Beno with a knee injury

[King Baller]

Sergio:
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2006–07 67 1 12.9 .423 .282 .808 1.4 3.3 .5 .0 3.7
2007–08 72 0 8.7 .352 .293 .658 .8 1.7 .3 .0 2.5
2008–09 80 13 15.3 .392 .325 .792 1.6 3.6 .7 .0 4.5
Career 219 14 12.4 .391 .304 .759 1.3 2.9 .5 .0 3.6

Beno:
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2004–05 80 2 14.4 .444 .408 .753 1.0 1.9 .5 .1 5.9
2005–06 54 3 10.9 .455 .343 .780 1.0 1.7 .3 .0 5.1
2006–07 73 1 13.0 .369 .287 .883 1.1 1.7 .4 .0 4.7
2007–08 65 51 32.0 .463 .387 .850 3.3 4.3 .9 .2 12.8
2008–09 73 72 31.1 .461 .310 .820 3.0 4.7 1.1 .2 11.0
Career 345 129 20.4 .445 .352 .821 1.9 2.9 .6 .1 7.9

 

[Bricklayer]

Sergio:
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2006–07 67 1 12.9 .423 .282 .808 1.4 3.3 .5 .0 3.7
2007–08 72 0 8.7 .352 .293 .658 .8 1.7 .3 .0 2.5
2008–09 80 13 15.3 .392 .325 .792 1.6 3.6 .7 .0 4.5
Career 219 14 12.4 .391 .304 .759 1.3 2.9 .5 .0 3.6

Beno:
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2004–05 80 2 14.4 .444 .408 .753 1.0 1.9 .5 .1 5.9
2005–06 54 3 10.9 .455 .343 .780 1.0 1.7 .3 .0 5.1
2006–07 73 1 13.0 .369 .287 .883 1.1 1.7 .4 .0 4.7
2007–08 65 51 32.0 .463 .387 .850 3.3 4.3 .9 .2 12.8
2008–09 73 72 31.1 .461 .310 .820 3.0 4.7 1.1 .2 11.0
Career 345 129 20.4 .445 .352 .821 1.9 2.9 .6 .1 7.9

and you forgot:

Rings:
Beno 2
CPaul 0

 

[One B]

Maybe Slovenia can buy out his contract and he can go there and play.

This would be awesome, cause he could play for a great team as now he is playing for a bunch of selfish overrated players...

 

[kennadog]

This would be awesome, cause he could play for a great team as now he is playing for a bunch of selfish overrated players...

Someone on the Kings is over-rated?

 

[AriesMar27]

Someone on the Kings is over-rated?

i think he's talking about one of the members of the dance team....

 

[rainmaker]

Beno doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt by anyone, fans or front office. I'm shocked that some people are actually sticking up for this chronic-underperformer. He has had one single promising season in his nba career, and followed it up with a very dissapointing and underachieving season. He never took responsibility, and either blamed coaches or teammates for his mistakes on the court.

Kevin played through an ankle injury(more serious than most thought) all year, and never used it as an excuse. Yet, very few people ever stuck up for kevin, as he was repeatedly blasted all season long for not performing up to his standards. Yet Beno has an excuse for every mistake he makes on the court, is far less valuable to this team, and doesn't get hammered by fans nearly as much as Kevin.

 

[AriesMar27]

beno is garbage and shouldnt be starting on any nba team. he would be a nice back up but even then not by much.... the fact that he is injured doesnt concern me because we dont gain anything from him being healthy. sergio is a better pg and evans is probably a better overall player. we were the worst team in the nba with beno as our starting pg so if he isnt there i wont lose any sleep. he played 73 games last season and did nothing to help this team. had martin played in 73 games instead of 51 maybe we wouldve had a better record.

 

[VF21]

Beno doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt by anyone, fans or front office. I'm shocked that some people are actually sticking up for this chronic-underperformer.

Those "people" you're referring to are looking at Beno differently than most of us. For them, it's the name on the back of the jersey as Udrih is one of few Slovenians to make it into the NBA. So they support him with the blind loyalty that, at least to me, is perfectly understandable. The problem comes when they come to a message board where it's primarily about the name on the FRONT of the jersey. We aren't interested in the country of origin of our players - we just want whoever is wearing the jersey of the Sacramento Kings to live up to our expectations and that doesn't always happen.

I understand where One B and gvucko are coming from and respect their opinion even though I cannot possibly agree with it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Beno...has had one single promising season in his nba career, and followed it up with a very dissapointing and underachieving season.

I'm not going to defend Beno as our knight in shining armor, but I think it's funny that there's this perception that he was so good in '07-'08 and then so bad in '08-'09. He only dropped off a very small amount, and actually improved some facets of his game (per 36 numbers):

Stat 2007 2008
.FG% .464 .461
3PT% .387 .310
2PT% .482 .491
.FT% .850 .820
.Pts 14.4 12.7
Asst 4.90 5.40
Rebs 3.80 3.50
Stls 1.00 1.30
.TOs 2.60 2.50

So he actually improved in assists and steals (things a PG should do), while dropping off significantly only in 3PT%, which was probably largely responsible for his drop in scoring. Note that his 2PT% went up.

It wasn't really the numbers that changed. Beno has established pretty much exactly how good he is, and I don't see his rate stats changing terribly much from here on out. What changed was our perception of him. And our perception changed probably in large part because his salary went way up. But on the court, the two seasons were reasonably comparable.

 

[One B]

Every year Beno comes home to Slovenia he is going for varoius therapies just to make his body healthy and prepared for new season, but every injury he has got in last few years, he has got on preparation with national team, because some of our fitness coaches are doing bad job and pushing our players way to much! I know Beno`s career very well and I don`t remember he missed many matches in NBA because of the injury he has got on NBA floors. Some guys are here constantly insulting Beno! I have seen many matches Beno played in San Antonio, some of them live in AT&T center and many he played for the Kings on TV and there are many players on the Kings team who deserve to be insulted much more than Beno...
And if you allow me to write: until the Kings won`t have a superstar on PF position with great defensive skills too, you can have CP3, Steve nash or John stockton on PG, but playoffs will be still years away...

 

[Telemachus]

I'm not going to defend Beno as our knight in shining armor, but I think it's funny that there's this perception that he was so good in '07-'08 and then so bad in '08-'09. He only dropped off a very small amount, and actually improved some facets of his game (per 36 numbers):

Stat 2007 2008
.FG% .464 .461
3PT% .387 .310
2PT% .482 .491
.FT% .850 .820
.Pts 14.4 12.7
Asst 4.90 5.40
Rebs 3.80 3.50
Stls 1.00 1.30
.TOs 2.60 2.50

So he actually improved in assists and steals (things a PG should do), while dropping off significantly only in 3PT%, which was probably largely responsible for his drop in scoring. Note that his 2PT% went up.

It wasn't really the numbers that changed. Beno has established pretty much exactly how good he is, and I don't see his rate stats changing terribly much from here on out. What changed was our perception of him. And our perception changed probably in large part because his salary went way up. But on the court, the two seasons were reasonably comparable.

I think this is one of those times that helps prove the point that statistics don't always tell the whole story. When I watched Beno play in his first season with the Kings, I could see him make an impact on how the team competed in the games. That could not be said most of the time last season. He may have put up similar stats, but did it without making an impact on the game in a positive way. I am not as concerned with stats as I am with how the game is played, and it seemed like Beno just wasn't into the games much last season (almost like he was going through the motions).

 

[Jaylee209]

Hmm a Beno fan, placing all the blame on someone else (The PF). Very "beno-like".

 

[Telemachus]

And if you allow me to write: until the Kings won`t have a superstar on PF position with great defensive skills too, you can have CP3, Steve nash or John stockton on PG, but playoffs will be still years away...

Having a legitimate PG on the Kings last season may not have gotten them into the playoffs, but it very well may have doubled their win total.
There were many problems with the Kings last season that you can point to for their win/loss record, and PG play is high on the list IMO. Beno hurt them on both ends of the court last season. He did a poor job of running the offense, and his defense was pretty much non-existent.

I was one of those fans that was happy with the signing of Beno last season. I thought he was showing signs of becoming at the very least, a competent starting PG (or a very good back up). However, he was a great disappointment to me this past season, and showed that an upgrade needed to be made in a major way.

 

[VF21]

Every year Beno comes home to Slovenia he is going for varoius therapies just to make his body healthy and prepared for new season, but every injury he has got in last few years, he has got on preparation with national team, because some of our fitness coaches are doing bad job and pushing our players way to much! I know Beno`s career very well and I don`t remember he missed many matches in NBA because of the injury he has got on NBA floors. Some guys are here constantly insulting Beno! I have seen many matches Beno played in San Antonio, some of them live in AT&T center and many he played for the Kings on TV and there are many players on the Kings team who deserve to be insulted much more than Beno...
And if you allow me to write: until the Kings won`t have a superstar on PF position with great defensive skills too, you can have CP3, Steve nash or John stockton on PG, but playoffs will be still years away...

Now you're just grasping at straws. Look at some of the threads about Kevin Martin. He's arguably been the best we had on the team and he gets more insults than Beno ever thought of getting.

We - meaning the Kings - signed Beno Udrih to a pretty sweet contract. He's guaranteed that money whether he plays well or plays poorly. We - the Kings fans - would like to see him put forth a maximum focused effort to at least help us believe he's worth it.

Saying it's okay if Beno plays poorly because the rest of our team isn't that good anyway is backwards logic. You'd think he - Beno - would do his best to SHINE. He hasn't done that...

 

[fnordius]

Sergio:
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P%...

Switched to per 48 minutes so that people can figure it out more easily.

2008-9 stats...pts.......reb......asst......to.....a/to
Beno:............16.9.....4.7.......7.2.......3.3....2.16
Sergio:..........14.0.....5.1......11.2.......4.6....2.43

 

[VF21]

Switched to per 48 minutes so that people can figure it out more easily.

2008-9 stats...pts.......reb......asst......to.....a/to
Beno:............16.9.....4.7.......7.2.......3.3....2.16
Sergio:..........14.0.....5.1......11.2.......4.6....2.43

Now there's a stat I like. I think Sergio is better than his stats, just based on the few times I saw him play, and unfortunately I think Beno is worse than his stats might indicate.

 

[Sac.1989]

reke or sergio to start if benos out come preseason/season ?

You'd have to think sergio right, would be really bold to put reke in from the get go not that i wouldnt love to see it

 

[Capt. Factorial]

reke or sergio to start if benos out come preseason/season ?

You'd have to think sergio right, would be really bold to put reke in from the get go not that i wouldnt love to see it

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Evans get the start from day one if Beno is still hurt. He was the #4 overall pick in the draft, and from all accounts he was #2 on our board. We know he's going to get a lot of minutes. I think most of us would be surprised if he weren't getting more minutes than Beno on a consistent basis by midseason. And our expectations are low. So if Beno is hurt, Evans seems to really be the logical choice right now to take over.

You could have a very lively debate on this board about whether Evans should start from day one if Beno is healthy. Not that I want to have that debate, mind you. The Evans stuff and the Beno stuff separately have kind of worn themselves thin already. Hate to throw it together in one thread.

 

[AriesMar27]

hurt bad is beno's injury? i didnt think that he would be hurt for that long... with that said i would want sergio to start at pg but i dont know if his offense will be good enough to keep the starting spot if he was given it. he can run an offense and he is a good distributor but he is almost alergic to scoring points himself. unless martin picks up his scoring load and somehow jumps to 30ppg, sergio will be an offensive liability at the end of games when we need to put points on the board.

thats where tyreke will have the definite advantage over beno and sergio. he wants to score and he can do it, well he wants to do it. we dont know how well he will be able to do that against nba players. summer league doesnt count. but if thompson and hawes can find their niche it might not be as bad as last year.

 

[bajaden]

hurt bad is beno's injury? i didnt think that he would be hurt for that long... with that said i would want sergio to start at pg but i dont know if his offense will be good enough to keep the starting spot if he was given it. he can run an offense and he is a good distributor but he is almost alergic to scoring points himself. unless martin picks up his scoring load and somehow jumps to 30ppg, sergio will be an offensive liability at the end of games when we need to put points on the board.

thats where tyreke will have the definite advantage over beno and sergio. he wants to score and he can do it, well he wants to do it. we dont know how well he will be able to do that against nba players. summer league doesnt count. but if thompson and hawes can find their niche it might not be as bad as last year.

I think I detected just a wee bit of optimism... My day is made...

 

[AriesMar27]

I think I detected just a wee bit of optimism... My day is made...

hey, hey, hey... dont go around trying to use my words against me.

 

[fnordius]

with that said i would want sergio to start at pg but i dont know if his offense will be good enough to keep the starting spot if he was given it. he can run an offense and he is a good distributor but he is almost alergic to scoring points himself. unless martin picks up his scoring load and somehow jumps to 30ppg, sergio will be an offensive liability at the end of games when we need to put points on the board.

He's only a couple of points per 48 minutes below Beno. I really don't see that as a problem, particularly when he makes about 60% more assists than Beno. He's enough of a threat to spread the floor a little, which is all that really matters. As long as someone in purple is making points, I don't care who it is.

 

[AriesMar27]

He's only a couple of points per 48 minutes below Beno. I really don't see that as a problem, particularly when he makes about 60% more assists than Beno. He's enough of a threat to spread the floor a little, which is all that really matters. As long as someone in purple is making points, I don't care who it is.

true but beno is a back up and a horrible starting pg... whats his per 46 min against the rest of the starting pg's in the nba? if the rest of the starting 5's ppg go up by 2 points then okay.... it wont make much of a difference. but when compared to other pgs he just isnt much of a scorer. i hope that he worked on his 3pt shooting because he will be open and they will dare him to shoot. teams know that he wants to pass the ball.

 

[gvucko]

I think that a comeback to European basketball was beneficial for Beno. He was training with one of the best European NT team and hopefully he felt as a winner for just a while.

Sergio and Reke (especially) should motivate Beno to play as well for the Kings as he had for the NT. If he earns his minutes than fine if not I hope he will be traded asap. I do think he can be a valuable backup for a contender.

Anyways I hope that Hayes and JT had a productive summer and that Martin ankles will be okay for the next season. 30-35 wins should be achievable.

Go Kings!

 

[drboiffard]

I think Sergio's stats will improve.

You have to consider that Sergio was playing in Portland very irregularly, altough he was the backup PG he was almost used to allow Blake breathe, being sitted down without reason: in a lot of games he played very little minutes a lot of times, so he never got hot in the court.

But the main point is Sergio's style of play. He's very low-average PG in a conservative way of playing, as Portland was. Sergio's defense has to improve a lot and he's not a very good option in outside shoot. But in a more running system he's almost lethal. And I think this team will run a lot, so his #assists will be much higher.

 

[DocHolliday]

No.

Beno's a pretty good player when he's making the effort. He doesn't always make the effort, but the ability is there. He has some good NBA years left in him if he wants to, he's NOT beyond redemption.

Kenny Thomas will retire from the NBA without having made the effort to learn to consistently hit a layup from 7 feet, but if he had, he'd still be a 6'5" (barefoot), 32 year old PF. At his best, he was a tweener, but that was a long time ago, and now you can stick a fork in him. Time for him to go open a sports bar across the street from UNM, or something like that.

Kenny Thomas is a pretty good player when he puts forth the effort to. That's why

Beno Udrih = Kenny Thomas

2 weak minded people.

 

[Kingster]

I think Sergio's stats will improve.

You have to consider that Sergio was playing in Portland very irregularly, altough he was the backup PG he was almost used to allow Blake breathe, being sitted down without reason: in a lot of games he played very little minutes a lot of times, so he never got hot in the court.

But the main point is Sergio's style of play. He's very low-average PG in a conservative way of playing, as Portland was. Sergio's defense has to improve a lot and he's not a very good option in outside shoot. But in a more running system he's almost lethal. And I think this team will run a lot, so his #assists will be much higher.

How does Sergio's defense compare to Beno's?

 

[Telemachus]

How does Sergio's defense compare to Beno's?

I would say that it couldn't be any worse, but then I remember Bibby and J-Will.