Kings-Thunder post-game discussion

[Bricklayer]

There is an issue there though -- it was remarked even before the draft how little Reke seemed to dunk, and the cirtical companion to that is that he is not at this point a high percentage layup guy. Remember the way Salmons never seemed to miss one once he got to the rim? Well Reke is the opposite -- he gets to the rim at will but his layup efficiency reminds me of (scary comparison) Rafer Alston. Point being that if he had great touch on those layups and was highly efficient with them, the lack of dunking would not even be a factor. But since he seems to struggle to finish sometimes, the dunk would be an obvious solution. If he can get up easily. Because maybe he can't. He's strong, he can really slice, but maybe he just didn't get blessed with the springy legs gene. And hey, few PGs can dunk easily and they get along (of course that's because most of them are small -- much rarer in a 6'5"/6'6" athletic guy). But if that is the story with Reke he's really got to focus on layup drills here these first few years. Guys in the NBA are bigger, there is more defense at the rim. All the nifty driving ability in the world isn't going to matter if he clanks the layup at the end.

 

[Kingster]

So Evans had a bad game. The Rubio fans can have their day, we still love em.


I think people are either not aware or forgetting how good this OKC team really is. Look at their roster.

Durant = future superstar
Westbrook = future all star pg
Green = future all star
Harden = top lottery pick, picked even ahead of Evans.


You add that with a pumped up OKC team that wanted to redeem themselves on opening night in front of their home crowd and you have a blow out against a young inexperienced Kings team.

I agree. Nobody has mentioned the obvious - we had no answer for Durant or Green. Those are two outstanding talents.

Evans had a rookie game. Big news in that.

Hawes shouldn't be given anything. This isn't the NBA pre-school self esteem class. This is pro basketball where you earn your minutes. If Westphal doesn't think he's earned starting, so be it.

The Westphal criticisms are over the top. I noticed one of the Kings ex-assistants on the OKC bench. He looked so much smarter sitting on their bench with Durant next to him than the Kings bench last year sitting next to Kenny Thomas. I'm sure he will enjoy post-game interviews a lot more this year.

 

[Kingster]

First off, I'm not comparing Evans to Westbrook..However, if you want to do that in the generic sense. Westbrook is another player that most said last year would never be a point guard and was, Ahemm, a true shooting guard. So there is a similarity for you, if you want to compare. Using this form of logic, then Evans will probably have 12 assists in his home opener next year.

But, as I stated, Evans had a bad game. All players have bad games. Now if he has 20 of these in a row, then I'm going to be very concerned. Back when I was still a luke warm Warrior fan, I watched Timmy Hardaway go something like 2 for 22 from the floor with 2 assists and 6 turnovers. Did that mean he sucked, or did it mean he just had one of those nights.

I thought it was interesting that Thompson said the the ref's came up at halftime and told him they had looked at the game film and decided he didn't deserve a couple of the fouls he got. Duh! I guess it helped in the second half though, when they seemed to swallow their whistles.

I really like Thompson, but the guy is going to have to grow up. Quit dancing around the floor like a child when you get a call on you Thompson! The refs are going to continue to eat him alive if he doesn't cut the "I'm a victime of ref abuse" act.

 

[bajaden]

I just watched the game again from last night.. I slowed it down on every possesion we got scored on.. Our collaping into the paint is killing us. As soon as somebody drives everyone seems to collapse into the lane.. even if they dont have a defensive chance to affect the play. This led to numerous open threes which killed us.

Mason did nothing positive on defense, he was the one mostly collapsing to the paint in the first, it looked like he wanted to crash the boards.. but they just kept kicking out to Durant and burning us with threes.

We didnt call our first time out untill we were down 20-10 with 6 minutes left in the first.... Thats something westphal needs to be aware of. that was way too late.

I also noticed our double teaming in the post was brutal! they were hot from three and we kept on double teaming and not rotating fast enough to catch back up on defense.

On offense Spencer maybe set 3 screens the whole game... he needs to set wayyyyyy more then that.

I watched tyreke closely and he just seemed timid when attacking the rim to finish. This will easily be corrected when he gets the jitters out of his system.

Brockman deserved more playing time, we went on a nice run while he was in and forced them to call a timeout.. Then PW took brockman out?..

When we ran the ball thru Spencer at the highpost good things happend and we got some buckets from Martin, hopefully they will do a little more of the high post princeton play.

Just some second time around thoughts after watching the game.. we have a lot of stuff to improve on but it is stuff we can improve on.

Yeah, I went back and rewatched the game again. Stoping, backing up and rewatching the same things you were watching. There was one play that pretty much sums up what I saw a lot of. Casspi was guarding Durant, and Mason was guarding Harden. Mason got picked by a screen and Casspi switched and picked up Harden coming off the screen. Mason dropped down into the key to double for some reason. Casspi was yelling at Mason and pointing to Durant who now was setting up at the three point line. Casspi left Harden and ran to cover Durant. The ball went to Harden who now had set up on the right wing at the three point line. He nailed a three with Casspi franticily running at him. At first glance it would have appeared to be Casspi's fault, but in truth it was Masons fault.

The play stood out for me, because Jerry Reynolds pointed out the defensive breakdown, but had it wrong when he said that Casspi lost his man and let him slide in behind him. Its pretty hard for Casspi to cover both Harden and Durant at the same time.

 

[bajaden]

Doesn't seem to have elite explosiveness of a Kobe, Josh Smith, Westbrook to just jump right over you when you are in the vacinity.

I'd say that this is true of Smith and Kobe, but not so with Westbrook. Westbrook's standing reach is 8'4" and his max vertical is 11'4.5". So he has a shorter max vertical than Evans. That means he has less room for error than Evans does, and last time I watched him play he didn't have any trouble dunking the ball..

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Yeah, I went back and rewatched the game again. Stoping, backing up and rewatching the same things you were watching. There was one play that pretty much sums up what I saw a lot of. Casspi was guarding Durant, and Mason was guarding Harden. Mason got picked by a screen and Casspi switched and picked up Harden coming off the screen. Mason dropped down into the key to double for some reason. Casspi was yelling at Mason and pointing to Durant who now was setting up at the three point line. Casspi left Harden and ran to cover Durant. The ball went to Harden who now had set up on the right wing at the three point line. He nailed a three with Casspi franticily running at him. At first glance it would have appeared to be Casspi's fault, but in truth it was Masons fault.

The play stood out for me, because Jerry Reynolds pointed out the defensive breakdown, but had it wrong when he said that Casspi lost his man and let him slide in behind him. Its pretty hard for Casspi to cover both Harden and Durant at the same time.

yah exactly, that happend ALOT. i noticed it a cuple times with thompson too.. he would double in the paint on guard drives while leaving Green flareing out to the 3 line to be wide open.

It really did seem like Casspi knew what he was doing on rotations when watching the game a second time around tho, even the little scuffle he got in with May I think Omri made the right move.. Krstics back was turned and Omri doubled at the right time because KRstic could not physically see the open man Omri left. May yelled at Omri but i think it was a good double.

 

[rhythmless]

I remember watching a workout drill with him where he stands under the basket and just keeps going up with two hands and dunking the ball. I suspect its a stamina drill. My point is that Evans easily went up time after time and dunked the ball with two hands from a standing position.
Must we psycoanalyize every tiny thing. Even his dunking.

Most players that are capable of dunking that decide to lay it up instead, do so as a way of protecting the ball and making it more difficult to block. It usually means the player is in traffic and doesn't have a clear unconstested lane to the basket. Sometimes they just don't go in..

Well with 11'6" max vert and no one around, sure he can dunk the ball. But this is not in competition, where the SPEED at which you can reach your max vert is just as important, also known colloquially as "explosiveness." Further, in a standing dunk w/no one attempting a block, you can place the ball more in your fingers than full in your palm, giving you more reach at the top.

I'd say that this is true of Smith and Kobe, but not so with Westbrook. Westbrook's standing reach is 8'4" and his max vertical is 11'4.5". So he has a shorter max vertical than Evans. That means he has less room for error than Evans does, and last time I watched him play he didn't have any trouble dunking the ball..

Again, I point to explosiveness as a factor. Evans is quick enough to get around people, athletic enough to muscle around and find his lanes, but perhaps he is lacking the elite explosiveness to get above everyone before they can reach their spots. What you say is true, but you are not factoring that a quicker pace to max vert will give Westbrook tenths to make his play than Evans can.

Course, I am not saying Evans cannot have that explosiveness, but I have yet to see it from him where he goes over someone for a dunk. Westbrook has. This is all conjecture, and a theory I am making to explain his lack of hard finishes. I particularly like the comparison to Westbrook b/c I see the same similarities in their skillsets, w/Westbrook being the more explosive.

 

[Gary]

Can we maybe just take a deeeeep breath? Rookie point guards are going to have a lot of ups and downs. Jonny Flynn just had a game with 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Would you like to know Russell Westbrooks stats for his first few games in the league last year?

Game 1 vs. MIL: Pts: 13, Ast: 4, TO: 2
Game 2 vs. HOU: Pts: 6, Ast: 3, TO: 2
Game 3 vs. MIN: Pts: 14, Ast: 2, TO: 3
Game 4 vs. BOS: Pts: 13, Ast: 1, TO: 2
Game 5 vs. UTH: Pts: 6, Ast: 1, TO: 2

I would imagine you could look back at the careers of most rookie PGs and seem very inconsistent play their first month of the season, and probably their whole rookie season (obvious examples being Nash and Stockton).

Can't just bring up stats and think that's the end of the story.. Do you actually see him try to set up any type of "set" offense once bringing the ball up? Nope... I did catch the Minnesota game as well... (well parts of it) and Flynn plays a lot more like a PG than Evans played last night.

How many bad games will it take? I can see the Kings pulling the plug in about 10 games if this isn't working and going with something else.

 

[Gary]

I wasn't really throwing it out there as an excuse, but as an exampe of the fact that he did try to get others involved. As I stated, he had a bad game. One thing he has to overcome is trying to do it all by himself when the game plan doesn't seem to be working. I thought thats what he did in the second half of the game. He used to do the same thing at Memphis. At memphis he had more of an excuse because of the lack of talent. He has to trust his teammates and rely on them.

And Memphis had a good distributor in Anderson.. Anderson is probably better than most the Kings at distribution..

Not sure if it's the Kings that aren't giving Evans the freedom to do what he wants or if Evans just can't do it..

 

[Gary]

That is the dumbest thing. No, he should not start. He is not a future superstar like Evans is. He is not even a dependable role player. Man crush.

OK so you're a female... But still.. Evans a future superstar only playing one horrible game in the NBA? Who has got the crush?

 

[bajaden]

Well with 11'6" max vert and no one around, sure he can dunk the ball. But this is not in competition, where the SPEED at which you can reach your max vert is just as important, also known colloquially as "explosiveness." Further, in a standing dunk w/no one attempting a block, you can place the ball more in your fingers than full in your palm, giving you more reach at the top.



Again, I point to explosiveness as a factor. Evans is quick enough to get around people, athletic enough to muscle around and find his lanes, but perhaps he is lacking the elite explosiveness to get above everyone before they can reach their spots. What you say is true, but you are not factoring that a quicker pace to max vert will give Westbrook tenths to make his play than Evans can.

Course, I am not saying Evans cannot have that explosiveness, but I have yet to see it from him where he goes over someone for a dunk. Westbrook has. This is all conjecture, and a theory I am making to explain his lack of hard finishes. I particularly like the comparison to Westbrook b/c I see the same similarities in their skillsets, w/Westbrook being the more explosive.

I really don't want to get into an argument over dunking. But when they run the combine and they run the vertical max test, the players aren't at a full sprint. They get about a two step running start, if you can call that running. Now Westbrook may be a more explosive jumper, but he's not a higher jumper. At least with a two step start.

Some players get used to just laying the ball up. Brad Miller used to drive me nuts laying the ball up when he was uncontested under the basket. Could be Evans falls into the same category, where he's just used to laying the ball up in traffic. I don't know. Next time I have a beer with him I'll ask him. Wait a minute! He's not 21 yet is he? Oh well, no beer, no talk..

 

[bajaden]

I really like Thompson, but the guy is going to have to grow up. Quit dancing around the floor like a child when you get a call on you Thompson! The refs are going to continue to eat him alive if he doesn't cut the "I'm a victime of ref abuse" act.

I agree, he needs to control himself more. However I thought it was interesting that the ref's admitted making a mistake on a couple of calls. Kudo's to them. I'm hopeful that this being his second year the ref's will quit treating him like a rookie. And your right, he needs to help them do that by not showing them up after every call.

 

[rhythmless]

I really don't want to get into an argument over dunking. But when they run the combine and they run the vertical max test, the players aren't at a full sprint. They get about a two step running start, if you can call that running. Now Westbrook may be a more explosive jumper, but he's not a higher jumper. At least with a two step start.

Some players get used to just laying the ball up. Brad Miller used to drive me nuts laying the ball up when he was uncontested under the basket. Could be Evans falls into the same category, where he's just used to laying the ball up in traffic. I don't know. Next time I have a beer with him I'll ask him. Wait a minute! He's not 21 yet is he? Oh well, no beer, no talk..

That's all I'm saying.

Explosive matters when people are coming at you and the ball.

 

[bajaden]

That's all I'm saying.

Explosive matters when people are coming at you and the ball.

Explosive's mattered when I was in the marine corps too. Especially ours, when people were coming at me. I guess things just never change..

 

[Entity]

I am not in full agreement on Omri starting yet. He did good playing the backyard style we were playing when he was in. he looked lost in set offensive situations. He had no clue where to be on defense. He will be good though he needs about half a season to figure everything out. I'd love to have Cisco right about now with Casspi backing him up.

We miss Cisco.

 

[Kingster]

I agree, he needs to control himself more. However I thought it was interesting that the ref's admitted making a mistake on a couple of calls. Kudo's to them. I'm hopeful that this being his second year the ref's will quit treating him like a rookie. And your right, he needs to help them do that by not showing them up after every call.

And conversely Thompson needs to go up to the ref and say, "I'm sorry, I'm acting like a 2-year old. It won't happen again." We all know we're going to have a losing record this year. What I'm looking at carefully are the bad habits that need to be broken and the good ones that need to be made. Hopefully, this bad habit of Thompson's will be broken by year end.

 

[M_Barragan]

Reke's standing is 8'8", while he has a max vert reach of 11'6". I'm assuming this is w/o the ball, so we can knock that down a few inches due to his loss of momentum swing/etc for having to hold the ball and bring it up (it does matter). Factor in how he would hold the ball, that will take away up to half a foot too (ball in hand means max vert is no longer his finger tips, but his wrist). Now his ball clearance is down to maybe 10'6". To dunk cleanly, you need to clear the rim a few inches. Now you're basically asking him to jump almost his max vert for a clean dunk. With a nice speed and clear lane, he could dunk the ball cleanly, asking him to throw it down in traffic is a whole 'nother matter entirely. I would say that you will see dunks from him only in the open court, and as a trailer on a fast break. Doesn't seem to have elite explosiveness of a Kobe, Josh Smith, Westbrook to just jump right over you when you are in the vacinity.

You don't lose that much vertical with a basketball. I would put his with the ball clearance at probably 11'1 inch or so..... 10'6" clearance would barely be clearing your fingers for a guy his size.

Tyreke has a different type of athleticism. I myself played ball. I have pogo sticks for legs. Or I should say had. I blew out my ACL playing ball in college. Anyways, I was blessed to be able to jump over half my height. However, i occasionally ran into players that are challenged vertically but are exceptional horizontally. That is what tyreke is.... he has a 34" running vert so he is no slouch by any means.

He has enough to dunk on players. By looking at him play I'm seeing someone who is playing smart in traffic. I blew my ACL out landing in between two legs. Explosiveness... goes against physics guys. People cant get to the top of their vertical faster then another player.... last time i checked gravity pulls on us all equally. (I'm talking raw vertical not accounting for height difference or standing reach difference... pure how fast and high your feet leave the ground)

Those that rise up on someone and give em the love up top are just more aggressive and are willing to jump high (plant down more force) around traffic... that's not physical that is mental...

Anyways I wanted Rubio... but we got Tyreke. My take... he can be a beast if he learns to play to his advantage... I.E posting smaller players... blowing past larger players. If he can develop a serviceable jumpshot that would open up his game.... O yea like any PG a mid range game (floater) would make the kid a scoring beast because of his ability to get in position for it plus his standing reach would make it impossible for other PG's and SG's to challenge the shot from behind.

Once he get to the rim the team has to do a better job at creating some space and opening up passing lanes for tyreke to pass. You can have all the court vision in the world... if there is no passing lane there is no passing lane...

One play in particular I saw tyreke make a mistake, That was when he blew past his guy and did a reverse lay up that he missed. JT's man left JT to help on Tyreke. Tyreke should have slipped the pass ahead to JT for a pretty simple layup or drunk depending on how ast JT's man recovered.

I will say this. With those long arms if he can develop that part of his game he will be a monster... the guys arms are so long he can literally reach around defenders to find his teammates lol... crazy.

But this you learn with time... it is just his first NBA game for crying out loud. Some RUBIO Jock straps on this board are crucifying this guy on his first freaking game.... come on... do you really thing 6'4 inch 165 pound ricky rubio would do better on his first game??? Give me a break dude.

By the way.... starting Sergio over Tyreke is the dumbest thing ive heard on this board.... ever.

 

[Kingster]

That's all I'm saying.

Explosive matters when people are coming at you and the ball.

He looks pretty explosive to me getting around people. Explosive quickness, but not explosive jumping ability. The funny thing is that when people talk about this guy I get the feeling they are talking more about a center than a point guard. How many point guards in this league do people yell at because they don't dunk?!

Tyreke's success in this league is going to be determined by his outside shooting, not his dunking ability. If he gets good at open outside shots and he develops a floater, just forget about it...

 

[M_Barragan]

Yea... a floater for a kid that long with his ability to leave his man at the perimiter would be disaster for the defense. He has large hands so he can develope a good one if he puts the work in.

 

[TaxMan]

Can't just bring up stats and think that's the end of the story.. Do you actually see him try to set up any type of "set" offense once bringing the ball up? Nope... I did catch the Minnesota game as well... (well parts of it) and Flynn plays a lot more like a PG than Evans played last night.

How many bad games will it take? I can see the Kings pulling the plug in about 10 games if this isn't working and going with something else.

....yes, the fact that Flynn plays more like a PG than Evans did last night is not a surprise. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that Evans comes into his rookie year as a "pure" point guard (in the classic sense). The point is that one bad game is not the end of the world. The sky is not falling. The team is really pretty bad and I'd expect them to get better. THat includes Evans. I would take the over on your 10 game prediction any day of the week. If only because it's obvious the organization is taking a much longer term view of this than you are.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think its time for a rare "Sky is Not Falling" post from Bricklayer.

1) the sky already fell last year, so it can't really fall again
2) it was game 1
3) it was game 1
4)it was a road game -- as a young team especially I would expect us to play much better at home. Not sure how much homecourt advanatge there is in a half-filled arenas, but the sellout the first two games gimmick thta the mayor has launched is a good one, and we should play much better after the roadtrip.
5) as a young team we should improve over the course of the year. The rookies in particualr should figure things out.
6) there is no pressure to win! We aren't going to the plyaoffs, we aren't in the hunt. When you are fighting for a playoff berth, every loss is a mini-disaster and something to be regretted. In our case, it really is ok. You don't want to lose them all, but if you drop one due to inexpereince, its fine. If you have abad game or look disorganized some night, its to be expected. It even helps come draft position time. We can afford to be patient. We should be patient. Its not about winning this season. Its about winning the future.

 

[FaStRmAn]

I really liked the way Casspi played. He really looked like a professional. He played pretty good defense as well. He was hustling. I think Casspi could be a starter before long. Hawes has looked pretty lost. I really wish he would have gone to the summer league and played. I think he would have benefited from playing those extra games with his new team mates.

I really think this team is just very young and needs to play together. Hopefully tomorrow they will have a better game defensively against the Hornets.

 

[Gary]

....yes, the fact that Flynn plays more like a PG than Evans did last night is not a surprise. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that Evans comes into his rookie year as a "pure" point guard (in the classic sense). The point is that one bad game is not the end of the world. The sky is not falling. The team is really pretty bad and I'd expect them to get better. THat includes Evans. I would take the over on your 10 game prediction any day of the week. If only because it's obvious the organization is taking a much longer term view of this than you are.

As a coach how long would you give him? I would give him 10 games.. Either run the team like an NBA PG should or at least show some signs that he grasps the position.. He did neither last night.

 

[Bricklayer]

As a coach how long would you give him? I would give him 10 games.. Either run the team like an NBA PG should or at least show some signs that he grasps the position.. He did neither last night.

You would be fired in Game 11.

You don't trifle with a player of Reke's talent because you are upset somebody else wasn't drafted ahead of him. I'm not sure what position he will eventuially end up playing, but I am sure its going to take more than 10 games to find out. It will take a while, which is just fine, because we have a while. A return of Hawes to the starting linuep might help, because he can pass. Having Cisco would have been useful, because he can handle. And maybe Beno gets bumped back up in the rotation to play some backup SG and split the ballhandling duties. But however it works out, I can virtually guarantee you we're not going to be benching the rookie, giving up on him as a PG after 10 games, or in any other way doing anything silly. At season's end, if he's still not getting it, there will be plenty of time to take a look at the situation wiht John Wall in the draft and free agents a plenty available.

There will be ugly games between now and the end of the season. That's a given. But there will also be impressive ones, guaranteed. All that happened last night is that we started off with one of the ugly ones. Too bad, but not exactly uncommon amongst rookies trying to play the point.

 

[AriesMar27]

OK so you're a female... But still.. Evans a future superstar only playing one horrible game in the NBA? Who has got the crush?

ya know.... thats like the pot calling the kettle black.

you cant tell when the husband or the wife is online... they both dont like me.

 

[AriesMar27]

lets not be so hard on evans... its only been one game. he should at least get until the end of november before we start thinking about taking him out of the starting lineup.

though it is kinda hypocritical of westphal and petrie to bring hawes off the bench for not earning his starting spot but evans didnt play very well in preseason or the season opener yet sergio isnt starting over him.

the last preseason game against the thunder sergio played 35 minutes and had 11 assists. last night evans played 35 minutes against those same thunder and had 2 assists and 3 turnovers, plus he shot the ball horribly. last night sergio played 13 minutes and had 3 assists... in the last preseason game evans played 14 minutes and had 9 points and 2 assists, he shot pretty well too 4-6 in limited minutes.... not bad. im just saying....

maybe we should try it out, starting sergio at pg and bringing evans in off the bench in a manu/ben gordon type of role if he continues to play like this. we play the hornets tomorrow who will be looking to make up for losing their opener against the spurs. then on saturday we get the spurs who just lost to the bulls....

i dont think that evans will be putting up big numbers in either one of those games. after that we have memphis, atlanta and utah... evans might begin his nba career 0-6 as a starting nba pg.... but either way he should get all of november to prove that he can play the position. thats 15 games... if he cant handle it he shouldnt be starting.

if he could dunk he wouldnt be having this problem. im just saying... thats probably why he wants to be a pg, people wont expect him to throw it down. he's too damn tall to not dunk.... even rudy fernandez dunks... if he could throw it down he wouldnt want to be a pg. he would want to be a sg/sf so that segio could throw him alley-oops all day.

 

[NME]

As a coach how long would you give him? I would give him 10 games.. Either run the team like an NBA PG should or at least show some signs that he grasps the position.. He did neither last night.

What are you trying to accomplish in this scenario by pulling him? Winning 27 games instead of 20?

 

[Kingster]

I think its time for a rare "Sky is Not Falling" post from Bricklayer.

1) the sky already fell last year, so it can't really fall again
2) it was game 1
3) it was game 1
4)it was a road game -- as a young team especially I would expect us to play much better at home. Not sure how much homecourt advanatge there is in a half-filled arenas, but the sellout the first two games gimmick thta the mayor has launched is a good one, and we should play much better after the roadtrip.
5) as a young team we should improve over the course of the year. The rookies in particualr should figure things out.
6) there is no pressure to win! We aren't going to the plyaoffs, we aren't in the hunt. When you are fighting for a playoff berth, every loss is a mini-disaster and something to be regretted. In our case, it really is ok. You don't want to lose them all, but if you drop one due to inexpereince, its fine. If you have abad game or look disorganized some night, its to be expected. It even helps come draft position time. We can afford to be patient. We should be patient. Its not about winning this season. Its about winning the future.

Also, we have a new coach. It always takes about 20 games for the team to finally get it with the new offensive and defensive system. I saw players that obviously were confused about certain switch assignments. That will get worked out over the next month.

 

[Kingster]

As a coach how long would you give him? I would give him 10 games.. Either run the team like an NBA PG should or at least show some signs that he grasps the position.. He did neither last night.

Ten games for him to grasp the point guard position in the NBA is beyond ridiculous. Eighty-one more games to go...

 

[bajaden]

As a coach how long would you give him? I would give him 10 games.. Either run the team like an NBA PG should or at least show some signs that he grasps the position.. He did neither last night.

Gary mi amigo. You can't be serious. Dude, we agree on almost everything, but you've got to let this thing go. Your letting your emotions about wanting to be right cloud your judgement. I honestly don't have a dog in this hunt. Especially the classic point guard hunt. Hey, two years from now you may be proven right. But ten games? If you applied that standard to every position in the NBA, europe would be full of NBA rejects.

Come on, this isn't the Gary I know..