Grades v. Wizards 1/16/09

Okay, predict how the remainder of this trip is going to go:

  • 3-0 we figure it out and bounceback big

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • 2-1 beat Charlotte and surprise one of the elite teams

    Votes: 6 8.8%
  • 1-2 we'll have it figured out one night, struggle the rest

    Votes: 23 33.8%
  • 0-3 its going to take time

    Votes: 12 17.6%
  • Pain, just pain

    Votes: 26 38.2%

  • Total voters
    68
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Well, we got back Kevin's scoring this road trip, but lost everybody else.

Some stats:

Record with Kevin this year: 1-6
PPG with Kevin this year: 97.3ppg (104ppg without)
Philly Opp Pts this season: 101.2 (we scored 86)
Washington Opp Pts this season: 103.6 (we score 86)

We have got to figure out how to play with him if he's going to be around.


Casspi ( D+ ) -- still AWOL as we basically played this one 2 on 5 and could not find that third scorer. Poked away a ball that created a steal for us in the early going, but in general was having problems with Butler early and was soon replaced by Donte. Missed a corner three to start the 2nd. Got out on the break for a dunk, added a steal in the mid-quarter, but airballed another three as his shot was nowhere to be found. Lost his starting spot in the third, and was not even the first SF off the bench when donte got in foul toruble (that was Udoka). After finally returning began to help a little with some boardwork, but other than a side pop in the early 4th remained punchless on his way to a 6pt 6reb on 3-9 shooting night.

Thompson ( D+ ) -- well so much for the big game in Philly breaking him out of his slump. Turned out to be a 1 game friend and family bump. Missed his first jumper, then hit 1 of 2 FTs as he was at least involved early. Blew a dunk in the early 2nd, but came back with a block to start a break. Traveled in the third after passing on a jumper, but struggled to life thereafter, getting on the glass, finally getting a jumper to fall for his only shot, and at least making a contribution. Disappeared, literally, for the 4th, as Westphal finally got tired of waiting for him, and just threw Brockman in instead to keep it simple (helps too of course that Peaches does not need the ball to score). Finshed with an uninvolved 1-5 shooting, 7pt 6reb night that basically was not starting PF quality.

Hawes ( C ) -- well the one guy who has seemed to benefit from the Reke/Kevin pairing so far has been Spencer, if you take benefit to mean gets to throw up a lot more soft fluttery shots than he did before. Started off well, getting an alley oop on the break via Reke, got his hands on several inside power moves by Haywood. but no boards and overpowered to need those blocks. In the second came up with a nice under hook, but then followed with back to back weak attempts. Picked up an offensive foul to cost us a possession just before half. In the third Passed on an interior attempt to drop an ill advised pass to Reke in abad spot. Next time down shot the hook instead. Made several good pases moving the ball around. Hit a corner three in the mid 4th to make it a 1pt game. But then followed on the next possession with an ill advised heat check three that of course bricked. Added a bad drive and turnover at the 2:20 mark. Shot 5-13 on the night, which somehow seems about right for Spencer. Added 5 TOs. But at least was aggressive out there on a night when so many of our guys seemed confused and knocked into passivity.

Martin ( B- ) -- so the man at the heart of the firestorm until a late disappearing act again looked suspiciously like innocuous little Kevin Martin (actually the disappearing act looked familiar too). Hit an early three, then missed his next two, tried to draw a foul that the refs did not go for, but picked up the carom and knocked in the baseline jumper. Picked up his game and aggressiveness once Reke left near the end of the first, doing the draw the foul thing as soon as Reke came out. Got unnecessarily fouled (dumb play by the Wizars) with a few seconds to go in the first and knocked down both FTs to put us up 1 at the end of 1. Started the 2nd with a quick drive, but got the but shot blocked by McGee (and BTW, after this performance I am a beleiver and on the get McGee bandwagon). Hit a three when the Wizards got silly and left him open in the corner in their zone defense, but then came back and airballed one. Nice kickout to Greene for a three just before half, but also had back to back threes dropped in his face by Stevensen. Back to back quick shots to open the third, one a hit, one a miss. Forced an off balance three. Hit a three but then missed a shot on a play out of the timeout. Silly Washington foul sent him to the line at the end of the 3rd. Missed 2 big jumpers down the stretch, and missed the corner three we had to have at the 1 minute mark as well. Added a late turnover. Kevin has disappeared late in games before, but this was also the 2nd of a back to back during his first two games back. Shooting never did quite nudge up over .500, and the late fade dropped it to a perhaps uglier than it really was 6-17. Rest of the game again looked like Kevin. Did drop in 4 assists, but given the complete disappearance of most of our contributors from the last couple of months it wasn't nearly enough to keep us from our back to back lowest point totals of the season.

Evans ( B ) -- okay, let's start this off with this -- Reke collected 21pts 6rebs and 7ast tonight on 9-19 shooting. This "let's claim that Tyreke had a bad game tongiht to take the heat off of Kevin" line is complete B.S. But that said, it wasn't a GREAT game, and obviously not a great enough game. What it may have shown is that Tyreke at least may be able to take care of himself now even with Kevin back. Whether he can simultaneously take care of the rest of the team while doing so is an open question. Started 0-2 again, but then settled and exploded to the hoop for three straight moves to the hoop, including one with a beautiful fullspeed behind the back dribble. Then dropped in the jumper, which for a while looked good, but which would becoem a bit of a problme late. Back in to start the 2nd and missed a layup when he hesitaed in the face of the shotblocker McGee, had a ball poked away from behind by Boynkins, and really did not dominate that matchup the way you would think he would when it was out there (Booynkins was largely shadowing Beano's minutes thoguh to avoid it). Steal and setup of Keivin for teh layup in the mid 2nd. And overall did a nice job of setting people up in the first half, finishing with 6 assists. Drive into traffic, got it swatted and fell down but had the rebound come right back into his chest on the ground, form where he passed it over to Hawes, who promptly blew the layup. Nice alley oop pass to Greene in the final minute of the half. Knocked down a standstill three in the early 3rd. Berautiful take and drop off pass to JT that did not result in an assist when JT was fouled. Several good open court takes, but then threw up an ill advised pull up three off of the dribble. Took several other threes as well, although of the standstill they are leaving me wide open variety. Only hit 1 on the night. Still not his shot. When it is you can add about 6 points to his total every night. Not a great final quarter, with too many jumpers and not enough effectiveness around the hoop. Got his shot blocked on the drive at the 1:15 mark, but grabbed the board and brought it back out. Added a meaningless drive at the buzzer. Defense seemed a little sluggish tonight -- hope Kevin is not beleding on over rather than vice versa. Of course we are all whiners. Our 20 years old ROY just gave us 21pts 6reb 7ast, pretty much his standard on the season, and all we can do is complain.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Greene ( B ) -- in early for an ineffective Omri, and quickly made a difference stopping Butler on defense and grabbing the d-board. raveled moving before his dribble. The game tunred after he was inserted -- we started flat and down 14-6, but quickly made up the ground. Jumper to tie the game at the end of the first. Drew an offensive foul stopping a break late in the 2nd, and added a much needed three courtesy of Kevin and then a spectacular alley oop on the break courtesy of Reke. Replaced Casspi after half in the starting lineup. Missed a layup but was active and aggressive moving the ball (which for a spell he was doing better and more willingly than either of the guards) and on defense. But got into quick foul trouble and was plagued by it for the rest of the game. Missed the desperation three at the 45 second mark.

Brockman ( B- ) -- out of nowhere turned to in the 4th and basically went the whole way. Was not great, but at least was not soft/confused/clumsy/slouchy/fluttery or any other word that can be used for our young bigs (starters). Brought a little defense in the early part of the quarter, but often looked short in there agianst the length of Blatche etc. as they played over the top of him. Drew several loose ball fouls from the Wizards trying to hold him off the boards. Hit 2 FTs in the mid 4th. Not an impact performance, but at least a competitive one.

Udrih ( C ) -- in for Reke at the end of the first, and as soon as he came in, so did Boykins, who they could not guard. Faked out so bad by Young in the early 2nd that he fell down. Ineffective first half stint again as he seems to have been thrown as badly as any of the kids by his reduced role. Finally hit a three in the early 4th. And came up with a driving layup on the break to get us within 2 at the 1:45 mark. So very limited production again, but at least a little bit of clutch timeliness.

Udoka ( C- ) -- limited minutes and production. Came in for Greene in the early third ahead of Casspi -- sure that made Omri happy given his minutes complaints. Not quick enough to stay ahead of Young. Mossed a corner three. Missed another corner three set up by Reke.

Thomas ( INC ) -- was magnificent in 2+ minutes of action, and the surest sign of Westphal having lost touch with the team was him not leaving KT out there to save us.

Nocioni ( INC ) -- minutes and production have been getting smaller and smaller, and now I am just waiting for the blowup. Or the trade -- because if we can't move him at the deadline this year, with these sorts of stints (5 minutes, 0-2, no numbers of any kind) he's going to be our new KT. Big unmoveable contract. Came in and tried to post in there and got it swatted by Mcgee. Tyreke at elast seemed to still recognize he was on the team and be wiling to give it to him to try to score. Was physical on defense. Otherwise a non-entity.
 
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Well, we got back Kevin's scoring this road trip, but lost everybody else.

Some stats:

Record with Kevin this year: 1-6
PPG with Kevin this year: 97.3ppg (104pg overall)
Philly Opp Pts this season: 101.2 (we scored 88)
Washington Opp Pts this season: 103.6 (we score 86)
Sure, it's Kevin's fault that Hawes and Thompson had 8 turnovers and only 13 rebounds. And that Omri has hit the rookie wall or something. And Udoka suddenly can't hit a thing.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#6
Sure, it's Kevin's fault that Hawes and Thompson had 8 turnovers and only 13 rebounds. And that Omri has hit the rookie wall or something. And Udoka suddenly can't hit a thing.

We may want to define "fault".

With Kevin and Tyreke paired they take all the shots -- they both scored 20+ pts tonight. Kevin's efficiency sucked, but still, both solid statistical nights. And yet the offense is dead because nobody else is involved. It looks exactly like it did to begin the season.

So blame it on Kevin. Blame it on everybody else but Kevin. Blame it on the situation. Blame it on the stars. But we have a problem that needs solving.
 
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VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#7
Sure, it's Kevin's fault that Hawes and Thompson had 8 turnovers and only 13 rebounds. And that Omri has hit the rookie wall or something. And Udoka suddenly can't hit a thing.
Of course it is. Haven't you been talking notes? And I'm sure it's Kevin's fault that Evans all of a sudden decided to start pulling up and taking long jumpers, too...
 
#11
We may want to define "fault".

With Kevin and Tyreke paired they take all the shots -- they both scored 20+ pts tonight. Kevin's efficiency sucked, but still, both solid statistical nights. And yet the offense is dead because nobody else is involved.
I don't know what game you were watching, but Thompson and Spencer had 22 shots between them. Should they have had MORE?
 
#13
We may want to define "fault".

With Kevin and Tyreke paired they take all the shots -- they both scored 20+ pts tonight. Kevin's efficiency sucked, but still, both solid statistical nights. And yet the offense is dead because nobody else is involved. It looks exactly like it did to begin the season.

So blame it on Kevin. Blame it on everybody else but Kevin. Blame it on the situation. Blame it on the stars. But we have a problem that needs solving.
Oh we definitely have a problem that needs solving. It starts with our frontcourt.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#14
I don't know what game you were watching, but Thompson and Spencer had 22 shots between them. Should they have had MORE?

I don't know what game YOU were watching, but I do have a guess what number jersey you were watching it in. The two combiend for18 shots, not 22 (which is 1 less than Kevin himself). And they sucked, so hey, obviously no more shots. But its chicken and egg there is it not? In a perfect world they -- and I'm not going to be tricked into ignoring Omri and Beno and Donte etc. -- need as many shots as it takes to get into a rhtyhm. If they can't get them, then we have a problem that needs to be solved in some manner. What the manner is can be debated. These repeated and conistent failures in this roster alignment however are rendering the argument thta there IS no problem increasingly silly.
 
#16
Didn't get to see today's game. I was extremely dissapointed last night, mainly to see Donte back to being a bench scrub. Just checked the box score, at least he got some rub tonight. Only 2 games in and not looking good at all since Martin's return. Don't want to jump to conclusions since they didn't play well the few games before his return, but the clock is ticking...
 
#17
Of course it is. Haven't you been talking notes? And I'm sure it's Kevin's fault that Evans all of a sudden decided to start pulling up and taking long jumpers, too...

Have you not noticed teams have adjusted thier defence on evans?
getting to the rim with his juke step right juke step left right handed layup (never left) is pretty predictable. His outside and midrange shots are exactly whaat he has to add to his arsenal and its only going to get better by trial and error. Hes obviously practicing it alot in practice or he wouldnt be shooting it. He needs to gain his confidence in it and he will when it starts to drops.

How bout he never shoots? that will definitely make his shooting better!
 
#19
I don't know what game YOU were watching, but I do have a guess what number jersey you were watching it in. The two combiend for18 shots, not 22 (which is 1 less than Kevin himself). And they sucked, so hey, obviously no more shots. But its chicken and egg there is it not? In a perfect world they -- and I'm not going to be tricked into ignoring Omri and Beno and Donte etc. -- need as many shots as it takes to get into a rhtyhm. If they can't get them, then we have a problem that needs to be solved in some manner. What the manner is can be debated. These repeated and conistent failures in this roster alignment however are rendering the argument thta there IS no problem increasingly silly.
The only Kings jersey I own has a number 4 on it from 10 years ago. But I already know which player you seem to have it in for. Why is that? I'm a Kings fan. I root for all players who play well. I don't play favorites nor do I play the hit man on anybody. I look at the game and whoever plays well I give credit, and who doesn't I rag on.

Yes, it was 18 shots. ESPN's box score kept moving players around and I looked a the wrong line.

So too bad Martin is back because we won so many games without him. We were in 1st place!

Wait... we sucked without Martin.
 
#21
And 3 out of the last 10 before he came back. Yep, we were going gangbusters! LOL!!

I was hoping Kevin can make a positive difference, help win some of the near misses. But it seems like his minutes/shots/game is just aversely affecting Tyreke/Beno/Omri/Donte. He is subtraction by addition. It is just overlaping production minus the excitement we had before. Between KM and Tyreke there is too much ball hogging/ball stopping/1-1/etc. Not working and won't work. Just a question of when GP choose to reshuffle the deck.
 
#22
I was hoping Kevin can make a positive difference, help win some of the near misses. But it seems like his minutes/shots/game is just aversely affecting Tyreke/Beno/Omri/Donte. He is subtraction by addition. It is just overlaping production minus the excitement we had before. Between KM and Tyreke there is too much ball hogging/ball stopping/1-1/etc. Not working and won't work. Just a question of when GP choose to reshuffle the deck.
Actually, it would be nice if your boy Casspi got his shot back. We could use it. Blaming another player for all his misses is a bit ridiculous.
 
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1. They need to push the ball.
2. If they settle into halfcourt, they need to run the ball through a guy who can make the right decisions.
3. If guys screw up open shots, you got to live with it and keep to the game plan. Making the shots tougher by going one on one won't help at all.
4. Donte needs more minutes and needs his minutes for defense only. I don't care if he just scores 6 points, he and Brockman get the team more possessions and make up for the defensive lapses of Hawes and Martin.
 
#25
Actually, it would be nice if your boy Casspi got his shot back. We could use it. Blaming another player for all his misses is a bit ridiculous.
Where did I blame him for the misses? The dynamic of the team changed with Martin. You are trying to preempt some argument that I didn't make?
So the last 2 lame losses are because Omri missed his shots? His shots and touches weren't enough of a factor to win or lose anything. It is really not about how many of the 6-8 shots he can take from now on he will make or miss. He and Donte and Beno are all affected by KM and we get nothing out of it. We can lose the same games running Omri and Donte. The 2-3 log jam needs to bring a big that can do something.
 
#26
Oh we definitely have a problem that needs solving. It starts with our frontcourt.
This is NOT a surprise when your starting center is soft. Hawes needs 2 years of coming off the bench with a real NBA center showing him how to work and how to be effective in the paint. Hawes needs to hit the weights, practice with the team, and work his way back into the starting lineup. Starting him now is only destroying his confidence. He isn't ready for prime time. He just isn't strong enough to contend with ANY other center in the league at this point. He has 7 rebounds which is better than the 3 he has been averaging but he took WAY to many shots going 5-13. He isn't in the top 4 in scoring options. Martin, Reke, Casspi, JT and Beno should be taking the lions share of shots. Hawes should only be getting garbage buckets and put backs. His outside shot is not solid enough to have him pretend to be a scoring threat.

Now JT on the other hand is a totally different situation. He had only 6 rebounds and shot 1-5. If anyone should be shooting inside it is JT. Hawes gets his shot blocked and/or misses because he gets bumped and there is no call. You dont get bump fouls shooting as a center. JT needs to get more shots and find the open man when they contest his shot. Both Martin and Evans had off shooting nights. It wont happen like that every time. Just another loss we should have played better in. I think the need for a center is being magnified by the total breakdown of internal defense especially when Hawes is in. I just dont see Hawes as a defensive specialist. My guess is that Petrie is going to go after a good defensive center to pair with all the outside firepower he has to try and get the Kings going. Where was Hilton Armstrong? We sure could have needed some inside toughness in this game at center. Hawes was playing on rollar skates as usual, and JT is still playing poorly as of late. This is begining to look like an OH FER road trip...
 
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#27
Its really depressing to see whats going on right now.
I have never expected that the worst scenario will happen and that the players
that made such a nice progress in the last months will suck big time.
You can all protect KMart but its obvious that since he ist back we are a different team! Its really frustrating!
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#30
Omri deserves an A++++++ since that big bad meanie Kevin Martin keeps stealing his shots and forcing him to miss the shots that he took. It's also Kevin's fault that Omri forgot how to play defense like earlier in the season.

In other news, Kevin also held Westphal at gun point and forced him to play Nocioni and Udoka while also purposefully making our big men commit ridiculously stupid turnovers.


Yup definitely Kevin's fault.
 
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