Geoff Petrie
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which was a safe pick just like thompson and hawes before him...
ugh... he traded or bought for all of those picks... traded foye for roy, tyrus for aldridge. traded cash for sergio... oden was the number 1 pick but thats about it.
we were a better team so we had lower picks... but that doesnt make what he did any less brilliant. could you imagine the blazers with foye and thomas... they would be horrible....
ugh... he traded or bought for all of those picks... traded foye for roy, tyrus for aldridge. traded cash for sergio... oden was the number 1 pick but thats about it.
we were a better team so we had lower picks... but that doesnt make what he did any less brilliant. could you imagine the blazers with foye and thomas... they would be horrible....
Well, to be honest it's hard for me to understand how Bayless can be a "base hit" in your book if Wallace and Garcia are "mistakes".
But whatever. I do trust that since you have characterized Pendergraph and Cunningham (6 minutes played combined) as "base hits" despite being picked in front of Blair that you'll at least not join the "Petrie should not have traded the #31 for Brockman and Sergio" chorus.
But whatever. I do trust that since you have characterized Pendergraph and Cunningham (6 minutes played combined) as "base hits" despite being picked in front of Blair that you'll at least not join the "Petrie should not have traded the #31 for Brockman and Sergio" chorus.
EXACTLY - AM I understand Arenas being a good player, but he HAS to dominate the ball to be effective. In our system that would have been an absolute killer. He would NOT have averaged the points or been as good in our system. As much as it highlighted some of our players, it also promoted TEAM ball, which is something that Arenas does not excell at. For god's sake, he had 12 TOs yesterday.
Bajaden - to respond to your above post - I agree with you. I loved Turiaf and Bass, but for the same reason I liked Lee. They are undersized, but CAN rebound, are tough and can hit the mid range jumper. I didn't oversee Lee because I spent so much time looking at him and scouting him that it made my eyes pop out of my head. My thinking was that if we're going after a "big" we better be sure what we're getting is legit.
This isn't a knock on Pritchard, but he's been better at trading his picks afterwards, and, getting the first pick in the draft doesn't hurt either. But he's done a good job so far.
Buford has quietly been very good at finding players that fit nicely into the Spurs system. The real test will come when Duncan is done. When he has to find a way to make up for a superstar. He's done a good job so far, but its been made easier by having Duncan there.
Donnie Nelson is just an average GM. when it comes to drafting. Besides, I don't want anyone with the name Nelson anywhere near the Kings..
Buford has quietly been very good at finding players that fit nicely into the Spurs system. The real test will come when Duncan is done. When he has to find a way to make up for a superstar. He's done a good job so far, but its been made easier by having Duncan there.
Donnie Nelson is just an average GM. when it comes to drafting. Besides, I don't want anyone with the name Nelson anywhere near the Kings..
True, but apply that same set of rules to Petrie. If you, or anyone wants to be critical of Petrie's overall job, then you can certainly find fault. Some of his signings haven't been good. But even most of his critic's acknowledge that he's a very good judge of talent. You can point out Douby, and rightly so. But his overall track record is above average.
Picking 20 or below in a weak draft is the most difficult. Both Douby and Garcia came out of weak drafts. When you pick that low, all your hoping for is someone that will eventually be able to contribute at the NBA level. If you end up with a starter, then you got lucky. When you look at the Douby draft, there are guys taken in the top 12 that are struggling to even remain in the NBA. I'm not excusing the Douby pick. I'm just saying that in hindsight its easy to see who you should have picked.
Martin is an example of getting lucky.
Picking 20 or below in a weak draft is the most difficult. Both Douby and Garcia came out of weak drafts. When you pick that low, all your hoping for is someone that will eventually be able to contribute at the NBA level. If you end up with a starter, then you got lucky. When you look at the Douby draft, there are guys taken in the top 12 that are struggling to even remain in the NBA. I'm not excusing the Douby pick. I'm just saying that in hindsight its easy to see who you should have picked.
Martin is an example of getting lucky.
Tyreke Evans was the safe pick I think not, almost everyone had Rubio signed, sealed and delivered to Sacto all wrapped in a bow
No I strongly disagree with you. Tyreke was the out of the box choice and Petrie pulled the trigger.
It was the same with JT, everyone wanted Randolph. Randolph is a nice player but he is too skinny to bang with JT. Heck Randolph bounced off of Donte the other night
Hawes was a real stretch. He had a history of an injured knee, but has been steady as a King. As this season progresses Hawes should come into his own. Bigs usually take 3 seasons.
Bottom line though is this. GP does not need me to defend him. So I am out
KB
I think not, almost everyone had Rubio signed, sealed and delivered to Sacto all wrapped in a bowNo I strongly disagree with you. Tyreke was the out of the box choice and Petrie pulled the trigger.
It was the same with JT, everyone wanted Randolph. Randolph is a nice player but he is too skinny to bang with JT. Heck Randolph bounced off of Donte the other night
Hawes was a real stretch. He had a history of an injured knee, but has been steady as a King. As this season progresses Hawes should come into his own. Bigs usually take 3 seasons.
Bottom line though is this. GP does not need me to defend him. So I am out
KB
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Tyreke Evans was the safe pick I think not, almost everyone had Rubio signed, sealed and delivered to Sacto all wrapped in a bow
No I strongly disagree with you. Tyreke was the out of the box choice and Petrie pulled the trigger.
It was the same with JT, everyone wanted Randolph. Randolph is a nice player but he is too skinny to bang with JT. Heck Randolph bounced off of Donte the other night
Hawes was a real stretch. He had a history of an injured knee, but has been steady as a King. As this season progresses Hawes should come into his own. Bigs usually take 3 seasons.
Bottom line though is this. GP does not need me to defend him. So I am out
KB
I think not, almost everyone had Rubio signed, sealed and delivered to Sacto all wrapped in a bowNo I strongly disagree with you. Tyreke was the out of the box choice and Petrie pulled the trigger.
It was the same with JT, everyone wanted Randolph. Randolph is a nice player but he is too skinny to bang with JT. Heck Randolph bounced off of Donte the other night
Hawes was a real stretch. He had a history of an injured knee, but has been steady as a King. As this season progresses Hawes should come into his own. Bigs usually take 3 seasons.
Bottom line though is this. GP does not need me to defend him. So I am out
KB
I can understand you saying that Hawes was a safe pick, since he was the only big man left with any talent. Who I wanted over Noah at the time anyway. But how can you call Thompson a safe pick. There were only a few people on this fourm, myself included that were talking about Thompson. Most of the pundits were shocked when Petrie picked Thompson, as was I. I wanted him, but I figured there was no way Petrie would pick him that high. And neither did anyone else. So there's no way you can call Thompson a safe pick.
Umm. Greene is 6-11, JT is 6-11, Casspi is 6-9, Brockman is 6-7, lead guard is 6-6/220 (a wow!). If Kings surprise with better than expected performance this year, Petrie is candidate for Exec of the Year...........again. Considering the circumstances, he has done fabulous job for Kings. Heck, even he is smiling now for the first time in 3-4 years!!
Buford has been GM for 8 drafts in San Antonio, but they have only held on to four first-round picks in that time: Beno Udrih, Ian Mahinmi, Tiago Splitter, and George Hill.
Nelson has been at Dallas the same amount of time, but only come away with 5 first rounders: B.J. Mullens, Maurice Ager, Devin Harris, Pavel Podkolzin, and Josh Howard.
It looks to me as if Petrie is the longest-tenured current GM (since 1994). Other guys who have over five years include (but might not be limited to):
Riley (Heat, 1996)
Paxson (Bulls, 2003)
Thorn (Nets, 2000)
Ainge (Celtics, 2003)
Buford (Spurs, 2002)
Nelson (Mavs, 2002)
Bird (Pacers, 2004)
Kupchak (Lakers, 2002)
Dumars (Pistons, 2000)
O'Connor (Jazz, 2000)
There's also Jordan, who has been with the Bobcats since 2004. I don't think he's technically the GM, but I get the feeling he's calling the shots.
So, at least 11 guys have been at the helm for 5 years (not counting Jordan).
Nelson has been at Dallas the same amount of time, but only come away with 5 first rounders: B.J. Mullens, Maurice Ager, Devin Harris, Pavel Podkolzin, and Josh Howard.
It looks to me as if Petrie is the longest-tenured current GM (since 1994). Other guys who have over five years include (but might not be limited to):
Riley (Heat, 1996)
Paxson (Bulls, 2003)
Thorn (Nets, 2000)
Ainge (Celtics, 2003)
Buford (Spurs, 2002)
Nelson (Mavs, 2002)
Bird (Pacers, 2004)
Kupchak (Lakers, 2002)
Dumars (Pistons, 2000)
O'Connor (Jazz, 2000)
There's also Jordan, who has been with the Bobcats since 2004. I don't think he's technically the GM, but I get the feeling he's calling the shots.
So, at least 11 guys have been at the helm for 5 years (not counting Jordan).
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thats why i mentioned that i couldnt think of any gms that had not only been gm for 12 years but had the picks... the spurs have been a good team the entire time so their picks have always been low, same goes for nelson. petrie has been probably the longest tenured gm in the league that doesnt mean that he is good at his job. it just means that there is one person that the maloofs wont fire regardless of how bad of a job he does. probably because they can just over rule him and do whatever they want.
there is more to being a gm than drafting players....
there is more to being a gm than drafting players....
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thompson was a safe pick... just because the fans wanted randolph doesnt mean that thompson wasnt the safe pick from the gms perspective...
just like how people like myself wanted he who shall remain nameless, in comparison evans was definitely the safe pick. not the most popular but definitely the safer pick.
same goes for hawes and wallace... gerald was a player that wouldnt interupt the great chemistry we had at the time. he was a project player because we already had a good team. hawes was a safe pick....
hedo, was hedo... it wasnt a safe pick but that draft was just horrible. it was a throw away pick that resulted in us getting a good player just like the douby draft minus douby. had we drafted rondo the draft wouldve still sucked but we wouldve gotten a good player. we had nothing to lose in taking hedo just like we had nothing to lose in taking douby.
Kevin Prichard? Yeah, the idiot who recommended Martell Webster instead of Andrew Bynum? Drafted Sergio Rodriguez instead of Paul Milllsap (who they later tried to sign but failed)? Jerryd Bayless instead of JT/Anthony Randolph? Imagine what the Blazer could have looked like with a lineup of:
PG) Blake/Miller
SG) Roy
SF) Durrant
PF) Aldridge
C) Bynum
6th Man) Millsap
Bench) Anthony Randolph or Jason Thompson
He easily could have had the BEST young team in the NBA with no less than two All-Stars (Roy/Durrant) and four future borderline All-Stars (Aldridge/Bynum/Millsap/JT or AR). Instead he's trying to assemble a team with unfit pieces. Idiot!!
Ok, just kidding. Pritchard is brilliant. But you see, nobody is perfect.
No one predicted that Thompson would go as high as he went. There were pundits that criticized Petrie for making such a reach for a player that should have gone some where near 20. But according to you, everything Petrie has done is just plain luck. He has no skill at all. Even picking Hedo was just plain luck. Its obvious that your biased, and not willing to give credit where credit is due.
Brian Grant, Peja, Hedo, Martin, J. Will, G. Wallace, Hawes, Thompson, Evans, Casspi. All safe picks. A monkey could have sat there and done the same job. Right!!
I've been called a Petrie hater and I dont even think Thompson was a safe pick. That's about as risky as you can legitimately go. So far, Geoff should get some props for that pick. Then again, my beef with that pick has always been if you could get him 8 picks later, then figure out a way to maximize value for your guy. We could have been a playoff team and potentially picked him.
Your absolutely right. No one is perfect, but some are better than others. Pritchard certainly looks like he falls into better than others list. But so does Petrie. I'm more than willing to criticize him when he signs someone like Mikkie Moore. I had no problem with him resigning Cisco, but I do think he overpaid for him. I guess with the resurgence of Beno, the jury is still out. But I wasn't a big fan of the signing at the time. Was pleasantly surprised in his first go around, but ready to ship him out in his second. I'm still not sold on him, but hope for the teams sake he continues to play well.
But I've never had a problem with Petrie's drafts, other than Douby. I wasn't thrilled with picking Cisco, but the pickings were slim and most would have taken him over my choice.
But I've never had a problem with Petrie's drafts, other than Douby. I wasn't thrilled with picking Cisco, but the pickings were slim and most would have taken him over my choice.
At this point, I have only very vague feelings about Geoff's performance. Many things have been done right, and many things have been done wrong, and it's almost never very clear who was responsible.
Partisans push agendas saying that everything bad was the Maloofs, or, conversely, that Geoff should have resigned years ago if the Maloofs wouldn't let him do his job. Nobody seems able to agree on what it is that Geoff has actually done. What the **** is one supposed to think?
You read about even something as seemingly simple as the last draft, and allegedly informed writers say that there was a fair amount of contention within the FO about at least the first pick. Gavin does his song and dance act immediately afterwards, leaving one wondering whether he played a significant role in the process. When it's all said and done, I don't really have much of a clue as to who all is on the FO/owner committee making decisions for the team, and what percentage of that committee's votes belong to Geoff.
So I kind of wash my hands of this whole topic. No kudos for Geoff from me today, and no calls for his head, either.
Partisans push agendas saying that everything bad was the Maloofs, or, conversely, that Geoff should have resigned years ago if the Maloofs wouldn't let him do his job. Nobody seems able to agree on what it is that Geoff has actually done. What the **** is one supposed to think?
You read about even something as seemingly simple as the last draft, and allegedly informed writers say that there was a fair amount of contention within the FO about at least the first pick. Gavin does his song and dance act immediately afterwards, leaving one wondering whether he played a significant role in the process. When it's all said and done, I don't really have much of a clue as to who all is on the FO/owner committee making decisions for the team, and what percentage of that committee's votes belong to Geoff.
So I kind of wash my hands of this whole topic. No kudos for Geoff from me today, and no calls for his head, either.
Its possible that the Maloof's had influence in some of the moves. Such as the Peja for Artest trade etc. Unless a mouse in the room rats them out, we'll probably never know. But I really doubt that the Maloof's had anything to do with the decision making regarding the draft. Except maybe getting on board with Hawes with picking Brockman.But the draft is Petrie's one area of expertise, so I doubt they would try to supercede him.
I can buy that maybe Westphal wasn't Petrie's first choice. And that maybe Westphal contacted the Maloof's and they in turn suggested him to Petrie, and a marrige was born. I can also buy that the Maloof's were reluctant to tear the team down. That they wanted to keep ticket sales up and asked Geoff to try and keep the team competitive. I don't know that to be a fact. But it would make sense. To me, none of this really matters now. The team seems to be on the right track. Whose really responsible, can quietly take bows..
I can buy that maybe Westphal wasn't Petrie's first choice. And that maybe Westphal contacted the Maloof's and they in turn suggested him to Petrie, and a marrige was born. I can also buy that the Maloof's were reluctant to tear the team down. That they wanted to keep ticket sales up and asked Geoff to try and keep the team competitive. I don't know that to be a fact. But it would make sense. To me, none of this really matters now. The team seems to be on the right track. Whose really responsible, can quietly take bows..
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i know you guys love evans but besides him what amazing draft nights did geoff have? martin was the steal of his draft, i wont deny that but who else? none of them are on the team... besides peja and now martin, none of the others have lasted past their rookie contract. though i guess garcia will qualify for that though half of us here want him to be traded.
i loved jwill, he is the reason why im a kings fan but he was traded.
peja was traded
hedo was traded
wallace was left unprotected in the expansion draft
douby sucked.....
for all of petrie's great draft choices what do we as fans have to show for it? none of them are here and how many of us would care if martin or garcia are traded? besides evans, where are these great draft choices? they werent bad draft choices, well douby and garcia(in hindsight) were i suppose...
he has yet to draft the future face of the franchise... unless evans becomes that player. if he does, then i would be right about him having decent drafts because it took him 12 years to finally do it.
i loved jwill, he is the reason why im a kings fan but he was traded.
peja was traded
hedo was traded
wallace was left unprotected in the expansion draft
douby sucked.....
for all of petrie's great draft choices what do we as fans have to show for it? none of them are here and how many of us would care if martin or garcia are traded? besides evans, where are these great draft choices? they werent bad draft choices, well douby and garcia(in hindsight) were i suppose...
he has yet to draft the future face of the franchise... unless evans becomes that player. if he does, then i would be right about him having decent drafts because it took him 12 years to finally do it.