Kings 2009-2010 NBA Draft:
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I'm not ready to pass judgement on him just yet. He's come a long way from the first time I saw him. No doubt he has things that need improving, but he has some things going for him as well. By the way, Perkins wasn't gods gift to the NBA when he came into the league. Its amazing how much better you get when you play next to Garnett and company.
Remember, Pittman outplayed Lawal and Favors in their one meeting. Yeah, I know, one game does not a career make, but you have to take it into account. By the same token, one of the reasons I'm interested in Parakhouski is because he flat dominated Aldrich in their meeting. So far, Pittman has risen to the occasion everytime he's been in a big game. Anyway, its still early. Well see how it shakes out.
Remember, Pittman outplayed Lawal and Favors in their one meeting. Yeah, I know, one game does not a career make, but you have to take it into account. By the same token, one of the reasons I'm interested in Parakhouski is because he flat dominated Aldrich in their meeting. So far, Pittman has risen to the occasion everytime he's been in a big game. Anyway, its still early. Well see how it shakes out.
My bad, I watch so many games they all blend together. Your right it was UNC and Ed Davis. Regardless he played very well against them. But I'm looking forward to the time he does play against Georgia Tech.
Look, I know he's not in shape to play in the NBA right now. Maybe he'll never be, but unless he has some sort of medical problem I don't know about, there's no reason to believe he can't get into that kind of shape. He seems dedicated enough, and his current weight and body fat content certainly would lend one to believe he'll be OK.
But since you bring it up. I'm not sure he would be the type of player that would fit well with the current makeup of the Kings. I think a player that that runs the floor well and that plays good defense is what they need. I'm not quite sure who that is yet, but I think Udoh is one that falls into the catagory.
I don't know about that. Ideally, yes, it would be nice to have a guy who could really run. But if this team is built around Tyreke, he can play slow down or speed up, and really the speed (end line to end line) of the center is probably the least important factor in assessing performance. Pittman is a force in the middle. It's that simple. Just like Tyreke was. In a way, just like Brockman is, except he's bigger. If you have Pittman and Tyreke in there you have a bruising team. Then you have Brockman as a sub and Greene for his athletic defensiveness and Casspi for his scrap and now you're talking. Teams wouldn't want to play those guys. If I was confident that Pittman wasn't going to eat the training table I'd take him over Alabi.
Right now I would take him over Alabi too. Alabi is too easy to push around in the post to suit me. Plus, so far he doesn't appear to be a very good rebounder. Pittman is a good rebounder and no one is going to push him around. Actually his end to end speed running the floor isn't that bad. Its the amout of times he's able to do it without being winded thats the problem. At least right now.
Just thought I'd let everyone know / remind them that tonight on ESPN2 at 9ET ( sorry =] ) Balyor is going to play Kansas. Udoh vs. Aldrich .. not sure how much time they'll spend matched up against one another, but one of these guys could absolutely be in a Kings Uniform next season. And it might be one of the last times we'll see Udoh, cause Baylor isnt on TV that often.
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The more I watch the bigs in this class, the more I get scared away from them.
Udoh, Alabi, and Davis are very thin. I can easily see them being busts in the NBA. Not saying they will be, but I see that as a pretty good possibility. I like Udoh and Alabi better than Davis, but I still dont love any of these guys. And I would be nervous with any of them on my team.
Aldrich is moving up my personal board, because hes a big dude. Kind of has a Marc Gasol body type, but more athletic. Hes thick. I dont know how his defense will translate into the NBA. Seems like the kind of guy that will be a good positional defender. Not a big shot blocker, but a guy who can keep players out of the paint. His offense is OK. It looks like he has decent hands and touch .. his offense is good enough for me if his defense will translate.
Pittman is another player that I think has a better shot at ' making it ' then Udoh, Davis, or Alabi. Hes a big guy, like Aldrich, but he's a tad shorter. Of course he has the weight issue thing. I personally dont think it will be a big deal, but you can never be sure. Im not sure how good he can be though. Probly has the least amount of potential, but the best chance at being a solid pro.
Then there is the guy Ive been reading about a lot lately, and Im almost falling for him. Hassan Whiteside. The problem is I cant watch him play. Never seen him before. I guess I'd put him in the Udoh/Davis/Alabi group with better numbers. He's atheltic like those guys, he's a good rebounder, decent offensive stats, and gets 5.4 blocks a game. I understand these stats have a lot to do with his competition. At Marshall he isnt going to be playing the same talent these other guys do, but against West Virginia he had 18 points, 6 rebounds and 2 blocks. So I dont know. I like him because I havent seen him. Kind of like Jennings last year. I liked him because the Point Guards I was watching werent doing it for me, so naturally I liked a guy that I couldnt pick out the flaws for.
Udoh, Alabi, and Davis are very thin. I can easily see them being busts in the NBA. Not saying they will be, but I see that as a pretty good possibility. I like Udoh and Alabi better than Davis, but I still dont love any of these guys. And I would be nervous with any of them on my team.
Aldrich is moving up my personal board, because hes a big dude. Kind of has a Marc Gasol body type, but more athletic. Hes thick. I dont know how his defense will translate into the NBA. Seems like the kind of guy that will be a good positional defender. Not a big shot blocker, but a guy who can keep players out of the paint. His offense is OK. It looks like he has decent hands and touch .. his offense is good enough for me if his defense will translate.
Pittman is another player that I think has a better shot at ' making it ' then Udoh, Davis, or Alabi. Hes a big guy, like Aldrich, but he's a tad shorter. Of course he has the weight issue thing. I personally dont think it will be a big deal, but you can never be sure. Im not sure how good he can be though. Probly has the least amount of potential, but the best chance at being a solid pro.
Then there is the guy Ive been reading about a lot lately, and Im almost falling for him. Hassan Whiteside. The problem is I cant watch him play. Never seen him before. I guess I'd put him in the Udoh/Davis/Alabi group with better numbers. He's atheltic like those guys, he's a good rebounder, decent offensive stats, and gets 5.4 blocks a game. I understand these stats have a lot to do with his competition. At Marshall he isnt going to be playing the same talent these other guys do, but against West Virginia he had 18 points, 6 rebounds and 2 blocks. So I dont know. I like him because I havent seen him. Kind of like Jennings last year. I liked him because the Point Guards I was watching werent doing it for me, so naturally I liked a guy that I couldnt pick out the flaws for.
? Have you watched him? D is the main thing he has going for him. Give him 36 min and he will give you 2bpg and alter another 4-5 every game then turn around and rebound the ball. I don't think he will do much on the other end but he will set mean screens and then slide to the basket to fight for rebound. Kings' young group doesn't need more from him anyway.
Obviously I've seen him play. I know he can block shots in college, I was talking about how I think that part of his game might translate into the NBA. Look at the guys who average 2 blocks per game in the NBA right now.
Dwight Howard
Samual Dalembert
Josh Smith
Brendan Heywood
Kendrick Perkins
Andrew Bogut
Brook Lopez
Marcus Camby (1.98 per game - i'll call it 2 )
All of these guys, aside from maybe Bogut, are better athletes than Aldrich. Talking in absolutes is dangerous. And you do it a lot. Looking even further down the list of top NBA shot blockers you see even more super athletes/big wingspan players. There is the occasional traditional big guy like Cole, and if he turns into a guy that blocks 2 shots a game then great. Im not saying its impossible, but I dont think its as likely as you do. I think his biggest strength on defense is his strength. Hes a powerful player with a lot of bulk on him. He can keep guys out of the paint that way.
Aldrich have comparable mobility to Lopez and Perkins, Perk may be stronger than Cole though. Ok, maybe he will average 1,8bpg but the fact is he's not hunting for blocks he plays positional defense, contest and alters a lot of shots. I remember watching Memphis' game and announcers from opposing team were joking that if you want a rebound just follow Thabeet and when he flies to block a shot you just collect missed attempt for an easy put-back. Aldrich doesn't fly but he contests and then rebound the miss. I would always take poor man's Mutombo over Ratliff.
Since you are studying all the available big men in the draft..
What do you guys think of the possibility of drafting Donatas Motiejunas?
Is he on your radar? And should he be (on the Kings radar)?
7-footer with high ceiling and perimeter skills. Is compared to Andrea Bargnani of the Raptors. Can be a scoring threat and stretch the floor which might work out well in combination with Evans: i.e. open lane.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/donatas-motiejunas
He's being mocked pretty high on average, could be a top 10-er. Or even higher. Don't know about his agenda, if he wants to come over next year already. He turns 20 in september '10.
What do you guys think of the possibility of drafting Donatas Motiejunas?
Is he on your radar? And should he be (on the Kings radar)?
7-footer with high ceiling and perimeter skills. Is compared to Andrea Bargnani of the Raptors. Can be a scoring threat and stretch the floor which might work out well in combination with Evans: i.e. open lane.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/donatas-motiejunas
He's being mocked pretty high on average, could be a top 10-er. Or even higher. Don't know about his agenda, if he wants to come over next year already. He turns 20 in september '10.
Sorry I'm late to the party, but I've been without power for three days. I was starting to build an ark just in case. Anyway, I agree with you on Aldrich. I also think he's more athletic than some are giving him credit for. However, I seriously doubt he'll be there when we pick. I'm not sold on Alabi. I think he could become a shotblocking specialist, but I don't see him keeping anyone out of the paint. Udoh I can see possibly become a presence in the post. As you said he has a big frame that could hold another 25 to 30 pounds easily and he still wouldn't look totally filled out.
A guy I'm sort of intrigued by is Omar Samhan from St. Marys. I've only been able to catch him one and a half times so far. The one full game I watched he played very well, and he plays in a pretty good conference. Some would argue that its better than the pac 10 this year. He's got the size at 6'11" and 265. I'm curious what your opinion is and if you've been able to catch him more than I have?
A guy I'm sort of intrigued by is Omar Samhan from St. Marys. I've only been able to catch him one and a half times so far. The one full game I watched he played very well, and he plays in a pretty good conference. Some would argue that its better than the pac 10 this year. He's got the size at 6'11" and 265. I'm curious what your opinion is and if you've been able to catch him more than I have?
My brother is a st marys grad so I've seen him a bunch over his career. He's done a lot to get in better shape and he's decently skilled. That being said he lacks NBA speed, quickness and athleticism. Think John Bryant but slightly more mobile. I could see him getting summer camp looks but don't think he'll have an NBA career.
The problem with the european players is that its hard to comment on them. No real venue to see them play on a regular basis and if you do catch a game on NBA TV, you have no way of knowing how good the competition is. On paper he looks like a good prospect. But he's another of those thin tall european centers that you just never know about for sure until you get him over here. And they usually take a while to adapt to the NBA. Hey, he could be the next Dirk, or he could be the next Darko.
He'll probably get picked before we pick anyway, so I'm not going to worry too much about him.
He'll probably get picked before we pick anyway, so I'm not going to worry too much about him.
To be honest with you I've only seen him play once this year, and it was a disappointing game. But he's only one of many guys that are in that 6'10" to 7 foot range with long arms that are skinny but good shotblockers. I watched Udoh again today and he had 7 blocks in the game against UMASS. I think he had something like 17 points and 7 or 8 boards. I would take him over Sanders right now just because of his frame and wide shoulders.
However having only seen Sanders the one time I'm not passing judgement on him just yet. By the way Parakhouski had 11 boards in the first half. Someone said on one of the threads that if Brockman was three inches taller he would be perfect. Well Parakhouski kind of reminds me of Brockman in a way. Great rebounder in a crowd. Offensive game needs work. Lateral movement pretty good for a big guy.
However having only seen Sanders the one time I'm not passing judgement on him just yet. By the way Parakhouski had 11 boards in the first half. Someone said on one of the threads that if Brockman was three inches taller he would be perfect. Well Parakhouski kind of reminds me of Brockman in a way. Great rebounder in a crowd. Offensive game needs work. Lateral movement pretty good for a big guy.
Motiejunas is probably not ready for the NBA yet, he's not really playing for a big team and he's not getting a lot of PT. I wouldn't assume he's definitely going to be in the draft this year and I also wouldn't assume that if he does he's going to get taken really high. He'd be a project, but he has a chance to be Gasol like.