Kings gonna play against israel national team

CruzDude

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Looks like the israeli team will travel to Sacramento based on this partial translation in 1One:

Published: Israel's basketball team is expected to take off in October to Sacramento to stay with team of Omri Caspi, Sacramento Kings in a friendly match this evening learned (two) to ONE.

Friendly match between the sides came the best option group from the NBA with an Israeli player manages funds on the order of the team will host a private group and Israel as published in various places that the group Gilboa / Galil is expected to stay with Omri Caspi and his colleagues.
 
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kennadog said:
Not sure if the NBA would allow it. Contractual issues and such.
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That's the second time i see someone says that(the first time at the Galil Vs Kings thread), is it based on past experience or you just assuming the NBA won't allow it?
The reason why i'm asking is because it seems very absurd to me, players playing 1 half for their past teams or even a full game is something common in Europe/Israel when it comes for these kind of exhibition games, this game is for the fun of the fans(and to make some money).

even if such problem can occur, this is a national team, players don't have contracts with it, Omri is signed with the Kings and a member of the national team at the same time anyway, no matter if he plays at that game or not.
 
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basketfan said:
That's the second time i see someone says that(the first time at the Galil Vs Kings thread), is it based on past experience or you just assuming the NBA won't allow it?
The reason why i'm asking is because it seems very absurd to me, players playing 1 half for their past teams or even a full game is something common in Europe/Israel when it comes for these kind of exhibition games, this game is for the fun of the fans(and to make some money).

even if such problem can occur, this is a national team, players don't have contracts with it, Omri is signed with the Kings and a member of the national team at the same time anyway, no matter if he plays at that game or not.
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No person here can speak for the provisions found in anyone's NBA contract, unless that person is the owner of that contract, or that contract has been made completely public (which does not happen.) It seems to make sense that a provision against playing versus your own NBA team would exist, even for an exhibition game. Though, I doubt that one exists.

Still, If you take a look into NBA history, team owners have typically disliked their players taking on extracurricular activities. Owners are easily conceived as being totally against one of their players getting injured while squaring off against his own team. I think it's too big of a business risk.


Edit: in other words, what kennadog said is just an educated opinion based on past experiences
 
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I think all those Galil/Israel games against the Kings are so wrong, I mean, you see Casspi and he's playing well, why they need to destroy the image of Israel with showing the Israeli team or Galil? :p
the worst part of it is that westphal doesn't have totally bench players, he use everybody in the games, so when Sac will lead by 20 he'll put his bench in and the lead will continue to grow :)
 
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Reem said:
I think all those Galil/Israel games against the Kings are so wrong, I mean, you see Casspi and he's playing well, why they need to destroy the image of Israel with showing the Israeli team or Galil? :p
the worst part of it is that westphal doesn't have totally bench players, he use everybody in the games, so when Sac will lead by 20 he'll put his bench in and the lead will continue to grow :)
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I agree with you 100%. Both of these games will just be awkward. The only Israeli team that can sort of act like its competing against an NBA team is Maccabi. Having the national team or Galil play against any NBA team is a complete joke.
 
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Give Israel some credit, with Casspi, Our starting 5 is very good and will be able to compete with the kings, though I do agree that when talking about the bench...well, you two are absolutely right :mad:
 
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basketfan said:
Give Israel some credit, with Casspi, Our starting 5 is very good and will be able to compete with the kings, though I do agree that when talking about the bench...well, you two are absolutely right :mad:
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Who on our starting 5 can compete? Eliyahu can do some things on offense but he's practically a practice cone on defense. Yotam is OK. Other than these two, the rest are scrubs even by European standards. We have some talent on the Israeli team, but unless some of these guys start working at least half as hard as Omri works to realize their potential, Israeli basketball will continue to be a sad joke.

The most annoying one is Eliyahu, because he is probably the most talented player ever to come out of Israel, but also the laziest and most unfocused. This guy has the talent to be an NBA allstar, and instead he is wasting it on the bench in Vitoria because he can't seem to find the time to work on his defense and his outside shot.
 
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Asaf said:
Who on our starting 5 can compete?
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Starting lineup:
Green
Eliyahu
Casspi
Halperin
Burshtein / Mekel

All of these players have played against NBA teams with Maccabi in the last few years, why they can compete when wearing yellow and not when wearing blue? i'm not saying each of them can score 50 points and take 20 rebounds, all i'm saying is they can compete.

Eliyahu was good against the Spurs and the Suns, Green and Burshtein against the Raptors(although i'm aware Tal is not in the same shape now), Casspi is Casspi, and Halperin no doubt can compete, the only one that is not in the same league as the rest is Mekel, but he's not needed for the lineup anyway.

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We have some talent on the Israeli team, but unless some of these guys start working at least half as hard as Omri works to realize their potential
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You talk like Omri invented hard work, I don't agree that Green, Halperin and Burshtein are not hard workers, exactly the opposite, Elyahu yes, a big yes, and it's unfortunate.

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Israeli basketball will continue to be a sad joke.
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You have a short memory, in the last decade Israel has beaten in official Eurobasket games teams like Spain, Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia(and actually all of the ex-Yugoslavia countries), have some faith.
 
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basketfan said:
Starting lineup:
Green
Eliyahu
Casspi
Halperin
Burshtein / Mekel

All of these players have played against NBA teams with Maccabi in the last few years, why they can compete when wearing yellow and not when wearing blue? i'm not saying each of them can score 50 points and take 20 rebounds, all i'm saying is they can compete.

Eliyahu was good against the Spurs and the Suns, Green and Burshtein against the Raptors(although i'm aware Tal is not in the same shape now), Casspi is Casspi, and Halperin no doubt can compete, the only one that is not in the same league as the rest is Mekel, but he's not needed for the lineup anyway.


You talk like Omri invented hard work, I don't agree that Green, Halperin and Burshtein are not hard workers, exactly the opposite, Elyahu yes, a big yes, and it's unfortunate.


You have a short memory, in the last decade Israel has beaten in official Eurobasket games teams like Spain, Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia(and actually all of the ex-Yugoslavia countries), have some faith.
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Omri did not invent hard work but he certainly redefined it as far as Israeli basketball players go. I agree that the players you mentioned are not lazy, but they are nowhere near as focused on what they have to do to get to the next level as Omri is. He knows EXACTLY what he needs to do in every step of the way and he doesn't rest until he accomplishes his mission.

These guys could compete against NBA in Maccabi uniform because they had NBA caliber international players on their team. They would never have been able to pull off the victory against Toronto without Anthony Parker, for example.

And yes, we did pull off wins against strong European teams, but we also lost to "powerhouses" like Portugal, Latvia, Great Britain, and the Czech Republic, not to mention Macedonia. The only thing we are consistent at is settling for mediocrity. There is only one coach in Israel, Zvika Sherf, who truly cares about maximizing the ability of the Israeli players. Others are good coaches who can lead their teams and the national team to relative success, but none of them actually contribute to their players development, and that includes Pini Gershon. One coach who cares is not enough, especially when he keeps getting crucified by the media for being too hard on his players and actually expecting them to work and get better. They created the "Russian Law", which just encouraged the Israeli players to stay lazy, because they no longer need to work for their minutes. Awesome!

Talent-wise, there can be quite a few Casspis rocking the NBA, but until someone over there explains to the people involved what professionalism is about, we still have a long way to go.
 
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FromIsrael said:
The israeli national team is expected to meet the Kings on 17nth October.

not a realy good translate, but you can get the point - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=iw&sl=iw&tl=en&u=http://www.one.co.il/Article/150578.html


might be cool :) Btw, 1.5 month before it, Casspi gonna play with the national team in the EuroCup Qualifation.
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Hi FromIsrael:

Are all the fans in Israel still excited about Omri, and watching the Kings game as much, or has the enthusiasm cooled off a little since the start of year? I think it is great the fans are so passionate, and stay up late, or watch when they can. Omri is playing best basketball lately, scoring and hustling and playing clutch, let's hope he continues!
 
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Everyone still watch hes games... the only problom is all the games are like on 5-3 am in the morning, but ppl keep watching him even in these hours.
i must say, i was a fan of the king since 10 years ago, but Casspi made me way more passionate about the Kings again :)

but yeah ALL the israelis are followin the Kings, and want the Kings to win the games :)
 
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Asaf said:
Omri did not invent hard work but he certainly redefined it as far as Israeli basketball players go. I agree that the players you mentioned are not lazy, but they are nowhere near as focused on what they have to do to get to the next level as Omri is. He knows EXACTLY what he needs to do in every step of the way and he doesn't rest until he accomplishes his mission.
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I Agree for the most part, but remember that Casspi is younger than them, and the younger you are, the improvement is more noticeable(that's a quote of Casspi himself), Omri is in the right place in the right time, and that's not only because hard work, but also because good decision making by his parents throughout his career.


Asaf said:
These guys could compete against NBA in Maccabi uniform because they had NBA caliber international players on their team. They would never have been able to pull off the victory against Toronto without Anthony Parker, for example.
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As i said earlier, i'm not talking about winning, i'm talking about competing, my interpretation of competing is to play at the same level for most of the game, i don't think Green doing a back to back blocks on Jalen Rose got anything to do with Anthony Parker, I also don't think that the presence of Rodney Buford(!)...was the reason Elyahu scored 10-12 points each game against the Spurs, Suns and the knicks.

Asaf said:
The only thing we are consistent at is settling for mediocrity. There is only one coach in Israel, Zvika Sherf, who truly cares about maximizing the ability of the Israeli players. Others are good coaches who can lead their teams and the national team to relative success, but none of them actually contribute to their players development, and that includes Pini Gershon. One coach who cares is not enough, especially when he keeps getting crucified by the media for being too hard on his players and actually expecting them to work and get better. They created the "Russian Law", which just encouraged the Israeli players to stay lazy, because they no longer need to work for their minutes. Awesome!
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Agree.

Asaf said:
Talent-wise, there can be quite a few Casspis rocking the NBA, but until someone over there explains to the people involved what professionalism is about, we still have a long way to go.
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Casspi opened the door, there are a lot of 14-18 years old players that see Casspi now and believe that they can get to the NBA if they'll work like him, and that makes me very optimistic.

And to the real topic of this thread, Kings Vs Israel will be a fun game to watch and i hope it will happen(final decision will be held on Thursday) :)
 
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