No.. it's true. These guys are much better when Aldrige is running at the 5. i know Oden is a true big but Portland is not a grind it out halfcourt offense. Roy, Rudy, Aldrige all would rather run. Oden is not the reason why they're underacheiving but I think they'd be better off without him. I guess we'll see now.
Oden's season over
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It's the difference between short term and long term success. Comes Playoffs, you'll need a strong inside presence and the ability to run half court offense, doesn't matter if fast break is your cup of tea or not.
As a matter of fact, no opponent's missing shot and defensive rebound = no fast break.
As a matter of fact, no opponent's missing shot and defensive rebound = no fast break.
Oden's uneven legs could be the root cause of his knee injuries. Adding on that weight after his microfracture too probably hasn't helped the stress on those joints.
This is sad though, I was really rooting for Oden to make a come back and fulfill his potential. I hate all the "what if" "draft bust" crap talk about him, he's the last guy that deserves this kind of thing. Super nice guy, I hope he can recover from this.
This is sad though, I was really rooting for Oden to make a come back and fulfill his potential. I hate all the "what if" "draft bust" crap talk about him, he's the last guy that deserves this kind of thing. Super nice guy, I hope he can recover from this.
Not sure where broken knee cap = career ender, but it does suck in the largest of ways. He as really coming around this year too. The onyl thing holding him back from being a double double center this season and 2nd in the league in blocks was minutes, both because of foul and because of Pryz. Now he's going to have to wait and start all over again, yet again, establihsing himself next season.
The positive: this is his senior year in college. When he returns next year he will basically be the same age Patrick Ewing was as a rookie, and younger than a guy like David Robinson was as a rookie. The injuries haven't started cutting into his core years yet. But its got to be horribly depressing. I would send him out there next year wearing every pad and brace they make. Have him out there in a football uni. With shin guards. And goggles.
The positive: this is his senior year in college. When he returns next year he will basically be the same age Patrick Ewing was as a rookie, and younger than a guy like David Robinson was as a rookie. The injuries haven't started cutting into his core years yet. But its got to be horribly depressing. I would send him out there next year wearing every pad and brace they make. Have him out there in a football uni. With shin guards. And goggles.
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Why are you so fixated on numbers? You and I both know that there are more reasons why the Blazers did not make the playoffs - terrible coaching to start. There is no way THIS version of Oden makes the Blazers contenders. Serious question - do you watch the games? Just watch the games and you will see that Oden slows everybody down. I understand you need a low point presence, a true big man, but this team does not fit him. I'm not saying shoot the guy, but he'd be better off somewhere else.
I'm not fixated on numbers, I'm fixated on results. So far, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy have played together for three years, and the only year that they've been to the playoffs was the one where they had a healthy Oden.
Yes, I watch their games; I have League Pass, and the Blazers are my third-favorite team, so I never miss their games when the Kings aren't playing. Why do you say "slows everything down" as if it's a bad thing? Halfcourt basketball is winning basketball; history bears that out. And anyway, Oden's most significant value to the Trailblazers is/was as a defender: he was a game-changer defensively.
Portland's defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs without Oden. It may not be good enough to get to the playoffs without Oden. Not only that but, as Barkley has said many times (and, about which, he is one hundred percent right), the Blazers don't get any easy baskets; their best players are all jump shooters, and that doesn't work when opposing defenses have several days to gameplan and stop you. That free-flowing, up-and-down stuff looks real pretty (to some people, anyway, present company excepted) during the regular season, when a team's in town to face you one night, and is two states over in another town the next night, but it doesn't win.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: if you want to blame somebody, blame Andre Miller. He's the guy who's taking it out of Roy's hands. He's the guy who's inability to shoot the three doesn't leave Roy and Aldridge room to operate. He's the guy disrupting the offense, not Oden.
Yes, I watch their games; I have League Pass, and the Blazers are my third-favorite team, so I never miss their games when the Kings aren't playing. Why do you say "slows everything down" as if it's a bad thing? Halfcourt basketball is winning basketball; history bears that out. And anyway, Oden's most significant value to the Trailblazers is/was as a defender: he was a game-changer defensively.
Portland's defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs without Oden. It may not be good enough to get to the playoffs without Oden. Not only that but, as Barkley has said many times (and, about which, he is one hundred percent right), the Blazers don't get any easy baskets; their best players are all jump shooters, and that doesn't work when opposing defenses have several days to gameplan and stop you. That free-flowing, up-and-down stuff looks real pretty (to some people, anyway, present company excepted) during the regular season, when a team's in town to face you one night, and is two states over in another town the next night, but it doesn't win.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: if you want to blame somebody, blame Andre Miller. He's the guy who's taking it out of Roy's hands. He's the guy who's inability to shoot the three doesn't leave Roy and Aldridge room to operate. He's the guy disrupting the offense, not Oden.
It’s just sad to see him go down like this, he just can’t catch a break. Greg Oden seems like a nice guy and he looked like he was putting his game together, it’s just sad that he had to go down again. I really hope he can bounce back from this injury.
On top of everything he feels really bad for letting his team down.
On top of everything he feels really bad for letting his team down.
This is just really sad. If anything, I want to see competition in this league get stronger...Greg Oden is the 'other piece' that the Blazers need to be relevant. Without him, they're not that imposing at all. It hits especially close to home considering the injury struggles our team has had over the years, and also considering that Portland is kind of our model for becoming relevant again (amass as much young talent as possible through the draft).
Fair enough. I agree about the Millere thing, but then again that was a stupid move when he was signed, so I'm trying to base my opinion on what we have right now. Miller is there, they have to incorporate him somehow. I still say Blake should start and get bulk of minutes - at least he can shoot.
About the free flowing offense thing; don't mistake me for a fanboy that just likes to see them run up and down. I personally hate watching the Suns, but watching the Blazers just kind of reminds me how Shaq disrupted the offense of the Suns (bear in mind I am in no way comparing the teams, just trying to give a visual on what I think). The games I've watched, it almost seems like the team has to force Oden into the game on the offense. Yes, he's a game changer on Defense, and we all know defense wins the big one, but that team is just not suited to his skillet.
Compared to the expectations of Oden when he came out of college, he is heading down the road of bust.
Oden was supposed to be a no brainer, instant impact, nba ready center. The one to replace Shaq as the next dominant center of a generation. With his strength, athleticism and nack for blocking/changing shots, cloggin up the center with his size.
So far he's had a torn up right knee, a messed up foot, and a broken left knee cap. He was already less athletic after the micro-surgery. A bump by Aaron Brookes knee is most likely not what was the cause of the broken knee cap. It was the end cause, but it must have been already weakened and heading that way. If his knee was completely healthy and Aaron Brookes hit him THAT hard, Brookes would have a severe injury most likely as well.
So, in my book, that's a bust.
Oden was supposed to be a no brainer, instant impact, nba ready center. The one to replace Shaq as the next dominant center of a generation. With his strength, athleticism and nack for blocking/changing shots, cloggin up the center with his size.
So far he's had a torn up right knee, a messed up foot, and a broken left knee cap. He was already less athletic after the micro-surgery. A bump by Aaron Brookes knee is most likely not what was the cause of the broken knee cap. It was the end cause, but it must have been already weakened and heading that way. If his knee was completely healthy and Aaron Brookes hit him THAT hard, Brookes would have a severe injury most likely as well.
So, in my book, that's a bust.
