and down the floor without getting winded. How hard he worked out during the offseason, I have no answer for. Some people have a difficult time putting on extra muscle. I'm sure that Marcus Camby has been in a weight room or two, but he hardly looks like superman. He is an example though, of a player thats a very effective defender without looking like Dwight Howard.
Which to me means that there's no excuse for Hawes not being at least a decent defender. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to grab at least 8 boards a game. Thompson and Brockman get rebounds because they block out under the basket. If they don't get it, then usually one of their teammates will get it. Hawes seldom blocks out. When he does, wa la, he rebounds better. Its all about effort. When he puts in the effort, he has games like the last one. His problem is that simply doesn't do it every game.
So agree with most of your premise about Hawes. I just don't get angry about it. And if I start to get angry, I just grab a cervesa and go out and watch the seagulls fly over the bay. I wish they would quite crapping on my patio table though.
Anyway, as far as Hawes conditioning goes, I have no idea what kind of condition he's in. He's certainly in good enough condition to run up and down the floor without getting winded. How hard he worked out during the offseason, I have no answer for. Some people have a difficult time putting on extra muscle. I'm sure that Marcus Camby has been in a weight room or two, but he hardly looks like superman. He is an example though, of a player thats a very effective defender without looking like Dwight Howard.
Which to me means that there's no excuse for Hawes not being at least a decent defender. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to grab at least 8 boards a game. Thompson and Brockman get rebounds because they block out under the basket. If they don't get it, then usually one of their teammates will get it. Hawes seldom blocks out. When he does, wa la, he rebounds better. Its all about effort. When he puts in the effort, he has games like the last one. His problem is that simply doesn't do it every game.
So agree with most of your premise about Hawes. I just don't get angry about it. And if I start to get angry, I just grab a cervesa and go out and watch the seagulls fly over the bay. I wish they would quite crapping on my patio table though.
I'd really like to see more improvement from Hawes, but some comments seem to say, as fact, that Hawes is not working out or in the weight room or watching what he's eating or making any effort. Yet there have been articles in the Bee about this. Could he do more? Quite possibly, but since I don't know exactly how much he works out or what he eats, I hesitate to say he does nothing.
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2051843.html 07/14/09 – Voison article
Hawes' comment in pre-season:
Referencing the 2008 summer in the same article (I couldn’t find the original article):
Shapiro also goes food shopping with a lot of these guys, to help them learn what to buy and eat. The Bee reported on one place he takes them - Dream Dinners, near Arco. https://dreamdinners.com/main.php?page=contactus&store_id=108&state=California Looks yummy, but I couldn't afford it very often.
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2051843.html 07/14/09 – Voison article
Hawes' comment in pre-season:
Referencing the 2008 summer in the same article (I couldn’t find the original article):
Shapiro also goes food shopping with a lot of these guys, to help them learn what to buy and eat. The Bee reported on one place he takes them - Dream Dinners, near Arco. https://dreamdinners.com/main.php?page=contactus&store_id=108&state=California Looks yummy, but I couldn't afford it very often.
Don't disagree with much of what you said. I get frustrated too, and yes, of course you have the right to voice your frustration over it. I didn't mean to single you out, but unfortunately for you, you seemed to be the most civil of the protesters. Its not the voicing of opinion that bothers me. Its the tenor of that voicing of opinion. Its really hard to have a civil discussion with someone that wants to punch Hawes in his pimplily face to get his attention. I'm all about discussion, but I'm not into hatred. I reserve hate for people like Hitler and Stalin. Certainly not Spencer Hawes.
So here's my opinion on Hawes. He needs to get his act together. He needs to get stronger. I'm willing to give him the rest of this year and next offseason, and then see how he performs at the beginning of next season. If nothing changes, then we either trade him or we simply let him go. And, if the right deal comes along that makes sense for us before the trade deadline, then we trade him then. So I'm not in love with the guy. I still think he can be an effective center in the league. But its up to him.
. Its not the voicing of opinion that bothers me. Its the tenor of that voicing of opinion. Its really hard to have a civil discussion with someone that wants to punch Hawes in his pimplily face to get his attention. I'm all about discussion, but I'm not into hatred. I reserve hate for people like Hitler and Stalin. Certainly not Spencer Hawes.So here's my opinion on Hawes. He needs to get his act together. He needs to get stronger. I'm willing to give him the rest of this year and next offseason, and then see how he performs at the beginning of next season. If nothing changes, then we either trade him or we simply let him go. And, if the right deal comes along that makes sense for us before the trade deadline, then we trade him then. So I'm not in love with the guy. I still think he can be an effective center in the league. But its up to him.
I'd really like to see more improvement from Hawes, but some comments seem to say, as fact, that Hawes is not working out or in the weight room or watching what he's eating or making any effort. Yet there have been articles in the Bee about this. Could he do more? Quite possibly, but since I don't know exactly how much he works out or what he eats, I hesitate to say he does nothing.
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2051843.html 07/14/09 – Voison article
Hawes' comment in pre-season:
Referencing the 2008 summer in the same article (I couldn’t find the original article):
Shapiro also goes food shopping with a lot of these guys, to help them learn what to buy and eat. The Bee reported on one place he takes them - Dream Dinners, near Arco. https://dreamdinners.com/main.php?page=contactus&store_id=108&state=California Looks yummy, but I couldn't afford it very often.
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2051843.html 07/14/09 – Voison article
Hawes' comment in pre-season:
Referencing the 2008 summer in the same article (I couldn’t find the original article):
Shapiro also goes food shopping with a lot of these guys, to help them learn what to buy and eat. The Bee reported on one place he takes them - Dream Dinners, near Arco. https://dreamdinners.com/main.php?page=contactus&store_id=108&state=California Looks yummy, but I couldn't afford it very often.
Here's two things. If his boydfat was 8% you would see much more definition at least in his arms, the easiest place to have definition.
The only reason you would, is if the muscles were just small (for his frame). If that's the case he needs to put more muscle on.
People talk about Hilton Armstron being twiggy and he's 6' 11" 235lbs. Hawes is an inch or two taller than that and listed at 245lbs. That's pretty much the equivalent. So he IS pretty twiggy.
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1000!!!!!!!! POSTS!!!!!! I DID IT!!!
somehow VF21 and friends haven't kicked me off yet.... wow...
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out players that i loved but drove me crazy.... Webber and his un clutchness in 2002 and post knee... Peja post finals 2002.. during injury prime of his career.... Brad Miller after Vlade Left.... Artest after the last kings playoff appearance... Songala... Salmons once he broke into the starting lineup... Douby?.... Mikki Moore!!!! Jason Hart! Kenny Thomas!!! Ostertag!!! Maurice Taylor!!!! SERGIO!!! AND.....
HAWES!!!!
thanks for making it all possible!!!
somehow VF21 and friends haven't kicked me off yet.... wow...
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out players that i loved but drove me crazy.... Webber and his un clutchness in 2002 and post knee... Peja post finals 2002.. during injury prime of his career.... Brad Miller after Vlade Left.... Artest after the last kings playoff appearance... Songala... Salmons once he broke into the starting lineup... Douby?.... Mikki Moore!!!! Jason Hart! Kenny Thomas!!! Ostertag!!! Maurice Taylor!!!! SERGIO!!! AND.....
HAWES!!!!
thanks for making it all possible!!!
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The OP constantly rips Spencer while totally ignoring anything positive about his game. He does the exact opposite for JT, and when he rarely does acknowledge something negative about his game, he quickly has an excuse for it. There have been breakdowns of their games in long posts on the topic, and he still acts this way, so as long as he continues this, I will act on the opposite side of his spectrum with little purpose other than to crap on his worthless comments.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you wanted throw Hawes into a trash can. That just seems to be the attitude of some of the posters. I guess I'm just surprised at how angry some of these people get. I just don't get the name calling. I certainly understand people's frustration. I get frustrated too. But if I got frustrated with someone that worked for me when I had my own business, I didn't go out into the shop and call him a ***** or a wuss. I never thought I had to go punch an employee in the face to get is A** in gear. Thats the kind of crap bully's or children do. Not adults! Of course, I'm not refering to you, but others on this fourm.
Anyway, as far as Hawes conditioning goes, I have no idea what kind of condition he's in. He's certainly in good enough condition to run up and down the floor without getting winded. How hard he worked out during the offseason, I have no answer for. Some people have a difficult time putting on extra muscle. I'm sure that Marcus Camby has been in a weight room or two, but he hardly looks like superman. He is an example though, of a player thats a very effective defender without looking like Dwight Howard.
Which to me means that there's no excuse for Hawes not being at least a decent defender. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to grab at least 8 boards a game. Thompson and Brockman get rebounds because they block out under the basket. If they don't get it, then usually one of their teammates will get it. Hawes seldom blocks out. When he does, wa la, he rebounds better. Its all about effort. When he puts in the effort, he has games like the last one. His problem is that simply doesn't do it every game.
So agree with most of your premise about Hawes. I just don't get angry about it. And if I start to get angry, I just grab a cervesa and go out and watch the seagulls fly over the bay. I wish they would quite crapping on my patio table though.
Anyway, as far as Hawes conditioning goes, I have no idea what kind of condition he's in. He's certainly in good enough condition to run up and down the floor without getting winded. How hard he worked out during the offseason, I have no answer for. Some people have a difficult time putting on extra muscle. I'm sure that Marcus Camby has been in a weight room or two, but he hardly looks like superman. He is an example though, of a player thats a very effective defender without looking like Dwight Howard.
Which to me means that there's no excuse for Hawes not being at least a decent defender. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to grab at least 8 boards a game. Thompson and Brockman get rebounds because they block out under the basket. If they don't get it, then usually one of their teammates will get it. Hawes seldom blocks out. When he does, wa la, he rebounds better. Its all about effort. When he puts in the effort, he has games like the last one. His problem is that simply doesn't do it every game.
So agree with most of your premise about Hawes. I just don't get angry about it. And if I start to get angry, I just grab a cervesa and go out and watch the seagulls fly over the bay. I wish they would quite crapping on my patio table though.
I think they BOTH deserve criticism. But they are on the Kings for now. So we might as well root for them to get better instead of trashing them and bagging on them. What good does that do?
I'm the first to say that Hawes is a total Wuzz! He has had 3 years to work out and build up some muscle on that waffle thin frame. He just HASN'T, and I think that is what makes people so angry about him! I hope he does finally get it together and work out and succeed with the Kings.
JT I just dont know. He was getting better. Then he just suddenly wasnt. That is more puzzling than Hawes. At least we expect Hawes to play badly. JT was expected to improve. There was expectations that have kind of disintegrated. For a moment, we thought he might make the sophomore team. But he just fell off the map basketball wise and he hasn't overcome the "FUNK" he says he is in.
I truly hope that JT, Hawes, and K-Mart are able to turn it around and play like we all know they CAN play. There is that HOPE that we keep having that keeps us coming back for more. The HOPE that Hawes gets tough, the HOPE that JT is able to put his game back together, and that K-Mart, a legendary scorer who has put the ball in the basket for his entire career can overcome the FUNK that he is in. I hope that TONIGHT is the NIGHT that K-Mart breaks out and has a decent game!!
I'm the first to say that Hawes is a total Wuzz! He has had 3 years to work out and build up some muscle on that waffle thin frame. He just HASN'T, and I think that is what makes people so angry about him! I hope he does finally get it together and work out and succeed with the Kings.
JT I just dont know. He was getting better. Then he just suddenly wasnt. That is more puzzling than Hawes. At least we expect Hawes to play badly. JT was expected to improve. There was expectations that have kind of disintegrated. For a moment, we thought he might make the sophomore team. But he just fell off the map basketball wise and he hasn't overcome the "FUNK" he says he is in.
I truly hope that JT, Hawes, and K-Mart are able to turn it around and play like we all know they CAN play. There is that HOPE that we keep having that keeps us coming back for more. The HOPE that Hawes gets tough, the HOPE that JT is able to put his game back together, and that K-Mart, a legendary scorer who has put the ball in the basket for his entire career can overcome the FUNK that he is in. I hope that TONIGHT is the NIGHT that K-Mart breaks out and has a decent game!!
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I just don't understand why Petrie would draft a guy comparable to Brad Miller in terms of 'soggy waffles' lol. It seems like Hawes is definately NBA worthy, and hopefully will become good, but I wish that we had a center that people were kind of afraid of. A center that intimidates other NBA players. If we had a center like that, our team's image would really change. Plus, Shaq might not call us the 'Sacramento Queens' anymore. Ouch.
Ouch.
