Evans - PG or SG? And yes, it's this again...

#61
not argument there... he's definitely a basketball player, a good one at that.



yeah... like, what part of tyrekes game reminds anyone of a pg? besides the fact that he's being played at pg. you could put kobe at pg and he would still put up 28/5/5, the lakers would still win. that doesnt mean that kobe is a pg. he's just clearly better than the player thats guarding him. evans is a really good player, he could still get 20/5/5 playing sg... he doesnt need to be in a height mismatch to get his numbers. beno and sergio are not starting quality pgs... but we do need a pg that can play with tyreke if we want our offense to be run efficiently. the problem is that we need a pg that can defend because we lack shotblockers...

i would love it if we could trade beno for ramon sessions... he can defend, pass the ball and is enough of a scorer that he can play off the ball when tyreke has the ball in his hands.
Kobe is the PG of the Lakers if you ask me. People have this stereotype of PG's that they have to be Jason Kidd or something, but really the common denominator for all PG's is that they're the primary ball handlers and they're expected to be the initiator of the offense. Whether they pass a lot or shoot a lot is really arbitrary, the real responsibility of the PG is handling the ball and making the decisions.
 
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you could put kobe at pg and he would still put up 28/5/5, the lakers would still win. that doesnt mean that kobe is a pg. he's just clearly better than the player thats guarding him.
you're right. Kobe could be a PG and nothing would change. As far as the Lakers is concern they don't have or need a point guard. They got Kobe.

Evans is capable of the same thing...basically he can be both.

Evans/Donte/Casspi/JT/Hawes has been doing fine. Evans a PG.
 
#63
But the one thing Kobe has that allows him to do so is his offensive arsenal. As much as I love Tyreke, he's not close. kobe can bail himself out with that sweet shooting stroke, while also having a post game for a guard. So far, Tyreke is just outmatching his opponenets. A big reason why I was an advocate for moving him from primary PG duties is that if and when opposing defenses key in on him, he can't break down the D with his jumpshot or low post game. I think he's done fantastic so far, but this PG/SG will become moot if he works on his perimiter game. Once he has a bigger repetoire he will truly be unguardable.
 

Bricklayer

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#64
But the one thing Kobe has that allows him to do so is his offensive arsenal. As much as I love Tyreke, he's not close. kobe can bail himself out with that sweet shooting stroke, while also having a post game for a guard. So far, Tyreke is just outmatching his opponenets. A big reason why I was an advocate for moving him from primary PG duties is that if and when opposing defenses key in on him, he can't break down the D with his jumpshot or low post game. I think he's done fantastic so far, but this PG/SG will become moot if he works on his perimiter game. Once he has a bigger repetoire he will truly be unguardable.
Now I'm confused.

Defenses have been keying on Reke since roughly Game 7. He has bent the defense in true superstar fashion for months and is nearly constantly doubleteamed whenever he goes down in the post -- yes indeed, he has a lethal post game against smaller guards. Most of his assists are dive and kicks as the entire defense tries to close around him. The ONLY thing he is lacking (besides experience) is the Kobe jumper.
 
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you're right. Kobe could be a PG and nothing would change. As far as the Lakers is concern they don't have or need a point guard. They got Kobe.

Evans is capable of the same thing...basically he can be both.

Evans/Donte/Casspi/JT/Hawes has been doing fine. Evans a PG.
therein lies the problem, kobe can do all of that but the team would suffer. same thing goes for evans, he can get his points and some assists but everyone else will have inconsistent games... hawes will be hot for a few games, then suck. thompson will be good for a few games and then turn into a foul prone bench warmer. donte and casspi are lucky, casspi is just as shooter so as long as his shot is going in he doesnt care who he plays with and donte can always fall back on his defense to keep him in games. they also have nocioni behind them to bail them out. thompson and hawes dont have that player behind them. beno and sergio are either really good or really bad... thats why they are back ups....
 

Tetsujin

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#66
therein lies the problem, kobe can do all of that but the team would suffer. same thing goes for evans, he can get his points and some assists but everyone else will have inconsistent games... hawes will be hot for a few games, then suck. thompson will be good for a few games and then turn into a foul prone bench warmer. donte and casspi are lucky, casspi is just as shooter so as long as his shot is going in he doesnt care who he plays with and donte can always fall back on his defense to keep him in games. they also have nocioni behind them to bail them out. thompson and hawes dont have that player behind them. beno and sergio are either really good or really bad... thats why they are back ups....
How wold the Lakers suffer with Kobe at the point? It's not like Farmar and Fisher are like Magic Johnson out there. I personally think that they (as much as it pains me to say it) would be better with Kobe moved over and Brown starting.
 
#67
I want to suffer like the Lakers do with Kobe. :p

Kobe didn't have much of a jump shot when he entered the league did he?

Evans is only 20 years old. Can we give him a year or two, please? I have a feeling he will improve greatly over time in all facets of the game.
 

Bricklayer

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#68
therein lies the problem, kobe can do all of that but the team would suffer. same thing goes for evans, he can get his points and some assists but everyone else will have inconsistent games... hawes will be hot for a few games, then suck. thompson will be good for a few games and then turn into a foul prone bench warmer. donte and casspi are lucky, casspi is just as shooter so as long as his shot is going in he doesnt care who he plays with and donte can always fall back on his defense to keep him in games. they also have nocioni behind them to bail them out. thompson and hawes dont have that player behind them. beno and sergio are either really good or really bad... thats why they are back ups....
This has long since been proven a load of horse pooey you know. Or apparently you don't know. Last night poor Reke's teammates suffered their way to 109pts as they spent most of the night standing wide open while their men ran of to try to stop Tyreke. It really must have been a traumatizing experience. As it has been all year for the #6 offense in the league. Oh horrors -- we ONLY score 104ppg! And its all that damn meanie Reke's fault! If ONLY we could have a pure PG like Deron, and several former All Stars, we could score 99! Or Kidd and several former All Stars we could score 101! Or Jennings so we could score 97!

A load of horse manure. Tyreke draws so much attention its ridiculous, and he's already willing to beat that attention with passes, and our offense positively smokes most nights. As a 20 year old rookie. The great ones make up their own rules and break defenses just by their presence.
 

Tetsujin

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#69
I want to suffer like the Lakers do with Kobe. :p

Kobe didn't have much of a jump shot when he entered the league did he?

Evans is only 20 years old. Can we give him a year or two, please? I have a feeling he will improve greatly over time in all facets of the game.
The answer is obviously no. MVP or BUST!

He is tearing apart out team! Its obvious that we play far better basketball with a line up of

Sergio
Beno
Noce
Casspi
Hawes.

5000 three point attempts per game, 1:30 Assist to turnover ratio. Worst back court defense to ever grace the hardwood. A center afrad of getting an owie. What's not to love?
 
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This has long since been proven a load of horse pooey you know. Or apparently you don't know. Last night poor Reke's teammates suffered their way to 109pts as they spent most of the night standing wide open while their men ran of to try to stop Tyreke. It really must have been a traumatizing experience. As it has been all year for the #6 offense in the league. Oh horrors -- we ONLY score 104ppg! And its all that damn meanie Reke's fault! If ONLY we could have a pure PG like Deron, and several former All Stars, we could score 99! Or Kidd and several former All Stars we could score 101! Or Jennings so we could score 97!

A load of horse manure. Tyreke draws so much attention its ridiculous, and he's already willing to beat that attention with passes, and our offense positively smokes most nights. As a 20 year old rookie. The great ones make up their own rules and break defenses just by their presence.
yeah and thats why thompson, greene and hawes combined for 20 points...

thompson - (6-16) 14 points
hawes - (2-5) 4 points
greene - (1-5) 2 points
total - (9-26) 34.6%

like i said casspi doesnt care as long as his shot is going in (10-19) he could get those same points playing with beno or sergio... and nocioni played well enough that dontes lack of scoring isnt an issue. but tompson and hawes? well thompson had 14/10 but also had 5 TO's and 4 fouls.
 
#71
yeah and thats why thompson, greene and hawes combined for 20 points...

thompson - (6-16) 14 points
hawes - (2-5) 4 points
greene - (1-5) 2 points
total - (9-26) 34.6%

like i said casspi doesnt care as long as his shot is going in (10-19) he could get those same points playing with beno or sergio... and nocioni played well enough that dontes lack of scoring isnt an issue. but tompson and hawes? well thompson had 14/10 but also had 5 TO's and 4 fouls.
You lost me. How does your reply have any relationship to what Brick posted about Evans? Thompson, Hawes and Greene shot poorly last night. That's on them, not Evans.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#72
yeah and thats why thompson, greene and hawes combined for 20 points...

thompson - (6-16) 14 points
hawes - (2-5) 4 points
greene - (1-5) 2 points
total - (9-26) 34.6%

like i said casspi doesnt care as long as his shot is going in (10-19) he could get those same points playing with beno or sergio... and nocioni played well enough that dontes lack of scoring isnt an issue. but tompson and hawes? well thompson had 14/10 but also had 5 TO's and 4 fouls.
Now you're just reaching.

Thompson also missed ten shots including around 5 one-footers. I also am not seeing how it's Reke's fault that Thompson likes to throw the ball into the stands rather than make a responsible play and enjoys making cheapo fouls. Is he supposed to make the shots and passes for JT in addition to playing defense for him?

Donte only played 17 minutes and had his ankle pop. Plus you neglected to insert the rest of his stat line: 5 Rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks. Yup, definitely struggling.

And Hawes only played 8 minutes and him scoring is the least of our concerns.
 
#73
Now I'm confused.

Defenses have been keying on Reke since roughly Game 7. He has bent the defense in true superstar fashion for months and is nearly constantly doubleteamed whenever he goes down in the post -- yes indeed, he has a lethal post game against smaller guards. Most of his assists are dive and kicks as the entire defense tries to close around him. The ONLY thing he is lacking (besides experience) is the Kobe jumper.

Sorry, I can see how the post would be confusing - what I'm trying to say is that Reke, even though he has been nothing short of phenomenal, is still very much in the learning stages. The argument was about being a PG, and we brought Kobe into the equation; the point that I failed to bring across is that Kobe works @ PG because in end game situations you just don't know what he's going to do. He has an actual back down post game (maybe not Wilt but for a guard it's pretty good) with an array of jumpers and just overall experience.

Tyreke, as great as he's been (and I really think that the fact our offense is one of the BEST with a rookie combo guard running the show and basically a whole overhaul is something that is grossly underappreciated) has shown lapses in judgment at end of games and while he's not one dimensional, defenses can pretty much bank on him going into the lane. Once he develops that jumper (which is something you've talked about in many posts, and I'm just echoing/agreeing) then I don't mind him with full time PG duties. There have been numerous games where I'm watching and thinking how differently defenses would be playing him if he could shoot. He's been a very willing passer, and a decent one at that. Again, this is not a knock on Tyreke, just an observation. I know I didn't want him drafted and preferred Rubio, simply because of the "traditionalist" mind set,and I was wrong - but I still think that at the end of games, to keep a defense honest you need a player that can do everything - Tyreke is about to hit that threshold.
 

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yeah and thats why thompson, greene and hawes combined for 20 points...

thompson - (6-16) 14 points
hawes - (2-5) 4 points
greene - (1-5) 2 points
total - (9-26) 34.6%

like i said casspi doesnt care as long as his shot is going in (10-19) he could get those same points playing with beno or sergio... and nocioni played well enough that dontes lack of scoring isnt an issue. but tompson and hawes? well thompson had 14/10 but also had 5 TO's and 4 fouls.
And how me lad is Evans responsible for Thompsons 5 turnovers and 4 fouls. How is Evans responsible for Greene missing a wide open shot and blowing a would be assist for Evans. Tell me old wise one. Was Evans responsible for both of Udoka's missed freethrows with 4 seconds left in the Dallas game. Is he responsible if your trash isn't picked up on time. Sometimes you just don't make any sense.
 
#75
And how me lad is Evans responsible for Thompsons 5 turnovers and 4 fouls. How is Evans responsible for Greene missing a wide open shot and blowing a would be assist for Evans. Tell me old wise one. Was Evans responsible for both of Udoka's missed freethrows with 4 seconds left in the Dallas game. Is he responsible if your trash isn't picked up on time. Sometimes you just don't make any sense.

I was about to post the same thing yesterday....but than I thought..why bother. His logic alone makes me confused.

Kobe playing PG...team still win.
Kobe playing PG...team suffer. :confused:
 
#76
I want to suffer like the Lakers do with Kobe. :p

Kobe didn't have much of a jump shot when he entered the league did he?

Evans is only 20 years old. Can we give him a year or two, please? I have a feeling he will improve greatly over time in all facets of the game.
Would you really? Because then I'm with you on this one. But can you say out loud, for everyone to hear, what is Kobes playing position, just for the heck of it.:p
 
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Yea Brick I'm not sure what your argument is stating there... isn't it common logic that if you're a PG, you will be setting other people up, and therefore will be more responsible for your own shot? The only way I see a PG having more of their shots assisted if they played in such a system that promotes ball movement among the whole team, a la Triangle or Princeton, and doesn't rely on traditional guard setting up the play and dominating the ball. Unless I'm missing something?

I do agree with AM - Tyreke is a great player. It's a matter of putting players around him. I don't think he would be as effective playing off the ball because he's not a great defender yet, he has no jumpshot... There's a reason why Richard Hamilton is good at what he does - it plays to his strenghts. You can't put him at PG and expect good numbers. We have the luxury of having a player that is quite obviously a monster with the ball in his hands - but that's the point - he needs the ball in his hands; so we work around it. Surround him with complimentary players, and give him a system that suits his needs. If he needs the ball, give him the ball. Bring in a defensive lockdown PG that can distribute and shoot, and still have Tyreke run the show. But, when the time comes that he needs help or someone else to run the show, you got that PG. Sort of like D Wade does.
The Pistons put him at pg toward the end of last season, in fact the last 2 and 1/2 months of the season. Peep his stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3330/gamelog;_ylt=AhQeDU4QcOaIBG0BfcCTl5daPKB4?year=2008
 
#79
Sorry, I can see how the post would be confusing - what I'm trying to say is that Reke, even though he has been nothing short of phenomenal, is still very much in the learning stages. The argument was about being a PG, and we brought Kobe into the equation; the point that I failed to bring across is that Kobe works @ PG because in end game situations you just don't know what he's going to do. He has an actual back down post game (maybe not Wilt but for a guard it's pretty good) with an array of jumpers and just overall experience.

Tyreke, as great as he's been (and I really think that the fact our offense is one of the BEST with a rookie combo guard running the show and basically a whole overhaul is something that is grossly underappreciated) has shown lapses in judgment at end of games and while he's not one dimensional, defenses can pretty much bank on him going into the lane. Once he develops that jumper (which is something you've talked about in many posts, and I'm just echoing/agreeing) then I don't mind him with full time PG duties. There have been numerous games where I'm watching and thinking how differently defenses would be playing him if he could shoot. He's been a very willing passer, and a decent one at that. Again, this is not a knock on Tyreke, just an observation. I know I didn't want him drafted and preferred Rubio, simply because of the "traditionalist" mind set,and I was wrong - but I still think that at the end of games, to keep a defense honest you need a player that can do everything - Tyreke is about to hit that threshold.
I think Tyreke's end game decision making is only going to get better. He's made some mistakes, but he's also made some very big shots. The fact that he's looking to take over at the end of games, and does it pretty well, is amazing for a rookie. Overall, I agree with your post, when Tyreke develops that jump shot, it's game over for the rest of league. At this point, though, we don't need to build a team around the Tyreke of today, we need to build a team around the Tyreke of tomorrow. Kobe had his struggles as a rookie, too. I think this was posted here recently, but it bears repeating:

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Would you really? Because then I'm with you on this one. But can you say out loud, for everyone to hear, what is Kobes playing position, just for the heck of it.:p
As was posted, the Lakers don't even use a PG in the traditional sense. My point that it doesn't matter who you call the PG or SG, Kobe is going to have the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the Lakers, including the player "labeled" PG. Doesn't seem to have hurt them too much that the PG isn't the primary decision maker or ball handler, especially in crunch time.
 
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Now you're just reaching.

Thompson also missed ten shots including around 5 one-footers. I also am not seeing how it's Reke's fault that Thompson likes to throw the ball into the stands rather than make a responsible play and enjoys making cheapo fouls. Is he supposed to make the shots and passes for JT in addition to playing defense for him?

Donte only played 17 minutes and had his ankle pop. Plus you neglected to insert the rest of his stat line: 5 Rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks. Yup, definitely struggling.

And Hawes only played 8 minutes and him scoring is the least of our concerns.
Ever since Petrie drafted Tyreke, to am EVERYTHING is Reke's fault.

"HE'S EXACTLY WHO THEY SAID HE WAS!!!!!!"
 
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As was posted, the Lakers don't even use a PG in the traditional sense. My point that it doesn't matter who you call the PG or SG, Kobe is going to have the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the Lakers, including the player "labeled" PG. Doesn't seem to have hurt them too much that the PG isn't the primary decision maker or ball handler, especially in crunch time.
True enough. Fisher only brings the ball up half the time, and even when he does he passes it to Kobe and then runs and hides in the corner waiting for his defender to leave him so he can chuck up that ugly looking shot.
 
#83
Count me as a supporter of Tyreke at PG. I'd love to see him paired up to a 6'6"+ SG with handles and defensive prowess (e.g. Doug Christie-type player). I really like the Tyreke PG + Donte SG combo.

This has been an interesting discussion thus far, but it seems to me that many of us have different definitions of "PG." I can't claim to be a basketball expert (I've learned so much about bball from this forum), so I wouldn't hazard a definition of my own. For those of you who don't think that Tyreke should be a PG, I guess I'd ask (1) what role does a PG fulfill/what skills should a PG possess?; (2) does Reke do those things/can Reke do those things?; and (3) from the team's perspective, both short-term and long-term, what position should Reke play?
 
#84
:eek: There is some twisted logic for you, right there in your quote!

Because that is the point.
Evans looks like an SG, waddles like an SG, quacks like an SG, chances are IT'S AN SG.;)
Except MOST SG's in the NBA play off the ball. Wade, Kobe, those are the exceptions. Our own Kevin Martin is your prototypical Shooting Guard. use screens to get to your spot, and make the shot. Evans is not this style of player, and nor do we want him to be. His assist numbers will never be glorious (that being said, if anybody outside of Omri were to hit their first attempt off a Reke kick out, he'd be closer to 7 apg right now), but he is the man who will have the ball the majority of the time.

Also, you really really REALLY want him to play pg. Reasons why? How about Stephen Curry? Mo Williams? Derek Fisher? Chalmers? TJ Ford? How does anybody expect these tiny tots to be able to guard a 6' 6" mini-Lebron? You can't. And they won't switch their shooting guard on to him because well, we only have a 24 ppg scorer on the other wing (who is bothered by quicker players) that can just shoot over the top of the small guys. It is a match-up nightmare.
 
#85
Also, you really really REALLY want him to play pg. Reasons why? How about Stephen Curry? Mo Williams? Derek Fisher? Chalmers? TJ Ford? How does anybody expect these tiny tots to be able to guard a 6' 6" mini-Lebron? You can't. And they won't switch their shooting guard on to him because well, we only have a 24 ppg scorer on the other wing (who is bothered by quicker players) that can just shoot over the top of the small guys. It is a match-up nightmare.
I have a feeling that, after Kevin comes back, teams will be putting their point guards on Martin and daring him to shoot over them. Kind of like now when Donte plays SG, it's often the midget points that are called to defend him (Iverson and Nate come to mind). The difference is that Kevin is obviously a much better scorer than Donte is right now, so it will be interesting. Reke is the most dominant offensive force on this team, Kevin included, so he's still going to be drawing the other team's best defender, except that Reke will have one more lights out perimeter guy to create plays for. Doubling off of Kevin is a bad thing. Single coverage on Reke is a bad thing. It won't help our defensive woes, but it should at least be fun.
 
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I was about to post the same thing yesterday....but than I thought..why bother. His logic alone makes me confused.

Kobe playing PG...team still win.
Kobe playing PG...team suffer. :confused:
how many laker games do you watch? kobe plays as much pg as sergio plays center... when he gets the ball he has 2 choices, shoot with a man in his face or shoot with 2 men in his face. he passes the ball for one of two reasons, to get a better shot for himself or the defense wants a laker scrub to beat them. he'll pass it a few times, if they make the shots he'll try it every other possession until the opposing team catches up or takes the lead and then he's back to scoring whenever he wants.

as far as what i was talking about with brick was the fact that i said that thompson, hawes and greene had struggled in the last game. he replied that they struggled their way to 109 points... i just pointed out that they combined for 20 points with a horrendous fg%.


SG...what is Evans playing position? PG.

Game over. ;)
i still dont see how any of you watch kings games and see evans as a pg. he looks like a sg, plays like a sg and can only be defended by sg/sf...

Except MOST SG's in the NBA play off the ball. Wade, Kobe, those are the exceptions. Our own Kevin Martin is your prototypical Shooting Guard. use screens to get to your spot, and make the shot. Evans is not this style of player, and nor do we want him to be. His assist numbers will never be glorious (that being said, if anybody outside of Omri were to hit their first attempt off a Reke kick out, he'd be closer to 7 apg right now), but he is the man who will have the ball the majority of the time.

Also, you really really REALLY want him to play pg. Reasons why? How about Stephen Curry? Mo Williams? Derek Fisher? Chalmers? TJ Ford? How does anybody expect these tiny tots to be able to guard a 6' 6" mini-Lebron? You can't. And they won't switch their shooting guard on to him because well, we only have a 24 ppg scorer on the other wing (who is bothered by quicker players) that can just shoot over the top of the small guys. It is a match-up nightmare.
so basically what you are saying is that tyreke plays like an elite sg? but you want him a pg so that he can be guarded by players half a foot shorter than he is. why doesnt he just play sg and be really good at it? oh yeah, martin... and then theres garcia, omri and greene... the fact that we can force teams to put their pg on evans doesnt make evans a pg.

now i know how galileo felt trying to explain to people that the earth revolved around the sun. we are looking at the same things but are coming to 2 different conclusions. i see a 6'6 player scoring at will and see a sg, you see it and see a pg....

thats why i brought up kobe, he could play at pg and his game wouldnt change... though some of the other lakers would stand around looking lost. phil would lose his mind having to yell at kobe to pass the ball to pau to get the offense running. thats why they have had so many close games this season, fisher has been playing horrible so kobe has been trying to run the the show. thanx to some kobe heroics the lakers are still the best team in basketball record wise... kobe has won the games that evans has lost. obviously, kobe is much better than evans... but thats how its gone down. i dont think evans will be kobe level good but they do play the same way, evans just cant shoot the ball yet. evans is a s much of a pg as kobe and wade.... more like joe johnson and roy than kobe and wade but the bottom line is that he isnt a pg. a damn good player but not a pg.
 

Tetsujin

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#87
how many laker games do you watch? kobe plays as much pg as sergio plays center... when he gets the ball he has 2 choices, shoot with a man in his face or shoot with 2 men in his face. he passes the ball for one of two reasons, to get a better shot for himself or the defense wants a laker scrub to beat them. he'll pass it a few times, if they make the shots he'll try it every other possession until the opposing team catches up or takes the lead and then he's back to scoring whenever he wants.

as far as what i was talking about with brick was the fact that i said that thompson, hawes and greene had struggled in the last game. he replied that they struggled their way to 109 points... i just pointed out that they combined for 20 points with a horrendous fg%.




i still dont see how any of you watch kings games and see evans as a pg. he looks like a sg, plays like a sg and can only be defended by sg/sf...



so basically what you are saying is that tyreke plays like an elite sg? but you want him a pg so that he can be guarded by players half a foot shorter than he is. why doesnt he just play sg and be really good at it? oh yeah, martin... and then theres garcia, omri and greene... the fact that we can force teams to put their pg on evans doesnt make evans a pg.

now i know how galileo felt trying to explain to people that the earth revolved around the sun. we are looking at the same things but are coming to 2 different conclusions. i see a 6'6 player scoring at will and see a sg, you see it and see a pg....

thats why i brought up kobe, he could play at pg and his game wouldnt change... though some of the other lakers would stand around looking lost. phil would lose his mind having to yell at kobe to pass the ball to pau to get the offense running. thats why they have had so many close games this season, fisher has been playing horrible so kobe has been trying to run the the show. thanx to some kobe heroics the lakers are still the best team in basketball record wise... kobe has won the games that evans has lost. obviously, kobe is much better than evans... but thats how its gone down. i dont think evans will be kobe level good but they do play the same way, evans just cant shoot the ball yet. evans is a s much of a pg as kobe and wade.... more like joe johnson and roy than kobe and wade but the bottom line is that he isnt a pg. a damn good player but not a pg.
At this point you're just arguing with yourself and not making much sense. GO back to your Lakers board and gush about Kobe over there. Frankly the Kobe love is beginning to make me sick (I feel like I ate a tainted room service cheese burger). FYI, Galileo wasn't the one who first suggested a heliocentric model. That was Copernicus.

Do you realize how much Kobe sucked during his first year in the NBA? Do you see how good 'Reke is doing in his first year? By no means am I trying to compare the two rookie situations but, dammit, if your going to compare Kobe in his prime to 'Reke as a rookie of course Kobe's going to come out on top since he has PLAYED MORE GAMES and is FULLY DEVELOPED. It's kind of like comparing a Caterpillar to a butterfly.

In regards to the Heat and Wade, who the hell handles the ball over there? It sure as hell isn't Mario Chalmers. Wade is the showrunner of that team and I would consider, the point guard of the Heat.
 
#88
At this point, I don't give a damn if Evans is a point guard or a shooting guard, so long as he's the shortest player in the starting lineup.

AriesMar27 said:
now i know how galileo felt trying to explain to people that the earth revolved around the sun.
Please share more pearls of wisdom o great and generous one. We are honored that you have graced us with your presence. We're not worthy. :rolleyes:
 

bajaden

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Point guard characteristics
A point guard, like all player positions in basketball, has specific characteristics that are essential for them to help guide their team to a victory. The Basketball Handbook by Lee Rose describes a point guard as a coach on the floor, who can handle and distribute the ball to teammates. It also states that the more speed a point guard has, the more likely he will be able to create separation and space off the dribble, which allows the point guard room to work. Point guards should also be vocal floor leaders, and should discuss rule interpretations with officials. A point guard must always know the time on both the shot clock and the game clock, the score, the number of timeouts for both teams, and whom to foul late in the game.
A true point guard's job is to create scoring opportunities for his team. The role includes passing and running the offense: setting up plays on the court, getting the ball to the teammate that he feels is in the best position to score, and dictating the tempo of the game. This also means knowing when and how to instigate a fast break and when and how to initiate the more deliberate sets.[1]
After an opponent scores, it is typically the point guard who brings the ball down court to begin an offensive play. For this reason, passing skills, ball handling, and court vision are pivotal. Point guards are often evaluated more on their assist totals than on their scoring. John Stockton, who is considered one of the greatest point guards of all time, is the NBA's all time leader in assists. Still, a first-rate point guard should also have a reasonably effective jump shot.
If a point guard has more size (height, muscle) compared to the prototypical point guard, it is considered a plus, but size is only secondary to awareness and ball skills. Among the taller players who have enjoyed success at the position is Magic Johnson, who was 6'9"/2.06 m and won the National Basketball Association Most Valuable Player Award three times in his career. Other point guards who have been named the NBA MVP include Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson (who somewhat foreshadowed Johnson in that he was 6'5"/1.96 m, the size of many forwards in his era), and Steve Nash.

I would say that by this definition, that Tyreke could be called a point guard. As to whether he is called one, or should be, is nonsense. This is a ridiculous discussion brought on by people that just have to be right to appease their ego's. Whereas my self esteem is just fine, I could care less.